The Escobar Pick: Revisting the Cowboys Draft Board

[Super_Kazuya]

You have to stick to your board.

I think a better rule of thumb would be, "don't let the fans see your board, that way they don't have an entirely new way to criticize you with the help of hindsight".

 

[Risen Star]

I think a better rule of thumb would be, "don't let the fans see your board, that way they don't have an entirely new way to criticize you with the help of hindsight".

It always goes from too early to say to hindsight.

And our draft reviews are always too early to call and then it's quit living in the past.

No hindsight needed. I hated the Escobar pick when it was made.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have to stick to your board. Otherwise you end up with the 2009 draft and get no production at all. During draft day I was pretty upset they didn't take another lineman but after seeing the draft board I am pleased with the work they did this year.

Also it's a bit too early to revisit the draft seeing as the complete version of the offense hasn't even seen the field yet. Talk to me at the end of the season.

Yeah sure looks like they are not going to get any production out of this draft class.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They certainly do float information out there to back up their decisions.

And the sheep flock accordingly.

I'm all about results. If the player busts, I don't give two bleeps where he was on your draft board. That doesn't justify a bad decision.

Well there is always your way of making a meme of an ideology and using it to overvalue a position by a round or two. Oh and then we can cherry pick draft sites and then claim that 'most' said this or that. And nevermind that they don't agree with your meme.

Sure sounds like a better alternative to the 'sheep.' We should just follow you.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think he's on pace to have a very limited role. Kinda sucks that it appears as though he won't be able to be more of an every down player.

 

[yimyammer]

They had a 2nd round grade on Williams, they selected him in the 3rd. They had a 3rd round grade on Webb, they took him in the 4th. They had a 3rd round grade on Randle, they selected him in the 5th. Finally, they had a 5th round on Holloman, they took him in the 6th.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary that what I said is incorrect? I would like to hear it if you do.

That doesn't strike me as a glowing review of how the scouts ranked players on their board considering the entire league passed on these players & allowed a full round to pass before the Cowboys took them That many teams passing on these players gives me the impression the Cowboys over valued these guys.

 

[ThreeandOut]

That doesn't strike me as a glowing review of how the scouts ranked players on their board considering the entire league passed on these players & allowed a full round to pass before the Cowboys took them That many teams passing on these players gives me the impression the Cowboys over valued these guys.

Well, they've had a few players that they've "over valued" in recent years that have turned out pretty well (Sean Lee, Navarro Bowman, Demarco Murray).

 

[jnday]

Warford gives up penetration entirely too easily and doesn't have the quickness to ever be anything other than average in that regard.

It's a passing league. Get used to the idea.

Is that why the team is trying to develop a running game? You do know that Garrett's offense depends on a decent running game to be effective don't you ?

 

[CyberB0b]

They had a 2nd round grade on Williams, they selected him in the 3rd. They had a 3rd round grade on Webb, they took him in the 4th. They had a 3rd round grade on Randle, they selected him in the 5th. Finally, they had a 5th round on Holloman, they took him in the 6th.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary that what I said is incorrect? I would like to hear it if you do.

That means they are vastly overrating players at their position.

 

[Alexander]

Well there is always your way of making a meme of an ideology and using it to overvalue a position by a round or two. Oh and then we can cherry pick draft sites and then claim that 'most' said this or that. And nevermind that they don't agree with your meme.

Sure sounds like a better alternative to the 'sheep.' We should just follow you.

I don't think you quite understand what the word "meme" means.

 

[85Cowboy85]

That doesn't strike me as a glowing review of how the scouts ranked players on their board considering the entire league passed on these players & allowed a full round to pass before the Cowboys took them That many teams passing on these players gives me the impression the Cowboys over valued these guys.

I think that every team in the league "over valued" their draft picks. That's just the nature of the beast. Players are most likely to be drafted by the teams that have the highest grades on them. About 1/4 of the players that went prior to Escobar were either 3rd or 4th round grades or were not even on the board. I think draft boards from team to team vary much more wildly then people think.

It is neither a good nor bad review of the Cowboys scouts in general. To evaluate whether the grades prospects get from the Cowboys are accurate we would need to see how their grades correlate with results. It would be interesting to check the board again in 2017-2018 and see how the scouts did.

 

[iceberg]

call me crazy - but i'll give him a year or more to see how he does before i call him out and slap him down.

some people are just looking for a "*****" to kick around and it gets old.

 

[ThreeandOut]

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I think that every team in the league "over valued" their draft picks. That's just the nature of the beast. Players are most likely to be drafted by the teams that have the highest grades on them. About 1/4 of the players that went prior to Escobar were either 3rd or 4th round grades or were not even on the board. I think draft boards from team to team vary much more wildly then people think.

It is neither a good nor bad review of the Cowboys scouts in general. To evaluate whether the grades prospects get from the Cowboys are accurate we would need to see how their grades correlate with results. It would be interesting to check the board again in 2017-2018 and see how the scouts did.

Exactly, every team "over values" their draft picks to some extent. At the end of the day, all that matters is do those players play up to those evaluations. The Cowboys track record on some of these supposed over valuations in recent years has been pretty good (see Sean Lee, Navaro Bowman, Demarco Murray).

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think you quite understand what the word "meme" means.

'It starts in the trenches' is an example of a meme. Most of my post is about his execution. Now if you would like we can go over the definition and how it applies to his approach. I don't think anyone wants that but I will if need be,

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Well that's not exactly the case. If you've got pick 15 and the guys you had graded out as being worthy of that pick aren't there, but the next guy up is graded as being a 2nd round prospect, trading down is still "sticking to the board".

That being said, my entire point of what I said was that no one "sticks to the board" in the literal sense. That they don't always stick to the letter and law of their draft boards once the draft gets rolling so you can't say, "If they hadn't taken Escobar, they'd have taken Ryan Nassib because he was next on the list." when they already DIDN'T take Floyd where they had him graded at. You can't have it both ways.

What?

I honestly don't know what your point is.

 

[visionary]

'It starts in the trenches' is an example of a meme. Most of my post is about his execution. Now if you would like we can go over the definition and how it applies to his approach. I don't think anyone wants that but I will if need be,

do you mean sort of like "it starts in the trenches is a meme"?

 

[davey999]

How do you have a 2nd round grade on Escobar and a 3rd round grade on Kyle Long?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How do you have a 2nd round grade on Escobar and a 3rd round grade on Kyle Long?

Because Kyle Long has a substance abuse past, started only one year and his skills are not well developed?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

do you mean sort of like "it starts in the trenches is a meme"?

SO I am making a meme of a meme you are saying?

 

[davey999]

Because Kyle Long has a substance abuse past, started only one year and his skills are not well developed?

Looks like bad evaluation.

Escobar is slow and can't block.