The even-keel, straight-shooter, non knee-jerk thread

[Rampage]

Do you realize what you're arguing for?

You're pretty much dismissing the importance of passing the ball, while making the running game the be-all end-all of football, AND expecting that you'll gain positive yards on every run, which does not happen.

The time that we ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down, it forced us into 3rd and 9 which was incomplete. Inefficient runs set you up in 3rd and longs, just like incompletions and sacks.

I'm not arguing for a pass heavy offense. I want balance, and throughout this season we've been fairly balanced.

But to argue we abandoned the run this game when the situation clearly did not dictate it is crazy talk.

3rd and 9 is not nearly as bad as 3rd &13, 3rd &19 and 3rd & 23 like you stated. you're argueing that the playcalling was acceptable.

 

[NextGenBoys]

3rd and 9 is not nearly as bad as 3rd &13, 3rd &19 and 3rd & 23 like you stated. you're argueing that the playcalling was acceptable.

That 3rd and 13 was completed for a first down and called back due to PI on Witten which had no bearing to the completion. I'd say that was a good play call. Oh, and the 3rd and 13 was set up by a poor run and then a fumble. Not bad coaching, rather poor execution.

What I'm arguing is that the play calling is not the main reason we lost, as there were plays to be made out there due to the playcalling, and the plays were not made by the players.

When you fumble the ball after a huge completion, miss a mental assignment on your QB's blind side and he fumbles, and drop perfectly placed, drive-sustaining passes, that is not on the OC.

Green Bay has one of the best defenses in the league. When playing good defenses you're not going to have as many opportunities to make plays as you would against a weaker team. Therefore, when opportunities DO arise, players need to take advantage of them when they are in positions to succeed.

They did not, and ultimately it lost them the game far more than "bad coaching"

 

[Rampage]

That 3rd and 13 was completed for a first down and called back due to PI on Witten which had no bearing to the completion. I'd say that was a good play call. Oh, and the 3rd and 13 was set up by a poor run and then a fumble. Not bad coaching, rather poor execution.

What I'm arguing is that the play calling is not the main reason we lost, as there were plays to be made out there due to the playcalling, and the plays were not made by the players.

When you fumble the ball after a huge completion, miss a mental assignment on your QB's blind side and he fumbles, and drop perfectly placed, drive-sustaining passes, that is not on the OC.

Green Bay has one of the best defenses in the league. When playing good defenses you're not going to have as many opportunities to make plays as you would against a weaker team. Therefore, when opportunities DO arise, players need to take advantage of them when they are in positions to succeed.

They did not, and ultimately it lost them the game far more than "bad coaching"

1st off green bay's defense is not one of the best in the league.

2nd notice all those missed oppurntunities were when we were passing.

 

[Doomsday101]

1st off green bay's defense is not one of the best in the league.

2nd notice all those missed oppurntunities were when we were passing.

The fact the oppurtunity was there should tell you the play was there for the taking but the player has to execute it. Running for 1 or 2 yards is not going to cut it. I have no problem with people feeling we should have run a bit more but frankly given how poor the blocking was we were not getting anything out of the run yet if there are openings to take advantage of down the field and we refuse to go after those plays then I would question that.

 

[NextGenBoys]

1st off green bay's defense is not one of the best in the league.

2nd notice all those missed oppurntunities were when we were passing.

You're flat out wrong.

I'm not going to post the stats, but you're wrong. Be a man, and just admit it for once.

They're top 10 in every major category, including 2nd in 3RD DOWN PERCENTAGE.

And no missed opportunities included run plays netting zero or 1 yard, including a 3rd and 4 run which we didnt convert.

 

[Rampage]

You're flat out wrong.

I'm not going to post the stats, but you're wrong. Be a man, and just admit it for once.

They're top 10 in every major category, including 2nd in 3RD DOWN PERCENTAGE.

And no missed opportunities included run plays netting zero or 1 yard, including a 3rd and 4 run which we didnt convert.

stop with the rankings. we struggle in the redzone and get pass happy when the pass isn't working like in all our 3 losses. we had a top ranked offense in 2007 how'd that work out? oh that's right Garrett got pass happy in the 2nd half after Barber had over 100 yards in the 1st half. it cost us the game kind of like yesterday. i'm not wrong. if i was i'd admit it. you think the playcalling was acceptable:laugh2: and I don't.

 

[craig71]

You're flat out wrong.

I'm not going to post the stats, but you're wrong. Be a man, and just admit it for once.

They're top 10 in every major category, including 2nd in 3RD DOWN PERCENTAGE.

And no missed opportunities included run plays netting zero or 1 yard, including a 3rd and 4 run which we didnt convert.

I believe Green Bay is #4 in rush defense and #6 in pass defense with an overall ranking of #4.

Craig

 

[Rampage]

I believe Green Bay is #4 in rush defense and #6 in pass defense with an overall ranking of #4.

Craig

well than what happened to that defense last week against the bucs?

 

[NextGenBoys]

well than what happened to that defense last week against the bucs?

You're going to base judgement on a body of work of 9 weeks off of one game?

And against the Bucs the Packers offense turned the ball over 3 times, and gave up 7 points on a blocked FG and 7 on a pick six. Oh and not to mention we gave up 450 total net yards against the Bucs and 21 points.

Like I've said all along, you cant just look at a box score to know what really happened.

 

[craig71]

well than what happened to that defense last week against the bucs?

Now that I can't tell ya'.But one thing is for certain,the defense they fielded in Tampa didn't show up in Lambeau.

Craig

 

[Rampage]

You're going to base judgement on a body of work of 9 weeks off of one game?

And against the Bucs the Packers offense turned the ball over 3 times, and gave up 7 points on a blocked FG and 7 on a pick six. Oh and not to mention we gave up 450 total net yards against the Bucs and 21 points.

Like I've said all along, you cant just look at a box score to know what really happened.

omg this is why i said stop with the rankings. judging by the rankings they should have a much better defense than us yet they have given up more points than us for the year and per game. you keep going to this boxscore excuse. when we either miss the playoffs or get knocked out of them again you'll see what i'm talking about.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Now that I can't tell ya'.But one thing is for certain,the defense they fielded in Tampa didn't show up in Lambeau.

Craig

Actually the stats are fairly similar (except the score of course, which is all that matters)

Similar TOP, similar yards, similar 3rd down percentage.

What beat them that game was their mistakes. 3 interceptions including a pick-six, and a blocked FG for a TD.

 

[NextGenBoys]

omg this is why i said stop with the rankings. judging by the rankings they should have a much better defense than us yet they have given up more points than us for the year and per game. you keep going to this boxscore excuse. when we either miss the playoffs or get knocked out of them again you'll see what i'm talking about.

They've given up ten more points than us this season. Wow that's a lot.

 

[Rampage]

They've given up ten more points than us this season. Wow that's a lot.

and yet they're ranked #4 in total defense and we're ranked 17th in total defense. so stop with the rankings cause they only tell half the story.

 

[craig71]

Actually the stats are fairly similar (except the score of course, which is all that matters)

Similar TOP, similar yards, similar 3rd down percentage.

What beat them that game was their mistakes. 3 interceptions including a pick-six, and a blocked FG for a TD.[/quote

I didn't see the Tampa/Green Bay game.

But I know yesterday 3rd and long killed this team on both sides of the ball.

Craig

 

[NextGenBoys]

and yet they're ranked #4 in total defense and we're ranked 17th in total defense. so stop with the rankings cause they only tell half the story.

You're argument was that they're not a good defense, and if they are, what happened to them against GB.

Both of those have been dismissed, and your present argument has nothing to do with your original argument on GB having a good defense.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I didn't see the Tampa/Green Bay game.

But I know yesterday 3rd and long killed this team on both sides of the ball.

Craig

Yeah it did. As soon as Jenkins and Hamlin went out, I thought we'd be in trouble in that department.

 

[Rampage]

You're argument was that they're not a good defense, and if they are, what happened to them against GB.

Both of those have been dismissed, and your present argument has nothing to do with your original argument on GB having a good defense.

 

[CF74]

Going into the 4th quarter we were doubled up in TOP at 30 min for GB and 15 for us. Hard to run in the 4th quarter down ten in those circumstances.

So much for even keel. The run the ball more crowd is not calling for the run when we are down by 10 or more with time running out, we are just calling for the run more in general. Especially when the score is close and it's 1st down. To often are we faced with 2nd and long or even worse, third and long.

Can we discuss this issue objectively and stop calling it an "Agenda." The only agenda here is to fix the team and start winning from our key pads...c:

 

[craig71]

Not to change the subject but how do ya'll think Free will hold up against Washington?
I'm thinking he might not be strong enough to hold up at the point of attack and he should need some help.I also think Washington will want to attack him with stunts/twists and a few delayed blitzes.

Any thoughts?


Craig