The divide of the Dallas Cowboy's fandom

[boysfanindc]

@Idgit, to highlight your point about concern vs. disrespect, @boysfanindc and myself had a nice little debate about Dez in the "phone" thread where he made wonderful points, many of which I couldn't defend, but was still able to engage with him.

Others were outrile vile (big shocker!), on the other hand, and led me to be adversarial, which I hate to be.

Your up early, always willing to have a civil debate with fellow Boys fans who love their team. Sometimes I even learn something or am forced to look at a different perspective then mine, which often times is enlightening and is why I come to this great site..

Most issues are gray in some way, but not just on this board but in the world around you a lot people view the world in a all black/white or all good/bad perspective.

Most thing are not that way, this franchise has so under performed over the last decade (I think there is a whole generation of boys fans that have never felt the greatness that was once this team) that has caused a lot of frustration in the fan base and rightly so.

People tend to deal with that frustration in one of 2 ways, the first group feels like the current regime has caused this to happen, by the things that they do and the decisions they make and want things to change drastically.

I think the second group looks at incremental changes/positives and have hope/belief that eventually it will be enough to get this team back to where it belongs.

I tend to find myself in the middle of those 2 groups, I want to believe but I still think there are fundamental issues in the way this team is run.

I think they have done some things better, but I think we still have a long way to go.

I hope I am wrong.

 

[Idgit]

@Idgit, to highlight your point about concern vs. disrespect, @boysfanindc and myself had a nice little debate about Dez in the "phone" thread where he made wonderful points, many of which I couldn't defend, but was still able to engage with him.

Others were outrile vile (big shocker!), on the other hand, and led me to be adversarial, which I hate to be.

Yep. Boysfan knows what time it is, for sure.

I don't like the divide myself, but I have a hard time with the disrespect. I always wonder how anybody could play on a team at any level and not appreciate how hard it has to compete as an NFL athlete. Playing on fracture legs and with broken ribs and punctured lungs, are you kidding me? Trying to get back on the field before a trainer can stop you because you've broken bone?

Then thinking the disrespect is justified because the players probably don't see it, or because you paid for a ticket a couple times to see a game you wanted to go to. There's a divide between my attitude and theirs all right. Thank God.

 

[Trouty]

Your up early, always willing to have a civil debate with fellow Boys fans who love their team. Sometimes I even learn something or am forced to look at a different perspective then mine, which often times is enlightening.

Most issues are gray in some way, but not just on this board but in the world around you a lot people view the world in a all black/white or all good/bad perspective.

Most thing are not that way, this franchise has so under performed over the last decade (I think there is a whole generation of boys fans that have never felt the greatness that was once this team) that has caused a lot of frustration in the fan base and rightly so.

People tend to deal with that frustration in one of 2 ways, the first group feels like the current regime has caused this to happen, by the things that they do and the decisions they make and want things to change drastically.

I think the second group looks at incremental changes/positives and have hope/belief that eventually it will be enough to get this team back to where it belongs.

I tend to find myself in the middle of those 2 groups, I want to believe but I still think there are fundamental issues in the way this team is run.

I think they have done some things better, but I think we still have a long way to go.

I hope I am wrong.

I absolutely find myself in that middle group you put yourself in -- self-aware (of the organizational failures) yet cautiously optimistic -- does this sound about right for this middle group (a more truncated version of your apt description)?

And yes, always up early.

 

[Trouty]

Yep. Boysfan knows what time it is, for sure.

I don't like the divide myself, but I have a hard time with the disrespect. I always wonder how anybody could play on a team at any level and not appreciate how hard it has to compete as an NFL athlete. Playing on fracture legs and with broken ribs and punctured lungs, are you kidding me? Trying to get back on the field before a trainer can stop you because you've broken bone?

Then thinking the disrespect is justified because the players probably don't see it, or because you paid for a ticket a couple times to see a game you wanted to go to. There's a divide between my attitude and theirs all right. Thank God.

Absolutely, Idgit. I know how ardent of a Garrett supporter you are and it pains me to see some of the debates you have to have (this coming from a non-Garrett supporter). If anyone has faced the "butt end" (emphasis on butt) of this fanbase, it is you good sir, with the hard stances you have on JG.

 

[boysfanindc]

I absolutely find myself in that middle group you put yourself in -- self-aware (of the organizational failures) yet cautiously optimistic -- does this sound about right for this middle group (a more truncated version of your apt description)?

And yes, always up early.

It absolutely does, my heart and brain often times conflict with this team.

 

[Trouty]

To everyone who ventures in here, I have a picture of myself with my son posted in the Member Zone (shameless plug)

 

[Diehardblues]

Your up early, always willing to have a civil debate with fellow Boys fans who love their team. Sometimes I even learn something or am forced to look at a different perspective then mine, which often times is enlightening.

Most issues are gray in some way, but not just on this board but in the world around you a lot people view the world in a all black/white or all good/bad perspective.

Most thing are not that way, this franchise has so under performed over the last decade (I think there is a whole generation of boys fans that have never felt the greatness that was once this team) that has caused a lot of frustration in the fan base and rightly so.

People tend to deal with that frustration in one of 2 ways, the first group feels like the current regime has caused this to happen, by the things that they do and the decisions they make and want things to change drastically.

I think the second group looks at incremental changes/positives and have hope/belief that eventually it will be enough to get this team back to where it belongs.

I tend to find myself in the middle of those 2 groups, I want to believe but I still think there are fundamental issues in the way this team is run.

I think they have done some things better, but I think we still have a long way to go.

I hope I am wrong.

That's a great perspective . There is a fundamental flaw with how this team is run which begins with Jerry.

Thus has been a disappointing and frustrating era. We now have a generation which has grown up never seeing the Cowboys even play for a championship. Hard to imagine from a diehard who saw us play for about 10 championships by the time I was out of college.

As fans we always need hope . I've travelled to many visiting venues like in Detroit and New Orleans where they have had much longer droughts. Cowboys history is part of the culprit. Our expectations are high as a result . Saint fans had to wait 43 years . Lions fans have still never sniffed a Super Bowl.

There are some signs we are headed in a better direction like with our 1st Round picks but there's also some of the same mistakes we're seeing like with our 2nd round risk which have been more of our symptoms than solutions .

In the end more talent is the best solution.its the only thing than can overcome any lack we might have in front office and coaching . And a little luck wouldn't hurt like hitting big on a 4th round pick .But there's plenty cause for hope for the future and criticism for recent and current era.

 

[boysfanindc]

That's a great perspective . There is a fundamental flaw with how this team is run which begins with Jerry.

Thus has been a disappointing and frustrating era. We now have a generation which has grown up never seeing the Cowboys even play for a championship. Hard to imagine from a diehard who saw us play for about 10 championships by the time I was out of college.

As fans we always need hope . I've travelled to many visiting venues like in Detroit and New Orleans where they have had much longer droughts. Cowboys history is part of the culprit. Our expectations are high as a result . Saint fans had to wait 43 years . Lions fans have still never sniffed a Super Bowl.

There are some signs we are headed in a better direction like with our 1st Round picks but there's also some of the same mistakes we're seeing like with our 2nd round risk which have been more of our symptoms than solutions .

In the end more talent is the best solution.its the only thing than can overcome any lack we might have in front office and coaching . And a little luck wouldn't hurt like hitting big on a 4th round pick .But there's plenty cause for hope for the future and criticism for recent and current era.

Said very well, Bravo!

 

[Trouty]

That's a great perspective . There is a fundamental flaw with how this team is run which begins with Jerry.

Thus has been a disappointing and frustrating era. We now have a generation which has grown up never seeing the Cowboys even play for a championship. Hard to imagine from a diehard who saw us play for about 10 championships by the time I was out of college.

As fans we always need hope . I've travelled to many visiting venues like in Detroit and New Orleans where they have had much longer droughts. Cowboys history is part of the culprit. Our expectations are high as a result . Saint fans had to wait 43 years . Lions fans have still never sniffed a Super Bowl.

There are some signs we are headed in a better direction like with our 1st Round picks but there's also some of the same mistakes we're seeing like with our 2nd round risk which have been more of our symptoms than solutions .

In the end more talent is the best solution.its the only thing than can overcome any lack we might have in front office and coaching . And a little luck wouldn't hurt like hitting big on a 4th round pick .But there's plenty cause for hope for the future and criticism for recent and current era.

Incredibly well put, Blues. You're bringing it this AM!

 

[DragonCowboy]

Great post, I have followed the Cowboys for years but didn't become a fan until recently. I have always viewed Tony Romo as one of the worst QBs the NFL has ever seen. I know a lot of his fans like to point to his stats and QB ratings, but he never wins when it matters. He has been given more talent to work with than just about any QB in recent memory and he still pulls the team down.

Dez is extremely talented. I'll agree 100% with you on that one. However, he is extremely inconsistent... too inconsistent for a "franchise player."

I'll tell you why fans are upset. Many of these new fans haven't seen good QB play since Troy Aikman... If some can even remember that far back. Now they see greatness again... And people are furious as to what this team/management has put on the field for the last 2 decades. They are sick of it and want change NOW, they want to win NOW.

Players like Dez and Romo could be cut and the Cowboys could get an entire new GOOD defense to compete for it all for what these two are paid. Such a complete waste and drag on this franchise. Again, true fans are sick of it.

Your post is ridiculous to the point that I don't believe that you even mean any of this. Romo is one of the worst QBs the NFL has ever seen? Many of these new fans haven't seen good QB play since Troy Aikman...now they see greatness again?

Dak has been great, but at this point it's likely Romo gives us the best chance to win. Dak is the future, but I wouldn't say Romo is done yet.

Don't tell us what "true fans" are supposed to think.

 

[Trouty]

Your post is ridiculous to the point that I don't believe that you even mean any of this. Romo is one of the worst QBs the NFL has ever seen? Many of these new fans haven't seen good QB play since Troy Aikman...now they see greatness again?

Dak has been great, but at this point it's likely Romo gives us the best chance to win. Dak is the future, but I wouldn't say Romo is done yet.

Don't tell us what "true fans" are supposed to think.

He wasn't even worth a reply, with all the contradictions and obvious bating in his post. He's another KJJ.

 

[Diehardblues]

Your post is ridiculous to the point that I don't believe that you even mean any of this. Romo is one of the worst QBs the NFL has ever seen? Many of these new fans haven't seen good QB play since Troy Aikman...now they see greatness again?

Dak has been great, but at this point it's likely Romo gives us the best chance to win. Dak is the future, but I wouldn't say Romo is done yet.

Don't tell us what "true fans" are supposed to think.

Anyone who thinks Romo is worst QB the NFL has ever seen doesn't deserve a response . Obvious trolling or he hasnt seen the rest of the NFL QB's.

 

[Ranching]

True fans are not divided. We may not agree on everything, but we still support the team, players, coaches and organization. Everyone has their opinions and we are entitled to them, but at the end of the day we are are still fans. Have a great weekend and Go Cowboys!

 

[Trouty]

True fans are not divided. We may not agree on everything, but we still support the team, players, coaches and organization. Everyone has their opinions and we are entitled to them, but at the end of the day we are are still fans. Have a great weekend and Go Cowboys!

Have a great weekend, Ranching.

 

[plasticman]

This is an extremely misleading statement. The Cowboys have not had a top ten defense in points allowed for three consecutive years since 1994-96. There have never been even two consecutive seasons with the defense ranked higher than 20th and Romo playing any significant time. Those top 10's you're referring to were in total yards, which is a metric with no correlation to wins in the NFL.

You were corrected on this point before, but you must have missed it.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/older-parcells-video-on-romo.355830/page-6#post-6802730

The traditional way in which the defense is measured uses yards as the metric. Yes, I agree that points measure victory and defeat. However, yardage is a more fair method of measuring productivity, or the results of descreasing the productivity of the opponent.

Why? Because points are influenced by beginning field position. For example, Would it be fair for the defense to be evaluated by points if there are a dozen opponent drives that season that begin on the Cowboys 30 yardline as a result of turnovers?

In 2008 there were 9 such drives much higher than the NFL average.

Puting.ir a different way, from 2006 to 2009, the Cowboys were in the top ten point differential 3 times.

Even if they were at 16, it would be sufficient enough to say they didnt suck which was a common accusation when claiming that Tony Romo had no help.

In any case, three teams in the past ten years have won Super Bowls with defenses ranked 20 or lower in defense based on points.

 

[dallasdave]

He wasn't even worth a reply, with all the contradictions and obvious bating in his post. He's another KJJ.

Give him a special bow too !!!

 

[Trouty]

Give him a special bow too !!!

Lmao!!!!

 

[Trouty]

Posting just to get off of a 666 post count. Kindly ignore this lol!

 

[Diehardblues]

True fans are not divided. We may not agree on everything, but we still support the team, players, coaches and organization. Everyone has their opinions and we are entitled to them, but at the end of the day we are are still fans. Have a great weekend and Go Cowboys!

I think thats what he meant by divided. We may not agree on all causes, directions, effects and solutions but once those cleats hit the grid iron we're all pulling for victory.

 

[dallasdave]

Posting just to get off of a 666 post count. Kindly ignore this lol!

The devil made you do it