The Eagles Jalen Hurts problem

[GINeric]

Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl over 20 years ago.

The reality is that with the way the rules are these days which favour the offenses and quarterbacks to pile up the stats, teams simply cannot win a Superbowl with a quarterback like that.

Dilfer played 4 games when winning the Superbowl. Threw 590 yards. 3 touchdowns. 1 interception.

By way of comparison Foles played 3 games when winning the Superbowl. Threw 971 yards. 6 touchdowns. 1 interception.

Darnold only played 3 games. 672 yards. 5 touchdowns. 0 interceptions. Crucially he showed up big in a shootout against the Rams.

Hurts played 4 games. 910 total yards. 10 total touchdowns. 1 interception.

I just don't understand the continuous references to Trent Dilfer who doesn't really bear any relevance to the modern game over the past 10 years.

Well again.... im just following the order of how quarterbacks are judged around here. So according to many here, quarterbacks are judged by playoff wins, Superbowl appearances, and Superbowl wins.

So Dilfer is rightfully brought up into those conversations under the guidelines preset here. Im just abiding by the guidelines, I didn't create them.

Now if we're talking about football as a TEAM game, then everything you posted legitimately applies. But around here, wins and losses especially in post season play is credited to the quarterback as if this is boxing or golf.

 

[Swagger]

Well again.... im just following the order of how quarterbacks are judged around here. So according to many here, quarterbacks are judged by playoff wins, Superbowl appearances, and Superbowl wins.

So Dilfer is rightfully brought up into those conversations under the guidelines preset here. Im just abiding by the guidelines, I didn't create them.

Now if we're talking about football as a TEAM game, then everything you posted legitimately applies. But around here, wins and losses especially in post season play is credited to the quarterback as if this is boxing or golf.

I'm not one of those who thinks Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino because he won a Superbowl.

But then I would disagree with those who claim that Prescott would have definitely won a Superbowl or two with the Eagles teams that Hurts has had. One of the main reasons why the Eagles offense has been so successful is due to Hurts being able to extend plays with his legs and generally make huge plays with his wheels. This opens up the running lanes for Barkley and also the throwing avenues for Hurts himself. Obviously having a good offensive line initiates this but you need a quarterback with the requisite skillset to pull it off. They would have to run a completely different offense with Prescott which may not have as much time of possession and may put more pressure on the defense.

It has also been brushed over just how well Hurts played in his first Superbowl yet lost due to the defense. So whilst it suits people who want to slate him that the defense supposedly carried him to his Superbowl victory where he was also the MVP...well it was the defense who let a half time lead slide and were ultimately the main reason Hurts and the Eagles lost the first Superbowl he played in.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I'm not one of those who thinks Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino because he won a Superbowl.

But then I would disagree with those who claim that Prescott would have definitely won a Superbowl or two with the Eagles teams that Hurts has had. One of the main reasons why the Eagles offense has been so successful is due to Hurts being able to extend plays with his legs and generally make huge plays with his wheels. This opens up the running lanes for Barkley and also the throwing avenues for Hurts himself. Obviously having a good offensive line initiates this but you need a quarterback with the requisite skillset to pull it off. They would have to run a completely different offense with Prescott which may not have as much time of possession and may put more pressure on the defense.

It has also been brushed over just how well Hurts played in his first Superbowl yet lost due to the defense. So whilst it suits people who want to slate him that the defense supposedly carried him to his Superbowl victory where he was also the MVP...well it was the defense who let a half time lead slide and were ultimately the main reason Hurts and the Eagles lost the first Superbowl he played in.

Hurts is at or very near his ceiling. It’s time to be more concerned about Darts’s and Daniels’ respective ceilings.

 

[GINeric]

I'm not one of those who thinks Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino because he won a Superbowl.

But then I would disagree with those who claim that Prescott would have definitely won a Superbowl or two with the Eagles teams that Hurts has had. One of the main reasons why the Eagles offense has been so successful is due to Hurts being able to extend plays with his legs and generally make huge plays with his wheels. This opens up the running lanes for Barkley and also the throwing avenues for Hurts himself. Obviously having a good offensive line initiates this but you need a quarterback with the requisite skillset to pull it off. They would have to run a completely different offense with Prescott which may not have as much time of possession and may put more pressure on the defense.

It has also been brushed over just how well Hurts played in his first Superbowl yet lost due to the defense. So whilst it suits people who want to slate him that the defense supposedly carried him to his Superbowl victory where he was also the MVP...well it was the defense who let a half time lead slide and were ultimately the main reason Hurts and the Eagles lost the first Superbowl he played in.

Hey your post consist of some great arguments, no doubt. I respect Hurts for being able to adjust to what seems to be multiple coordinators since his college days.

With that said, im baffled by the negative vibes that are coming from some Eagles players like Brown. Apparently the confidence in Hurts isn't fully there throughout some players and Eagles insiders from what ive read, but you can't believe everything you read.

Going back to our latest win vs the Eagles..... im surprised that Hurts couldn't take advantage of our 32nd ranked defense and close the show, despite having elite receivers and a elite running back. We came back from being 21 points down to beat the Eagles by an offense led by Dak Prescott who many believe that Hurts is better than.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Hey your post consist of some great arguments, no doubt. I respect Hurts for being able to adjust to what seems to be multiple coordinators since his college days.

With that said, im baffled by the negative vibes that are coming from some Eagles players like Brown. Apparently the confidence in Hurts isn't fully there throughout some players and Eagles insiders from what ive read, but you can't believe everything you read.

Going back to our latest win vs the Eagles..... im surprised that Hurts couldn't take advantage of our 32nd ranked defense and close the show, despite having elite receivers and an elite running back. We came back from being 21 points down to beat the Eagles by an offense led by Dak Prescott who many believe that Hurts is better than.

Hurts has played in Super Bowls, he’s over five years younger than Prescott, and he’ll be replaced before Prescott is. How good either one of them is or isn’t is of little consequence. One plays for a demanding franchise, the other plays for the Cowboys.

 

[Swagger]

Hey your post consist of some great arguments, no doubt. I respect Hurts for being able to adjust to what seems to be multiple coordinators since his college days.

With that said, im baffled by the negative vibes that are coming from some Eagles players like Brown. Apparently the confidence in Hurts isn't fully there throughout some players and Eagles insiders from what ive read, but you can't believe everything you read.

Going back to our latest win vs the Eagles..... im surprised that Hurts couldn't take advantage of our 32nd ranked defense and close the show, despite having elite receivers and a elite running back. We came back from being 21 points down to beat the Eagles by an offense led by Dak Prescott who many believe that Hurts is better than.

Regarding your final paragraph it comes back to your point of whether it's a team game.

Hurts didn't miss a field goal in the 4th quarter, or fumble the ball in the 4th quarter when the team was in field goal range and he wasn't playing for the Special teams when the Eagles fumbled inside their 7 yard line in the 4th quarter (which Dak and Cowboys offense failed to punch in with 4 downs).

Brown and Smith went for 200 yards. Barkley was shut down for 2 yards a carry whereas Williams had over 4 yards a carry for the Cowboys.

The Cowboys D really stepped up in the 2nd half. They stopped the run, forced at least two fumbles from memory and generally played lights out. They certainly didn't play like the 32nd ranked defense in the second half - if either team's defense did then it was the Eagles.

Regarding Brown supposedly not having confidence in Hurts - I think that says more about him than Hurts. Hurts is known as being a team player and doing whatever it takes for the team to win even if his throwing numbers take a hit as a result. I get the impression Brown is a player who would rather get his and therefore look good and the team lose than playing for others and the team winning. I haven't read much about the other receivers and tight ends publicly criticising Hurts but I could be wrong.

I respect that Hurts makes decisions and plays for the team to win. Of course he isn't Brady in the pocket but he has enough quality with his arm to put points on the board and until last season there weren't many better quarterbacks with their legs than Hurts other than Jackson.

Yet the way some assess him on here you would think he's Tim Tebow with his arm not a Superbowl MVP!

 

[Swagger]

Hurts has played in Super Bowls, he’s over five years younger than Prescott, and he’ll be replaced before Prescott is. How good either one of them is or isn’t is of little consequence. One plays for a demanding franchise, the other plays for the Cowboys.

I agree Hurts will be replaced before Prescott having won a Superbowl and played lights out in another despite being 5 years younger.

Mainly because of his salary cap hit. I think the Eagles will trade him at the end of this season. Pretty brutal but I'm afraid that's what a good front office does. They make hard decisions in the best interests of the team.

Whereas the Cowboys will keep kicking the can down the road in the belief that they can construct a roster strong enough to win a Superbowl whilst being on the hook to pay Prescott $231 million guaranteed over 4 years.

 

[TheRunningMan]

Well, if you can say "you have no clue how Dak would perform on another team with a different culture and setting" can't we say the same about Hurts? How would Hurts perform surrounded by the Jets' talent? Would he win big? Or isn't that being biased and subjective?

And do a little research about Dak before making statements like "he hasn't won at the highest level at any team he's been on". Dak led his high school team to a 12-1 record in 2010 and led them to the Division 1-AAAA championship. Four years later Dak led a talent-starved Mississippi State team to rank number one in the country. He carried that program. The only players on that MSU team that even played snaps in the NFL were Dak, Preston Smith, and Elgton Jenkins.

Also I never once mentioned Dak's stats or compared them to Hurts' stats. I simply made a statement that Dak is good enough to win at the highest level (as are most QB's that have been in the NFL as long as him) if the team around him is good enough. Sam Darnold just won a Super Bowl after being discarded by the Jets, Panthers, 49ers, and Vikings. If I said 12 months ago that Sam Darnold was good enough to win a championship I would have been laughed at until he did it.

The Cowboys have had many talented teams in Daks career. Saying he has shown that he is good to enough to win at the highest level if the team around him is good enough is demonstrably false. Proven by reality. He has not proven that he is good enough to win at the highest level in the NFL because he has NOT won at the highest level in the NFL. It's a simple logic: A + B = C. I also missed when MSU won any National Championships -- which is the HIGHEST level when in college. All championships and Bowl games in college are not created equal.

 

[kskboys]

Hurts is at or very near his ceiling. It’s time to be more concerned about Darts’s and Daniels’ respective ceilings.

Judging from last season, I'd say it's more likely that Hurts reached his ceiling in 2024 and is now on the downslide.

The shelf life of a running QB is generally 2-5 years, and Hurts is now in year 7. If he's not on the way down, then why did he quit running last season? The logical answer is that he has some sort of lower body injury.

 

[TheRunningMan]

You said i tried to invalidate Hurts for his Superbowl win. I already said Kudos to Hurts for winning a Superbowl because there are quarterbacks who have never won one.

Which part of that is invalidating Hurts?

The problem here is you're emotional because I told the truth about Dilfer having the same amount of Superbowl wins.

Thats just facts lil bro, dont shoot the messenger for just speaking about something that really happened.

Look. Here's a lil piece of advice for you specifically. Get out of your emotions. Stop being soft. Toughen up a lil bit. Its just a conversation about what really happened in football. Stop getting angry at the truth. It's really exposes the weakness in you.

Toughen up a lil bit lil bro. Get out of your feelings about the truth of what happened in football. Thats for the weak and soft people. Thats not a good look my guy.

I acknowledged and agreed with what you said, pops. Maybe if you slowed down, processed what you read and chilled out on trying to to go tit for tat with the juvenile stuff? You'd have caught it, pops.

Nobody is in their feelings over comments from random strangers on the internet about football, pops. lmao! It's not that serious. That's what people who are insecure IRL or used to get stuffed in the lockers in high school have to constantly keep saying, and do to boost their self-esteem. Act your blood pressure and cholesterol levels, pops. Or don't. *shrug emoji.* Because there's 2 places I'm about to stop going with you: Back and forth.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Judging from last season, I'd say it's more likely that Hurts reached his ceiling in 2024 and is now on the downslide.

The shelf life of a running QB is generally 2-5 years, and Hurts is now in year 7. If he's not on the way down, then why did he quit running last season? The logical answer is that he has some sort of lower body injury.

Great. If Dart and Daniels suffer injuries, too, the Cowboys might be able to win more games than they lose.

 

[TheRunningMan]

Well, if you can say "you have no clue how Dak would perform on another team with a different culture and setting" can't we say the same about Hurts? How would Hurts perform surrounded by the Jets' talent? Would he win big? Or isn't that being biased and subjective?

And do a little research about Dak before making statements like "he hasn't won at the highest level at any team he's been on". Dak led his high school team to a 12-1 record in 2010 and led them to the Division 1-AAAA championship. Four years later Dak led a talent-starved Mississippi State team to rank number one in the country. He carried that program. The only players on that MSU team that even played snaps in the NFL were Dak, Preston Smith, and Elgton Jenkins.

Also I never once mentioned Dak's stats or compared them to Hurts' stats. I simply made a statement that Dak is good enough to win at the highest level (as are most QB's that have been in the NFL as long as him) if the team around him is good enough. Sam Darnold just won a Super Bowl after being discarded by the Jets, Panthers, 49ers, and Vikings. If I said 12 months ago that Sam Darnold was good enough to win a championship I would have been laughed at until he did it.

I literally did say the same thing. You read what I wrote right? Specifically the part where I said, "Just like we don't know how Hurts would perform."

I also said that we can't solely use stats as a metric for how a player would perform of on a different team, because there are other aspects of the players resume that factor in. And used the example of what is known -- how Hurts has won on every team he has been on at the highest level. That's great what Dak did in college and high school. But the fact is he has not won at the highest level on every team he has been on. Or have the Cowboys won a Super Bowl that I'm not aware of?

I'm aware there are other aspects of winning that go into a team sport. I'm just saying it's a lazy, uninspired take to say: Look at this players performance here. And put it over there and BOOM they would have this amount of success. It's not a logical take because the condition would not be the same. They could be BETTER OR WORSE. And the fact is there is no way of knowing because there is no way to fully prove what would or would not happen.

We see it all the time. A player looks good on one team. And can look mediocre on another team. Or vice versa. A player looks so - so on one team. Then goes to another team and is lights out.

Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl over 20 years ago.

The reality is that with the way the rules are these days which favour the offenses and quarterbacks to pile up the stats, teams simply cannot win a Superbowl with a quarterback like that.

Dilfer played 4 games when winning the Superbowl. Threw 590 yards. 3 touchdowns. 1 interception.

By way of comparison Foles played 3 games when winning the Superbowl. Threw 971 yards. 6 touchdowns. 1 interception.

Darnold only played 3 games. 672 yards. 5 touchdowns. 0 interceptions. Crucially he showed up big in a shootout against the Rams.

Hurts played 4 games. 910 total yards. 10 total touchdowns. 1 interception.

I just don't understand the continuous references to Trent Dilfer who doesn't really bear any relevance to the modern game over the past 10 years.

I'm curious to see how he responds to this. I mean they both got Super Bowls is all he says he was saying. He was in no way shape or form trying to invalidate Jalen Hurts or his accomplishments with that statement. Just talking about the facts.

 

[GINeric]

The Cowboys have had many talented teams in Daks career. Saying he has shown that he is good to enough to win at the highest level if the team around him is good enough is demonstrably false. Proven by reality. He has not proven that he is good enough to win at the highest level in the NFL because he has NOT won at the highest level in the NFL. It's a simple logic: A + B = C. I also missed when MSU won any National Championships -- which is the HIGHEST level when in college. All championships and Bowl games in college are not created equal.

Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Jim Kelly, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrows, Josh Allen, etc were all considered great or elite quarterbacks in their careers. According to your logic, they have all shown that they can't win at the highest levels. This is also proven by reality.

I stand to be corrected if im wrong, but not only have they shown that they couldn't win at the highest levels in the NFL, but neither of them won a National Championship in college either.

So what should I take from this? I believe all of them were also first round draft picks on top of that. Again, I stand to be corrected if im wrong.

With that said, according to your measurements of quarterback success, its safe to say that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Joe Theismann, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hodstetler, Jim McMahon, etc are better than the quarterbacks listed above because the latter quarterbacks mentioned HAVE shown that they can win at the highest level in the NFL, correct?

This is proven in reality.

 

[kskboys]

Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Jim Kelly, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrows, Josh Allen, etc were all considered great or elite quarterbacks in their careers. According to your logic, they have all shown that they can't win at the highest levels. This is also proven by reality.

I stand to be corrected if im wrong, but not only have they shown that they couldn't win at the highest levels in the NFL, but neither of them won a National Championship in college either.

So what should I take from this? I believe all of them were also first round draft picks on top of that. Again, I stand to be corrected if im wrong.

With that said, according to your measurements of quarterback success, its safe to say that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Joe Theismann, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hodstetler, Jim McMahon, etc are better than the quarterbacks listed above because the latter quarterbacks mentioned HAVE shown that they can win at the highest level in the NFL, correct?

This is proven in reality.

There's your go-to Dak argument.

Question: Why did you make this a Dak thread? We have more than enough of those w/ the same tired Dak reiterations. Can you stay on topic, or does it always have to be about Dak?

Asking for a friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheRunningMan]

Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Jim Kelly, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrows, Josh Allen, etc were all considered great or elite quarterbacks in their careers. According to your logic, they have all shown that they can't win at the highest levels. This is also proven by reality.

I stand to be corrected if im wrong, but not only have they shown that they couldn't win at the highest levels in the NFL, but neither of them won a National Championship in college either.

So what should I take from this? I believe all of them were also first round draft picks on top of that. Again, I stand to be corrected if im wrong.

With that said, according to your measurements of quarterback success, its safe to say that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Joe Theismann, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hodstetler, Jim McMahon, etc are better than the quarterbacks listed above because the latter quarterbacks mentioned HAVE shown that they can win at the highest level in the NFL, correct?

This is proven in reality.

I never said that winning at the highest level proves that you are a better quarterback than anybody. You're assumptions are your own. The statement explains itself. It just proves that you can win at the highest level. Those other guys did not or have not. It's not really a hard concept to understand. But if what you are saying is true, that they didn't win at the highest level in college or the NFL. Well. . .

I mean Dan Marino could tell any qb not on his skill level a lot of things about being a successful "elite" qb. But one thing he couldn't do is tell them what it is, or what it takes to be a champion. Because he NEVER did it.

I'm not sure if you're just trying to argue for arguments sake at this point.

 

[GINeric]

I acknowledged and agreed with what you said, pops. Maybe if you slowed down, processed what you read and chilled out on trying to to go tit for tat with the juvenile stuff? You'd have caught it, pops.

Nobody is in their feelings over comments from random strangers on the internet about football, pops. lmao! It's not that serious. That's what people who are insecure IRL or used to get stuffed in the lockers in high school have to constantly keep saying, and do to boost their self-esteem. Act your blood pressure and cholesterol levels, pops. Or don't. *shrug emoji.* Because there's 2 places I'm about to stop going with you: Back and forth.

Aww thats cute. The lil fella called me pops. First time in my life that someone called me that but I'll take it. I guess you're around what, 12 to 17 years old? That's cool, you got a lot to learn about real life lil bro.

You call yourself The Running Man. Im pretty sure that name describes alot about you. You're very aggressive in your posting style on the internet. Most people who are insecure or weaker in real life come across real aggressive on the internet because they aren't built like that to keep that same energy in their lives.

Pipe down a little bit lil bro, it ain't that serious. Its just football talk. Neither one of us are paid by our favorite teams. Relax fam. Its ok. Your aggressive posting style shows that you've been hurt by something or someone.

Again, Ive noticed alot of Eagles fans with this type of behavior. Yall need to calm down and relax. Its just sports. The whole aggressive, "rah rah", act isn't believable my guy. You come across as someone who gets bullied on a regular basis.

Just be you and lets debate in facts and credible proof, take your lil feelings and emotions out of it. Its ok if we agree to disagree lil bro.

 

[TheRunningMan]

Aww thats cute. The lil fella called me pops. First time in my life that someone called me that but I'll take it. I guess you're around what, 12 to 17 years old? That's cool, you got a lot to learn about real life lil bro.

You call yourself The Running Man. Im pretty sure that name describes alot about you. You're very aggressive in your posting style on the internet. Most people who are insecure or weaker in real life come across real aggressive on the internet because they aren't built like that to keep that same energy in their lives.

Pipe down a little bit lil bro, it ain't that serious. Its just football talk. Neither one of us are paid by our favorite teams. Relax fam. Its ok. Your aggressive posting style shows that you've been hurt by something or someone.

Again, Ive noticed alot of Eagles fans with this type of behavior. Yall need to calm down and relax. Its just sports. The whole aggressive, "rah rah", act isn't believable my guy. You come across as someone who gets bullied on a regular basis.

Just be you and lets debate in facts and credible proof, take your lil feelings and emotions out of it. Its ok if we agree to disagree lil bro.

You're the one that started with the lil bro stuff. All because I said you sounded hurt in your first monologue you typed. Hit dogs holler. So I understand. You're obsessed with me and my emotions it seems. It's getting a little weird now. To the point that you keep creating all this fan fiction. Even after I've told you nobody is emotional over random strangers words online. LOL

But I'm the one that is 12 or 17? Hilarious! I'm showing you the same level of respect, you're showing me, pops.

If you want to have a conversation without the juvenile stuff? Take your own advice and stop acting like a juvenile, pops.

 

[GINeric]

There's your go-to Dak argument.

Question: Why did you make this a Dak thread? We have more than enough of those w/ the same tired Dak reiterations. Can you stay on topic, or does it always have to be about Dak?

Asking for a friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well if you actually followed the conversation, I was talking about other quarterbacks and someone else brought Dak into the conversation.

Its amazing how I can never mention Dak in a conversation while talking about other quarterbacks..... and then other people bring Dak into the situation. What's even more amazing is how you fail to address the people who actually brought Dak up into a conversation that I never mentioned his name in.

Three quick questions.....

1. Why do you fail to keep that same energy with people who actually hijack every thread with Dak's name in threads that has nothing to do with him?

2. How can you consider me having "an argument for Dak" if I never mentioned his name first?

3. While you were asking for a friend, who's dumb idea was it to accuse someone of bringing up Dak's name in a conversation in which he never brought Dak's name up first, your dumb idea or your friend's?

 

[GINeric]

You're the one that started with the lil bro stuff. All because I said you sounded hurt in your first monologue you typed. Hit dogs holler. You're obsessed with me and my emotions it seems. It's getting a little weird now. To the point that you keep creating all this fan fiction. Even after I've told you nobody is emotional over random strangers words online. Because it seems like you're trying to convince me or yourself of it. LOL

But I'm the one that is 12 or 17? Take your own advice.

Listen lil bro, im just trying to help you out. Again, your posting style shows that you are weak, emotional and soft. There's nothing about talking football that could have me hurt. You're the one who brought up emotions while you were posting with emotions. Picture that.

Go get some help. Take some Karate classes or something to give you more confidence and courage.

Talking spicy online with skewed football opinions isn't going to toughen you up. Bottom line.

 

[TheRunningMan]

Listen lil bro, im just trying to help you out. Again, your posting style shows that you are weak, emotional and soft. There's nothing about talking football that could have me hurt. You're the one who brought up emotions while you were posting with emotions. Picture that.

Go get some help. Take some Karate classes or something to give you more confidence and courage.

Talking spicy online with skewed football opinions isn't going to toughen you up. Bottom line.

I'm just here giving you the attention you are so desperately seeking from me. Gotta be gracious to the elderly.

But you should really take your own advice and level up your material pops.

You've been saying the same corny beat for like 3 days now. Like you either like dudes and are trying to flirt, or are just thirsty for attention, pops. Because there's no way that a "grown man" who has been watching football since the 60's -- is this thirsty for the attentions from random strangers on a football forum. While flattering, I don't bat for that team. And there's no problem with it, if YOU do. You're just in the wrong forum and talking to the wrong guy.

Good luck with all that though!

Numerous other people in here quoting and trying to converse with you, but you keep talking to ME.

Damn pops is obsessed.

lmao