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[NextGenBoys]

it was 3-0 in the 4th quarter

see above mr. know-it-all

Yep.

But when we first touched the ball on offense in the 4th quarter it was 10-0, therefore, playing catchup.

Then Flo misses an assignment and Romo fumbles, causing us to be down three scores.

 

[Rampage]

Yep.

But when we first touched the ball on offense in the 4th quarter it was 10-0, therefore, playing catchup.

Then Flo misses an assignment and Romo fumbles, causing us to be down three scores.

being down 10-0 still doesn't mean abandon the run and go shotgun on 95% of the rest of your plays on offense. we just see totally different things on the playcalling yesterday.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

being down 10-0 still doesn't mean abandon the run and go shotgun on 95% of the rest of your plays on offense. we just see totally different things on the playcalling yesterday.

He panicks too much. Garrett thinks he'll get 10 points on one play. I keep thinking he's finally changed then he puts together an awful gameplan the very next week.

 

[NextGenBoys]

being down 10-0 still doesn't mean abandon the run and go shotgun on 95% of the rest of your plays on offense. we just see totally different things on the playcalling yesterday.

Well considering we ran three plays down 10-0, one of which was a pass for 20 yards, the other a run for 4 yards, and then a fumble, I dont know how you can call that abandoning the run.

After the fumble when we went down 17-0, yes we abandoned the run, but you'd be hard pressed to find any coach who wouldnt in that scenario.

 

[craig71]

Well considering we ran three plays down 10-0, one of which was a pass for 20 yards, the other a run for 4 yards, and then a fumble, I dont know how you can call that abandoning the run.

After the fumble when we went down 17-0, yes we abandoned the run, but you'd be hard pressed to find any coach who wouldnt in that scenario.

Quit presenting facts it will get you in trouble.........:laugh1:


Craig

 

[Rampage]

Quit presenting facts it will get you in trouble.........:laugh1:


Craig

it was abandoned after the 1st series


Rampage

 

[EPL0c0]

it was abandoned after the 1st series


Rampage

I believe Dallas RBs had 9 carries in the 1st half, 2 in the 2nd.

9 carries...i'd call that abandoning the run early too.

 

[NextGenBoys]

it was abandoned after the 1st series


Rampage

Not including a punt, we had 5 plays on our 2nd possesion, and 3 of them were runs, including back-to-back runs on 1st and second down which netted us one yard leaving us at 3rd and 9.

Columbo was also injured on the first play of this drive.

 

[craig71]

it was abandoned after the 1st series


Rampage

This was the fourth series :
1-10-DAL 25 (9:50) 9-T.Romo pass short left to 80-M.Bennett to DAL 31 for 6 yards (56-N.Barnett, 31-A.Harris).
2-4-DAL 31 (9:04) 28-F.Jones right end to DAL 31 for no gain (90-B.Raji, 50-A.Hawk).
3-4-DAL 31 (8:20) (Shotgun) 23-T.Choice up the middle to DAL 34 for 3 yards (59-B.Jones, 21-C.Woodson).
4-1-DAL 34 (7:42) 1-M.McBriar punts 43 yards to GB 23, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 38-T.Williams


Craig

 

[NextGenBoys]

I believe Dallas RBs had 9 carries in the 1st half, 2 in the 2nd.

9 carries...i'd call that abandoning the run early too.

Not including our last drive before the half (1:50 left, looking to score) we only passed the ball 10 times.

It's not the fact that we abandoned the run, it's the fact we couldnt get off the field on defense, and we couldnt convert 3rd downs.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Not including our last drive before the half (1:50 left, looking to score) we only passed the ball 10 times.

It's not the fact that we abandoned the run, it's the fact we couldnt get off the field on defense, and we couldnt convert 3rd downs.

You've just noted HALF of our running plays in two drives. Throw in the 2 runs from our opening drinve and that leaves 4 runs for the rest of the game.

And the other problem I have seen no one mention is that we are rotating our backs WAY TOO MUCH! How can you get into a rythym and feel for the speed of a defense when you get one run, then head to the bench for 6 minutes then come back in and get another run, then back to the bench, and so on? Keep either Barber or Choice in the stinkin' game and let them play! If they aren't getting the job done, then get them outta there and put the other in. But STOP THE ROTATING!!!!!

 

[NextGenBoys]

You've just noted HALF of our running plays in two drives. Throw in the 2 runs from our opening drinve and that leaves 4 runs for the rest of the game.

And the other problem I have seen no one mention is that we are rotating our backs WAY TOO MUCH! How can you get into a rythym and feel for the speed of a defense when you get one run, then head to the bench for 6 minutes then come back in and get another run, then back to the bench, and so on? Keep either Barber or Choice in the stinkin' game and let them play! If they aren't getting the job done, then get them outta there and put the other in. But STOP THE ROTATING!!!!!

Very good, and yes I did.

But when you take out Romo's 25 pass attempts once we were down by 17, you see that it wasn't a matter of being pass happy, as Romo only had 14 pass attempts at that point, so it would have been a runass ratio of 11:14.

It's not a matter of not enough running plays, it's a matter of not enough plays period, because we could not stay on the field, be it conversions or turnovers.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Very good, and yes I did.

But when you take out Romo's 25 pass attempts once we were down by 17, you see that it wasn't a matter of being pass happy, as Romo only had 14 pass attempts at that point, so it would have been a runass ratio of 11:14.

It's not a matter of not enough running plays, it's a matter of not enough plays period, because we could not stay on the field, be it conversions or turnovers.

If you add in the sacks, it was 17 pass plays to 10 run plays... and those 17 pass plays netted 31 yards, I believe. SO regardless of what the situation is, give me the 5ypc average over less than 2 yards per pass attempt!

 

[YosemiteSam]

The offense hung the defense out to dry. I believe at one point it was ToP was GB 30m / DC 15m

The defense got tired while the offense was sitting back in their lazy boy.

 

[kramskoi]

The offense hung the defense out to dry. I believe at one point it was ToP was GB 30m / DC 15m

The defense got tired while the offense was sitting back in their lazy boy.

...that would be at the 12 minute mark of the fourth quarter...

 

[Ender]

Why are people complaining about the run-pass disparity. WE WERE LOSING THE GAME. How many plays were ran the last 3 possession when we were down by 17 in the 4th quarter?? Probably close to 20, so stop putting up the statistic about 40 passes to 11 carries, why would any team run the ball when down by 10 plus points late in the game. Give me a break, stop complainig about stuff that's not even an issue at this point. If we were up we would have ran the ball but we weren't so their in lies the run pass disparity.

 

[NextGenBoys]

If you add in the sacks, it was 17 pass plays to 10 run plays... and those 17 pass plays netted 31 yards, I believe. SO regardless of what the situation is, give me the 5ypc average over less than 2 yards per pass attempt!

Good call adding in the sacks, I didn't think about that.

How many of those passes were on 3rd and long though?

In the third quarter alone we faced 3rd and 13, 3rd and 23, and 3rd and 19. You really want to run in situations like that?

Didnt think so.

 

[Rampage]

Good call adding in the sacks, I didn't think about that.

How many of those passes were on 3rd and long though?

In the third quarter alone we faced 3rd and 13, 3rd and 23, and 3rd and 19. You really want to run in situations like that?

Didnt think so.

if you run the ball you won't be put in those situations

 

[NextGenBoys]

if you run the ball you won't be put in those situations

Do you realize what you're arguing for?

You're pretty much dismissing the importance of passing the ball, while making the running game the be-all end-all of football, AND expecting that you'll gain positive yards on every run, which does not happen.

The time that we ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down, it forced us into 3rd and 9 which was incomplete. Inefficient runs set you up in 3rd and longs, just like incompletions and sacks.

I'm not arguing for a pass heavy offense. I want balance, and throughout this season we've been fairly balanced.

But to argue we abandoned the run this game when the situation clearly did not dictate it is crazy talk.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you realize what you're arguing for?

You're pretty much dismissing the importance of passing the ball, while making the running game the be-all end-all of football, AND expecting that you'll gain positive yards on every run, which does not happen.

The time that we ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down, it forced us into 3rd and 9 which was incomplete. Inefficient runs set you up in 3rd and longs, just like incompletions and sacks.

I'm not arguing for a pass heavy offense. I want balance, and throughout this season we've been fairly balanced.

But to argue we abandoned the run this game when the situation clearly did not dictate it is crazy talk.

I agree just tired of arguing it.