The draft may be the only option (backup QB)

Alexander

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I hate the backup situation is so bad that there actually a comparative debate going on about Kellen Moore vs. Colt McCoy. It is very sad.
 

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I know I am wasting my time responding to someone when they tell me why I am posting what I am posting... My view isn't skewed. I actually watched the All-22. Did you?

In Colt McCoy's first 8 games, he threw 9 picks to 6 touchdowns and averaged *gasp* under 200 yards passing/game. Are those the very same sort of stats you're using to discredit Moore? All you've done, in fact, is completely discredit yourself.

In Moore's first three games, he's thrown for 6 picks to 4 touchdowns and averaged 259.7 yards a game.

Lets look at each of their first three NFL games, really the only informed, educated comparison we can make without getting into film.

Colt McCoy's first three games: 46/68 for 529 yards, 1 TD and 2 interceptions.
Kellen Moore's first three games: 61/104 for 779 yards, 4 TD and 6 interception

Right about now you're going to fall back on your ignorant "that's only because of the Redksins game" claim and tell me I am evaluating a player incorrectly because of it. I'll humor that for a little while longer, before I go back to actually watching All-22 (you should try it). So, throw out the two biggest games for each QB out of their first three games:

Colt McCoy: 23/35 for 248 yards, 0 TD and 0 int
Kellen Moore: 28/56 for 344 yards, 1 TD and 4 int

So, as I said above, broken down more simplistic-like with all those stats that you built your opinion on (and somehow still want Colt McCoy), Moore needs to limit his mistakes, but otherwise showed growth each game, confidence and an ability to move the ball. Certainly adequately enough in my opinion, to be a back-up QB.

Let me also say, it's a self serving argument to throw out a players best game and claim it's clouding people's evaluations. It's the same sophomoric argument as throwing out a runningbacks longest runs when evaluating his YPC. They ALL matter when evaluating and actually watching the tape because the more data you have, the more complete your evaluation can be. By refusing to acknowledge what Moore did against Washington, you've completely devalued yourself as an evaluator and proven yourself to be someone who simply wants to manipulate the argument to serve his own ends.

Before I conclude I will point out more thing for the self serving and near sighted, my first post in this thread:

First, thank you for taking the time to support your position.

Second, you wasted that time by trying to compare where one player is by comparing it to where another player was.

The Colt McCoy of today is the player we would be signing, not the guy from years ago in Cleveland. But I guess that point escaped you?

But again, you keep 'watching that tape!'

And make the next tape you watch 'Back to the Future'.
 

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While that may be true in regards to Romo but you don't expect a number 4 pick to be as much of a project as an undrafted free agent. Some high draft picks benefit from that early playing time. Blake Bortles and Derek Carr both saw a huge leap between year 1 and 2, you could contribute that to playing.

There is no way to know if they would have benefited even more had they had time to develope
Being the 4th pick doesn't mean they don't need to develope
Even more today with the college systems
 

robjay04

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There is no way to know if they would have benefited even more had they had time to develope
Being the 4th pick doesn't mean they don't need to develope
Even more today with the college systems

Well we can agree to disagree. I think some players need to be on the field to properly develop. If we make that big of an investment on a QB, I want him to be the primary backup with a headset on, active on gameday. Sure, he should compete with someone for that spot but if he wins it (which he should IMO) then he should be the primary backup.

If everything goes right, he shouldn't see the field. For the reasons I already listed, nobody is going to give a backup the time of day. Colt McCoy may or may not get a longer leash with the fans because of his Texas ties but regardless...if he or any backup struggles for a couple games or we lose; everybody will be screaming for the rookie to take over so that backup spot is almost a wasted roster spot if it doesn't go to the number 4 pick.

I think if Romo comes out the gate struggling and we go 2-2---people will start whispering about giving the rookie a shot---that is just because this is the Dallas Cowboys and everything is under a microscope.
 

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Nobody jumps from being a starter to being a backup.

Fitzgerald has actually down it before.

I don't really care about him, it is just fun watching guys get all worked up about Ryan Fitzgerald.

He was just one potential backup.
 
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