The draft may be the only option (backup QB)

[pugilist]

i'm cool with drafting a QB, just not in the 1st round and definitely not with the 4th. Not really even a fan of doing it in the 2nd..

 

[jnday]

I still think that we can go backup QB in the later rounds in the draft. That doesn't mean that I don't want Wentz or Goff at 4. Just sayin'.

If you look at the percentages of later round QBs that ever make a rooster and contribute, it is a one in ten thousand chance it will work out. It would be a wasted draft pick .

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

If you look at the percentages of later round QBs that ever make a rooster and contribute, it is a one in ten thousand chance it will work out. It would be a wasted draft pick .

And in Drafts with Premier QBs like Luck, Newton, even Winston and Moriota these 2016 guys would fall out of the top 20.

Fanz need to face the FACTz that Wentz, Lynch and Goff aren't Franchise coming out. NONE are this Draft, they all rank equal at best or even lesser regarded by some than the Lockerz, Gabbertz, Tannihillz, Manzielz, EJ Manuelz and RGKNEEz were regarded on their individual Draft Daze.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/QB-1980-now.htm

They may have a higher ceiling but so may Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg and many others who can be had in the 2nd day and forward into the mid-later rounds.

 

[robjay04]

And in Drafts with Premier QBs like Luck, Newton, even Winston and Moriota these 2016 guys would fall out of the top 20.

Fanz need to face the FACTz that Wentz, Lynch and Goff aren't Franchise coming out. NONE are this Draft, they all rank equal at best or even lesser regarded by some than the Lockerz, Gabbertz, Tannihillz, Manzielz, EJ Manuelz and RGKNEEz were regarded on their individual Draft Daze.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/QB-1980-now.htm

They may have a higher ceiling but so may Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg and many others who can be had in the 2nd day and forward into the mid-later rounds.

This is solely your opinion. I have seen some pundits rank Wentz as the next big thing.

The fact you say "they all rank" shows you don't look at a lot of sources.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Don't believe all the talking heads say we will not pursue Manziel.

I am convinced we will sign him immediately when he is cut.

You watch.

Remember I said this.

Be careful what you ask for.

 

[Rockport]

Don't believe all the talking heads say we will not pursue Manziel.

I am convinced we will sign him immediately when he is cut.

We just have to continue with the pretense we will not want him so we don't make the Browns think they can get a trade for him out of us.

Additionally we can't talk about it as he is still with the Browns.

We also want other teams to think we are looking at QB to boost teams who may want to trade with us to move up.

You watch.

Remember I said this.

Well he probably is going to be suspended for a long time this year. Who knows if he will even be eligible to play.

 

[Alexander]

Please keep your insults inside your mouth.

Fitzgerald is no icon. He is just a guy that wants a paycheck.

If it comes from NY or DAL he doesn't care.

Do you even know how he is viewed by the Jets organization?

They want him back. Have stated it clearly and also have made it clear that Geno Smith is their backup.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-je...ls-good-about-ryan-fitzpatrick-contract-talks

But alas, he is no icon. And just wants a paycheck.

Glad you have it all figured out.

 

[Stash]

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but I think the back-up QB position is Moore's to lose whether we draft someone or not. He's a smart kid with a good enough arm who proved he could lead the offense when given the keys. He needs to cut the mistakes a little bit and he'll never be an elite guy, but I think he's built a comfort level in the staff.

Where exactly did he "lead the offense" to? To two-plus turnovers every game? To three straight losses? People want to bring up the fact that he threw for a bunch of yards against Washington and want to leave out that he turned the ball over multiple times and Dallas was down big before he started to do anything, once Washington went to a prevent defense with a bunch of backups.

Kellen Moore can come back and compete for a roster spot, but I don't see where he's entitled to anything more than that.

 

[Stash]

Please keep your insults inside your mouth.

Fitzgerald is no icon. He is just a guy that wants a paycheck.

If it comes from NY or DAL he doesn't care.

Nobody jumps from being a starter to being a backup.

 

[Stash]

There are more than 12 QBs with the potential to be better than Cold McCoy this year, available in the Draft.

Any other baseless, unsubstantiated, unsupported garbage you'd like to spew? You seem to be on a roll.

 

[conner01]

This is where I disagree---If we spend a four on a QB, I want him active on game day with a clipboard ready to go. A veteran backup is pointless in my mind because if Romo misses significant time, unless that veteran is absolutely lighting it up and winning nearly every game, the fans and media will be begging to see the rookie.

Statistically, Weeden wasn't half bad...We lose 3 games and everyone thinks Matt freaking Cassell is the savior. Imagine how we would've reacted if our future franchise QB is back there.

I guess that's the difference between those who think players like romo who had a chance to develope before they were thrown into the fire benefitted from that and those who think players should start day one and sink or swim

 

[texbumthelife]

Where exactly did he "lead the offense" to? To two-plus turnovers every game? To three straight losses? People want to bring up the fact that he threw for a bunch of yards against Washington and want to leave out that he turned the ball over multiple times and Dallas was down big before he started to do anything, once Washington went to a prevent defense with a bunch of backups.

Kellen Moore can come back and compete for a roster spot, but I don't see where he's entitled to anything more than that.

I don't see where I left that out at all. In fact, I specifically said he needed to cut the mistakes.

 

[Stash]

I don't see where I left that out at all. In fact, I specifically said he needed to cut the mistakes.

Sorry, but I see 'cut the mistakes' as a bit of sugar-coating when it comes to a guy turning the ball over more than two times every game.

And again, where exactly did he "lead the offense"?

Just because he wasn't the train wreck that Matt Cassel was doesn't mean he was good.

http://www.nfl.com/player/kellenmoore/2532917/profile

Two games under 200 yards passing. Completing less than 60% of his passes, and a 4-6 TD-INT ratio. Anyone who thinks that this team can't do better than that is kidding themselves.

 

[Direwolf63]

I believe that having a Goff/Wentz or maybe even a Lynch as a backup QB is just as good as the vast majority of NFL backups out there. There are not that many NFL backups I would take over these 3 guys. Including Kellen Moore.

 

[fortdick]

I do think he may very well resign with Washington, if that case...the draft is not only the best option but the only option.

resign

I always see this and think he is retiring or something. It just loses its meaning in print.

"He was going to resign with the team, but he resigned instead."

 

[texbumthelife]

Sorry, but I see 'cut the mistakes' as a bit of sugar-coating when it comes to a guy turning the ball over more than two times every game.

And again, where exactly did he "lead the offense"?

Just because he wasn't the train wreck that Matt Cassel was doesn't mean he was good.

http://www.nfl.com/player/kellenmoore/2532917/profile

Two games under 200 yards passing. Completing less than 60% of his passes, and a 4-6 TD-INT ratio. Anyone who thinks that this team can't do better than that is kidding themselves.

I do more than look at stats. I watch the games. He scans the field and does an adequate job reading the defense. He showed he can make all the throws, which was the biggest question. He will lock on to receivers, but that's something more familiarity and experience in the offense helps. The team responds to him and he shows good command of the huddle. His timing wasn't great, but it showed improvement with each game.

Particularly given these were his first live action NFL snaps, I thought it was important to go back, watch the All-22 and dig deeper.

The kid is never going to be a Pro-Bowler, but as a back-up and placeholder behind Romo as a rookie learns, I am comfortable.

Also, just because I said I think the kid earned a shot, in no way means I don't think there might be someone who could perform better. I think Hitchens earned a shot in the middle, but I would definitely take Kuechly...

I haven't seen you mention any names. Who's your super-star, mistake free back-up?

 

[texbumthelife]

resign

I always see this and think he is retiring or something. It just loses its meaning in print.

"He was going to resign with the team, but he resigned instead."

Resign from vs. Resign with

In the case of players, however, it would be retire, so no reason to be confused there

 

[robjay04]

I guess that's the difference between those who think players like romo who had a chance to develope before they were thrown into the fire benefitted from that and those who think players should start day one and sink or swim

While that may be true in regards to Romo but you don't expect a number 4 pick to be as much of a project as an undrafted free agent. Some high draft picks benefit from that early playing time. Blake Bortles and Derek Carr both saw a huge leap between year 1 and 2, you could contribute that to playing.

 

[Stash]

I do more than look at stats. I watch the games. He scans the field and does an adequate job reading the defense. He showed he can make all the throws, which was the biggest question. He will lock on to receivers, but that's something more familiarity and experience in the offense helps. The team responds to him and he shows good command of the huddle. His timing wasn't great, but it showed improvement with each game.

How exactly did the team respond to him? By making plays in a Washington game that was already decided in garbage time?

He was better than the incompetence we were getting before, and that's why some fans' opinions are skewed as a result. But he wasn't good either.

Particularly given these were his first live action NFL snaps, I thought it was important to go back, watch the All-22 and dig deeper.

The kid is never going to be a Pro-Bowler, but as a back-up and placeholder behind Romo as a rookie learns, I am comfortable.

Yeah, I'm not. And I hope that this team isn't either. They can certainly do better.

Also, just because I said I think the kid earned a shot, in no way means I don't think there might be someone who could perform better. I haven't seen you mention any names. Who's your super-star, mistake free back-up?

Colt McCoy. Feel free to try to cut him down and pick him apart.

 

[texbumthelife]

How exactly did the team respond to him? By making plays in a Washington game that was already decided in garbage time?

He was better than the incompetence we were getting before, and that's why some fans' opinions are skewed as a result. But he wasn't good either.

Yeah, I'm not. And I hope that this team isn't either. They can certainly do better.

Colt McCoy. Feel free to try to cut him down and pick him apart.

I know I am wasting my time responding to someone when they tell me why I am posting what I am posting... My view isn't skewed. I actually watched the All-22. Did you?

In Colt McCoy's first 8 games, he threw 9 picks to 6 touchdowns and averaged *gasp* under 200 yards passing/game. Are those the very same sort of stats you're using to discredit Moore? All you've done, in fact, is completely discredit yourself.

In Moore's first three games, he's thrown for 6 picks to 4 touchdowns and averaged 259.7 yards a game.

Lets look at each of their first three NFL games, really the only informed, educated comparison we can make without getting into film.

Colt McCoy's first three games: 46/68 for 529 yards, 1 TD and 2 interceptions.
Kellen Moore's first three games: 61/104 for 779 yards, 4 TD and 6 interception

Right about now you're going to fall back on your ignorant "that's only because of the Redksins game" claim and tell me I am evaluating a player incorrectly because of it. I'll humor that for a little while longer, before I go back to actually watching All-22 (you should try it). So, throw out the two biggest games for each QB out of their first three games:

Colt McCoy: 23/35 for 248 yards, 0 TD and 0 int
Kellen Moore: 28/56 for 344 yards, 1 TD and 4 int

So, as I said above, broken down more simplistic-like with all those stats that you built your opinion on (and somehow still want Colt McCoy), Moore needs to limit his mistakes, but otherwise showed growth each game, confidence and an ability to move the ball. Certainly adequately enough in my opinion, to be a back-up QB.

Let me also say, it's a self serving argument to throw out a players best game and claim it's clouding people's evaluations. It's the same sophomoric argument as throwing out a runningbacks longest runs when evaluating his YPC. They ALL matter when evaluating and actually watching the tape because the more data you have, the more complete your evaluation can be. By refusing to acknowledge what Moore did against Washington, you've completely devalued yourself as an evaluator and proven yourself to be someone who simply wants to manipulate the argument to serve his own ends.

Before I conclude I will point out more thing for the self serving and near sighted, my first post in this thread:

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but I think the back-up QB position is Moore's to lose