The Future is Dan Quinn

[GMO415]

Seany P will be the next HC. If Dan Q stays on after that, Dallas will probably make it into the SB.

 

[Diehardblues]

No. But you tried to judge them as if the playing field was level. I appreciate you finally admitting the truth here.



That unfortunate part of the equation is true. But again it’s year TWO vs TEN years.

I understand and why I’ve often stated “ thus far”.

I’ve not argued JG was a better HC. Only he had as much or more success. And he doesn’t deserve anymore ridicule than our other HC’s this era based on his record.

And I judged them only on their division titles and playoff wins .

My argument for JG has often been misconstrued .

 

[kevm3]

You’re confusing me stating Garrett’s record here against our other HC’s as though he was a better HC.

I’m simply stating that Garrett shouldn't be bashed anymore than the rest. And I might take it further in that he probably should be bashed less since he came in with no HC experience as compared with some of the other more notable championship caliber HC’s and had as much or more success .

Garretts record speaks for itself . He’s been the winningest HC this era in division titles and playoff games despite whatever coaching flaws he may have. I’ve never argued he was a better HC than any of them . Just had as much or more success.

Garrett has won maybe 2 playoff games his career, so how is he the most winningest HC in playoff games?

 

[Stash]

You’re confusing me stating Garrett’s record here against our other HC’s as though he was a better HC.

I’m simply stating that Garrett shouldn't be bashed anymore than the rest. And I might take it further in that he probably should be bashed less since he came in with no HC experience as compared with some of the other more notable championship caliber HC’s and had as much or more success .

Feel free to support that false claim.

Garrett gets rightly bashed because he was a failure. And was given a much longer tenure than he ever earned or deserved. 10 years wasted.

Garretts record speaks for itself . He’s been the winningest HC this era in division titles and playoff games despite whatever coaching flaws he may have. I’ve never argued he was a better HC than any of them . Just had as much or more success.

While clearly omitting the length of tenure he was gifted. Not fooling anyone.

 

[kevm3]

When it comes to Garrett though, I do agree that the rage should be directed towards the FO who decided to keep him way longer than they should have because they didn't want to admit failure on their experiment. We wasted the career of Romo, Ware and Dez in the process.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett has won maybe 2 playoff games his career, so how is he the most winningest HC in playoff games?

This era: which I defined as post 90’s or 21st Century.

Gailey, Campo, Parcells,McCarthy- 0
Phillips -1
Garrett- 2

 

[Diehardblues]

Feel free to support that false claim.

Garrett gets rightly bashed because he was a failure. And was given a much longer tenure than he ever earned or deserved. 10 years wasted.



While clearly omitting the length of tenure he was gifted. Not fooling anyone.

Like I said in an earlier post , if you want to include tenure then JG cumulatively won more playoff games than Gailey, Campo, Phillips, Parcells and McCarthy so far combined. That’s 13 seasons to 10 seasons .

And up until last year had won as many division titles as all combined .

JG wasn’t anymore failure than the rest this era. As a matter of fact based on my criteria he was as much or more of a success.

 

[CyberB0b]

No more retreads.

 

[Stash]

I understand and why I’ve often stated “ thus far”.

I’ve not argued JG was a better HC. Only he had as much or more success. And he doesn’t deserve anymore ridicule than our other HC’s this era based on his record.

His deserved ridicule is based on the unearned patience and tenure he received.

And I judged them only on their division titles and playoff wins .

My argument for JG has often been misconstrued .

It’s clear that you try to make excuses for him.

What’s your excuse for his run in NY?

 

[Diehardblues]

When it comes to Garrett though, I do agree that the rage should be directed towards the FO who decided to keep him way longer than they should have because they didn't want to admit failure on their experiment. We wasted the career of Romo, Ware and Dez in the process.

And we’re most likely going to waste more years and careers because the one constant is still here.

It was here long before Garrett arrived and still creating our greatest hurdle to overcome . Blaming Garrett is simply misdirected hostility . He provided arguably the best 10 years of the 21st Century so far. He came closer to finally breaking thru to a championship game appearance than any other HC this era with lone exception of Wade in 2007. JG was on the brink in 2014 and 2016 with 2 different QB’s.

The stretch from 2014-2018 winning 3 division titles and 2 playoff games is arguably the best in 21st Century.

That doesn’t mean it wasn’t still disappointing and frustrating but compared to the rest of era, the best.

 

[Stash]

Like I said in an earlier post , if you want to include tenure then JG cumulatively won more playoff games than Gailey, Campo, Phillips, Parcells and McCarthy so far combined. That’s 13 seasons to 10 seasons .

And up until last year had won as many division titles as all combined .

And had the table set for him. Unlike Gailey, Campo, and Parcells. Again you want to mislead that the playing field was level when it clearly wasn’t.

JG wasn’t anymore failure than the rest this era. As a matter of fact based on my criteria he was as much or more of a success.

He was a failure for far longer.

 

[Diehardblues]

And had the table set for him. Unlike Gailey, Campo, and Parcells. Again you want to mislead that the playing field was level when it clearly wasn’t.



He was a failure for far longer.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m only providing the results and arguing on that behalf.

Garrett had arguably better teams because he helped shape them. Parcells had built a formidable team which he and Wade didn’t have any more success with than Garrett had with his .

The bottomline is Jethro has been the failure throughout. The toxic culture is so far too much for anyone to overcome .

 

[fivetwos]

Wonder how much in NDA type consideration went to Romo to not disclose exactly how much he covered for Garrett.

Oh wait, that CBS gig was probably a coincidence. Jerry had no influence there lol.

 

[Diehardblues]

His deserved ridicule is based on the unearned patience and tenure he received.



It’s clear that you try to make excuses for him.

What’s your excuse for his run in NY?

I have no interest in NY. And don’t know enough to offer much of an opinion. His coaching abilities or lack thereof was not a topic I’m interested in.

He clearly was the most unqualified and inexperienced HC the Cowboys have ever had . But yet he turned in one of the most impressive tenures in this era for the Cowboys.

 

[kskboys]

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m only providing the results and arguing on that behalf.

Garrett had arguably better teams because he helped shape them. Parcells had built a formidable team which he and Wade didn’t have any more success with than Garrett had with his .

The bottomline is Jethro has been the failure throughout. The toxic culture is so far too much for anyone to overcome .

Man, then explain why Garrett wanted Escobar in the 2nd, a slow footed TE who couldn't block.

 

[Diehardblues]

Man, then explain why Garrett wanted Escobar in the 2nd, a slow footed TE who couldn't block.

That was an awful decision whoever it was much like Clairborne . Fortunately we had some better drafts than that during his tenure.

Again, my argument has not been on his coaching abilities or lack thereof but of his record as compared to the rest of our HC’s this era.

 

[Stash]

I have no interest in NY. And don’t know enough to offer much of an opinion. His coaching abilities or lack thereof was not a topic I’m interested in.

More willful ignorance.

He clearly was the most unqualified and inexperienced HC the Cowboys have ever had . But yet he turned in one of the most impressive tenures in this era for the Cowboys.

Because he was propped up. By the very man you want to direct all of your anger and resentment toward. Jerry Jones did every possible thing he could to attempt to make the Garrett experiment succeed.

The fact is that the guy was never head coaching material. And a decade of this franchise was wasted finding that out.

 

[Diehardblues]

More willful ignorance.



Because he was propped up. By the very man you want to direct all of your anger and resentment toward. Jerry Jones did every possible thing he could to attempt to make the Garrett experiment succeed.

The fact is that the guy was never head coaching material. And a decade of this franchise was wasted finding that out.

I’m not arguing against any of that . I’m just saying his record doesn’t warrant as much hostility or anymore than the rest of HC this era based on his record . All of your anger should be against our owner.

And we’ve wasted an entire era not just 10 years with the Jethro experiment. The list of failures is a long laundry list. And most likely will continue .

 

[Bullflop]

It seems to me that both the offense and the defense will be going through somewhat of a "retooling" period in the upcoming season. There will be a considerable number of player turnovers on offense and much the same might be said of the defense, as well.

The upcoming season is quite certain to be one of many adjustments -- which, in turn, leaves much to be seen, without haphazardly assuming disaster on either side of the ball. Many young players will be tested, which leaves plenty of room for doubts as to exactly what to expect.

I'm hoping the offense might surprise many of us with how they'll manage to adjust to their changes, while the defense may improve noticeably upon what they were last year. Let's not get ahead of ourselves by assuming disaster on either side of the ball and be content with observing how things proceed in 2022. The abundance of change will make things intriguing throughout the upcoming season. Let's just enjoy the experience of seeing it unfold.

 

[Stash]

I’m not arguing against any of that . I’m just saying his record doesn’t warrant as much hostility or anymore than the rest of HC this era based on his record . All of your anger should be against our owner.

And what I’m saying is that Jerry Jones sticking with a ‘never-was’ of a head coach fur far longer than the guy’s talent or production ever deserved doesn’t make him an acceptable coach.

Jerry Jones’ stubbornness doesn’t mean Garrett was good at the job gifted to him.

And we’ve wasted an entire era not just 10 years with the Jethro experiment. The list of failures is a long laundry list. And most likely will continue .

And there are also three Super Bowl tithes in there as well.

Conversely, Garrett couldn’t even keep a coordinator job for two years.

Without Jerry propping him up, the guy can’t get work.