The divide of the Dallas Cowboy's fandom

[Trouty]

Really, it comes down to fans just want to win. What I have seen is that most fans who hate players and attack them constantly will be happy to be proven wrong in the long term, but it will take more than a few games to change their mind.

There were many Romo haters among Cowboys fans early in his career who have since changed their minds completely. On draft day, I remember being one of the few who said drafting Dak Prescott was a smart move and now there is thread after thread of great things being said about him.

It's just the nature of being a fan. We attach ourselves to the successes and failures of the team on various emotional levels and when things go wrong, we all want it fixed RIGHT NOW, not next year.

In the end, we are all here because we are Cowboys fans. We watch Cowboys games even in 4-12 seasons because we are Cowboys fans. We read article after article and tweet after tweet and watch video after video and listen to interview after to interview because we are Cowboys fans. When we debate among ourselves and when everything else goes wrong, we are Cowboys fans.

We just need one thing to be happy .. one simple thing .. we just need the Cowboys to WIN!

I agree Reaity. I hit on a few of your points (more indirectly) throughout this thread. Well said!

 

[Redball Express]

Never teammates.

No..but he and Hogaboom were and they gave way to Aikman.

Thanx for reminding me

 

[Proof]

I think that's the point though. Seems like there's more agenda driven need to be right attitudes then I can recall. Not on this board since I'm pretty new, but in general. It's not just celebrating wins it's with caveats and justifications. Not just upset about losses but see I told you so's.

Just a really strange dynamic. And that's not even mentioning a certain undercurrent that's easily identified in a lot of recent Dez hate.

One other thing, for those lamenting Dez contract we can't even be certain Jerry would have put the money to good use. Lol let Demarco walk and gave his money to Tyrone Crawford? Never know. I'm a fan of the bird in hand.

Lots to be optimistic about though moving forward

 

[Ender]

If Dez doesnt put up 100+ and a TD every game, some fans thinks hes terrible, because apparently, the best wide outs put up 100+ and a TD every game, every season.

 

[Joe Realist]

Dak has almost (give it a few more weeks) possibly made Romo expendable. Dez has always been a shiny toy. You don't need highest paid WRs to win, yet since he is here for awhile, the least he could do is stop acting immature. He is a veteran, not a first or second year player.

 

[Trouty]

Dak has almost (give it a few more weeks) possibly made Romo expendable. Dez has always been a shiny toy. You don't need highest paid WRs to win, yet since he is here for awhile, the least he could do is stop acting immature. He is a veteran, not a first or second year player.

Well, Joe, there's a nice <cough> 7 (edit, 8) page thread dedicated to Dez's immaturity, I think you're needed there, big fella. Go get em, tiger

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I think that's the point though. Seems like there's more agenda driven need to be right attitudes then I can recall. Not on this board since I'm pretty new, but in general. It's not just celebrating wins it's with caveats and justifications. Not just upset about losses but see I told you so's.

Just a really strange dynamic. And that's not even mentioning a certain undercurrent that's easily identified in a lot of recent Dez hate.

One other thing, for those lamenting Dez contract we can't even be certain Jerry would have put the money to good use. Lol let Demarco walk and gave his money to Tyrone Crawford? Never know. I'm a fan of the bird in hand.

Lots to be optimistic about though moving forward

Thing is that the Cowboys are huge. They're bound to take on lots of riff raff in their wake because the boat is close to big enough to fit all the other fanbases combined.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Dak has almost (give it a few more weeks) possibly made Romo expendable. Dez has always been a shiny toy. You don't need highest paid WRs to win, yet since he is here for awhile, the least he could do is stop acting immature. He is a veteran, not a first or second year player.

Man Eagles fans had the biggest bowl of schadenfreude ready after Dak's preseason and he scooped it all right on their heads. Got to suck to know that your big brother got the same car you did for 1/10th of the price.

 

[Alexander]

I made this thread because now, more than at any other point that I've been a member here (a whopping 3 years), I've never seen this place this divided on their takes.

You should have been around during the Carter/Hutch wars, pup.

This is nothing.

The plus is that it is a good debate to have. Those that are turning it otherwise just do not have perspective.

I think it's a unique time to be a Cowboy fan here at the Zone, with the unexpected emergence of Dak, coupled with the hype associated with the highest draft pick we've had in years, plus Tony plus Dez plus mediocrity, it's led to this perfect storm of sorts where everyone is scrambling, trying to find firm ground and figure out what the hell is going on.

Almost every debate is divided. It's interesting, more than anything really.

I don't see it as unique.

More on the same, actually.

A lot of unjustified expectations due to the hype every year.

The Prescott issue has thrown a little monkey into the wrench.

Speaking personally, he has really showing he can play and I underestimated him.

I still have caution, but my inner homer is ready to erupt. I may have been wr--wron--royal blue.

As far as Romo goes, I feel the same way I did with Danny White.

I hated him when he messed up. And he did it a lot, to the point you forgot the good.

I think it is sad, but honestly, his career might end like his in terms of legacy.

 

[Alexander]

Man Eagles fans had the biggest bowl of schadenfreude ready after Dak's preseason and he scooped it all right on their heads. Got to suck to know that your big brother got the same car you did for 1/10th of the price.

I think they are basking in the glow of having their franchise guy. I doubt they care about how Dallas might have got a good QB cheaper.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You should have been around during the Carter/Hutch wars, pup.

This is nothing.

The plus is that it is a good debate to have. Those that are turning it otherwise just do not have perspective.



I don't see it as unique.

More on the same, actually.

A lot of unjustified expectations due to the hype every year.

The Prescott issue has thrown a little monkey into the wrench.

Speaking personally, he has really showing he can play and I underestimated him.

I still have caution, but my inner homer is ready to erupt. I may have been wr--wron--royal blue.

As far as Romo goes, I feel the same way I did with Danny White.

I hated him when he messed up. And he did it a lot, to the point you forgot the good.

I think it is sad, but honestly, his career might end like his in terms of legacy.

Danny "messed up" like crazy, all the way to the end. Can anyone even remember the last time Tony legitimately messed up? It's still pretty much 4 years ago isn't it?

 

[big dog cowboy]

You should have been around during the Carter/Hutch wars, pup.

Some of us thought Henson was the answer. Yikes.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I'm a resident of Los Angeles. At the time when I started following the Kings, the Stars were one of our biggest rivals, and always whooped us (Modano and Hatcher, in particular)

Where in LA Trouty? Valencia here

 

[Alexander]

Danny "messed up" like crazy, all the way to the end. Can anyone even remember the last time Tony legitimately messed up? It's still pretty much 4 years ago isn't it?

So because his career arc is different matters?

At the end of the day, scoreboard.

I actually give Romo more credit than he deserves from a stat compiling perspective.

 

[Trouty]

Where in LA Trouty? Valencia here

North Hollywood, not too, too far away

 

[Trouty]

You should have been around during the Carter/Hutch wars, pup.

This is nothing.

The plus is that it is a good debate to have. Those that are turning it otherwise just do not have perspective.



I don't see it as unique.

More on the same, actually.

A lot of unjustified expectations due to the hype every year.

The Prescott issue has thrown a little monkey into the wrench.

Speaking personally, he has really showing he can play and I underestimated him.

I still have caution, but my inner homer is ready to erupt. I may have been wr--wron--royal blue.

As far as Romo goes, I feel the same way I did with Danny White.

I hated him when he messed up. And he did it a lot, to the point you forgot the good.

I think it is sad, but honestly, his career might end like his in terms of legacy.

The debates on this board are first class, despite my adversarial nature lately. Great post, Alexander (minus the Romo part )

 

[scottsp]

I have often found myself defending guys like Tony Romo, to co-workers in particular. Not sure how it happened, but it seems our office here in Downtown Dallas has more Steeler fans than I can count.

And I am sure many here can relate: Pittsburgh fans love to talk about how Big Ben can make plays when it REALLY COUNTS whereas our poor quarterback chokes when it matters most. Never mind that Roethlisberger's two second-half interceptions in a playoff win were mitigated by a Polamalu pick six. But yeah, I go to bat for our big guns when the discussion goes "outside family confines."

That being said, I will sound off on any player, top of the roster, marginal, JAG, you name it - inside our circle, if you catch my meaning. I do try to be fair to the players and the club, though sometimes my emotions can get the best of me. But I do my best to be fair about it.

As some have mentioned, and I would agree, it's a lot easier to hand out attaboys when you're making playoff runs on a regular basis. Success seems to cover all kinds of stink we would otherwise be quick to point out. `

 

[Clove]

My stance on Romo has never changed over the years, I just choose not to display them anymore. My only goal in life as a Cowboys fan is to win. If Dez isn't helping, move along. If Zeke isn't helping, move along. If Dak isn't helping, move along. If Witten isn't helping, move along. I really don't have a love fest with any player, although I choose to defend certain players but not till death.

When we start winning again around here, we will all be best friends.

 

[Gabe]

In the recent past, certain players/personnel have drawn a predominant amount of disdain from our fanbase -- Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett (especially the last two years), Nick Hayden, JJ Wilcox, Carr (depending on the day), even Greg Hardy.

Then, there were the fringe guys that towed the line of love and hate, depending on the particular fan -- guys like TWill, McFadden, Mo, Doug Free.

Now it's spilled over to fan favorites, guys that have done all they can to help the organization, and were at one point or another almost universally loved, two players specifically -- Tony Romo and Dez Bryant.

While Romo has always had his detractors for various reasons, most fans knew this guy was our backbone and always presented us a chance to win. The sole reason why we were even remotely relevant, and a cover up of a mediocre coaching staff and front office. At the same time, Dez was the guy that was the conduit for Tony and the endzone. Our guy we could count on to grab that ball in traffic and bring it down for 6.

Now, after a series of injuries to both players, the fandom is out and very vocal in their disapproval for our two Big Name, fan favorite players.

It's almost sad to see these two guys go down this path. Is this what happens as players age, as they go through various injuries. Is this a byproduct of a team that has toiled in mediocrity for over two decades, spilling out now into our assessment of our very best.

Perhaps it's because we have two new rooks, with sky-high potential on offense in Zeke and Dak, and they are simply pushing the older stars out the door.

Injuries happen, and, especially in the case of Dez, we should excercise patience, yet we aren't. With Tony, it's a bit more problematic, as his growing amount of injuries make it hard to defend him against his now growing amount of detractors (yet, I still try).

I get it, it's sports -- and perhaps that very simplistic statement answers my own question. Yet, I want to reflect with a post, how sad it is to see things going down the way they are. Especially since I'm new to a large fanbase that can hear my rant.

Great post, I have followed the Cowboys for years but didn't become a fan until recently. I have always viewed Tony Romo as one of the worst QBs the NFL has ever seen. I know a lot of his fans like to point to his stats and QB ratings, but he never wins when it matters. He has been given more talent to work with than just about any QB in recent memory and he still pulls the team down.

Dez is extremely talented. I'll agree 100% with you on that one. However, he is extremely inconsistent... too inconsistent for a "franchise player."

I'll tell you why fans are upset. Many of these new fans haven't seen good QB play since Troy Aikman... If some can even remember that far back. Now they see greatness again... And people are furious as to what this team/management has put on the field for the last 2 decades. They are sick of it and want change NOW, they want to win NOW.

Players like Dez and Romo could be cut and the Cowboys could get an entire new GOOD defense to compete for it all for what these two are paid. Such a complete waste and drag on this franchise. Again, true fans are sick of it.

 

[Sarek]

My stance on Romo has never changed over the years, I just choose not to display them anymore. My only goal in life as a Cowboys fan is to win. If Dez isn't helping, move along. If Zeke isn't helping, move along. If Dak isn't helping, move along. If Witten isn't helping, move along. I really don't have a love fest with any player, although I choose to defend certain players but not till death.

When we start winning again around here, we will all be best friends.

All worthy players deserve proper time to develop but, i am not sure i ever read a more honest post about the Cowboys fan base state of mind. It shouldn't be about the player, it should be about winning. What good are players if you cant be some sort of dynasty/elite program or culture. Wins first players second.