The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

[khiladi]

I personally think Romo should be in a West Coast offense, because he's better up tempo and he has a quick and accurate release. Plus, it moves the pocket and their is a lot of movement.

The offense he's working in, with long developing routes I think doesn't do as much justice to Romo.

Romo is an example of what could have been..

That is the biggest frustration with Garrett tenure. Just an absolute waste with all the instability and lack of direction. They sacrificed Romo, a one on a million, for the 'growth' of the Red-headed one..

 

[Idgit]

I personally think Romo should be in a West Coast offense, because he's better up tempo and he has a quick and accurate release. Plus, it moves the pocket and their is a lot of movement.

The offense he's working in, with long developing routes I think doesn't do as much justice to Romo.

Romo is an example of what could have been..

That is the biggest frustration with Garrett tenure. Just an absolute waste with all the instability and lack of direction.

I'm with you except for the instability and the lack of direction thing. And the Romo being better in a WC offense.

 

[Garrettop]

It's pretty accurate.. Besides the fact Garrett's biggest flaw was in red-zone scoring which consistently got worse as he coached.

That and yards often masked his poor scheme. Teams simply defended deep and gave the underneath, knowing Dallas would make a mistake and end up in third and long or give up yardage knowing they couldn't score TDs when the field got shorter, because their schemes sucked.

So which is it? They went 3 and out a lot/wound up in 3rd and long a lot or chewed up a lot of yards between the twenties? You started with a contradiction and then finished by moving the goal posts in talking about red zone efficiency.

 

[khiladi]

So which is it? They went 3 and out a lot/wound up in 3rd and long a lot or chewed up a lot of yards between the twenties? You started with a contradiction and then finished by moving the goal posts in talking about red zone efficiency.

There is no contradiction. You can have both, particularly when you get your yardage in end of game scenarios are going hurry up which is the tenure of Garrett.. If it weren't for Romo it would be way worse..

There is no moving target when your talking about Garrett as a whole as it relates to what he is in control of.. Your the one who tried to isolate the argument to one thing..

 

[khiladi]

I'm with you except for the instability and the lack of direction thing. And the Romo being better in a WC offense.

They fired Wade and Ryan, changed fro a 3-4 to 4-3, changed their blocking schemes, demoted the DC to consultant and promoted his right hand man, Callahan and demoted him, have a 4 RBBC system which is unheard of in the NFL and so on, such as leveraging a draft for a bust at corner and so on.. Brought in multiple WRs to give boost to the offense that didn't work on so on..

If that's not the definition of instability, what is..

 

[khiladi]

Oh yeah and Jerry finally just started allowing Romo influence into the game plan and playbook, particularly when he alluded to it when he gave him that big contract and spoke about him having a role for him like Peyton..

Prior to that, it was all Garrett and he didn't let Romo get involved..

So this excuse for Garrett is just absurd.. What does he bring to the table?

 

[Idgit]

They fired Wade and Ryan, changed fro a 3-4 to 4-3, changed their blocking schemes, demoted the DC to consultant and promoted his right hand man, Callahan and demoted him, have a 4 RBBC system which is unheard of in the NFL and so on, such as leveraging a draft for a bust at corner and so on.. Brought in multiple WRs to give boost to the offense that didn't work on so on..

If that's not the definition of instability, what is..

It's not even close to unstable. First, you're going back 6 seasons. Second, you're talking about one scheme change on one side of the ball and a misfiring on a coordinator position. As NFL churn goes, that's nothing. You're mischaracterizing Callahan's relationship with Garrett, having 4 RBs active on gameday is not unheard of, especially when one of them you're splitting out wide most of the time as a receiver and one of them you're elevating because you want to see if he might be a legit full time RB for you later. Whiffing on a draft pick is not unheard of, either, if it turns out to be a whiff, after all. Especially on a trade that was in our favor.

You're just throwing nonsense at a wall and seeing if it sticks. It doesn't. With the possible exception of the Giants, we've been the most stable team in the NFCE during the time frame you cite by a fair margin. By NFL standards, we've been positively quiet. And that's in Dallas, where things are never quiet.

 

[plasticman]

Jason Garrett doesn't listen to the criticism, he's too busy trying to do the best he can with what he has. I doubt he even reflects too much on the devastating injuries like we do.

Times like these bring the best out in Garrett. Remember, he started this gig by turning a 1-7 first half team into a 5-3 2nd half team....with a backup quarterback who got hurt in game #15. He actually won with Stephen McGee.

In 2012 they faced devastating injury again. They ended the season with starters they got off the streets only a weak earlier.

And has Jason Garrett ever had a losing season?

The team his constantly gone through big changes and Garrett just lowers his head and continues to work.

The Cowboys will get through this and they will be stronger as a result, don't lose faith. The situation will test the team's resolve but they will continue to stick to their plan, working hard and getting better in the long run.

 

[Garrettop]

There is no contradiction. You can have both, particularly when you get your yardage in end of game scenarios are going hurry up which is the tenure of Garrett.. If it weren't for Romo it would be way worse..

There is no moving target when your talking about Garrett as a whole as it relates to what he is in control of.. Your the one who tried to isolate the argument to one thing..

If it weren't for any top QB things would be worse for any head coach.

I specifically questioned your "lot of 3 and outs" claim which a simple stats query shows to be a false claim. You went from that to red zone efficiency, which is a different claim (and one with more legitimacy).

 

[Idgit]

Jason Garrett doesn't listen to the criticism, he's too busy trying to do the best he can with what he has. I doubt he even reflects too much on the devastating injuries like we do.

Times like these bring the best out in Garrett. Remember, he started this gig by turning a 1-7 first half team into a 5-3 2nd half team....with a backup quarterback who got hurt in game #15. He actually won with Stephen McGee.

In 2012 they faced devastating injury again. They ended the season with starters they got off the streets only a weak earlier.

And has Jason Garrett ever had a losing season?

The team his constantly gone through big changes and Garrett just lowers his head and continues to work.

The Cowboys will get through this and they will be stronger as a result, don't lose faith. The situation will test the team's resolve but they will continue to stick to their plan, working hard and getting better in the long run.

I think so, too. We've never lost three games in a row under Jason, either. This week's going to put that to the test. But you're right about him just not allowing the mindset that injuries need to affect the outcomes of games. It's tough to get buy in for that when you keep losing key players week after week and you're only four weeks in, but he's going about it the right way.

If we were just clicking on defense, I think we'd start seeing players coming together again. The drops and the losing the rush players and the LB confusion last week are really making it hard on us right now.

 

[khiladi]

It's not even close to unstable. First, you're going back 6 seasons. Second, you're talking about one scheme change on one side of the ball and a misfiring on a coordinator position. As NFL churn goes, that's nothing. You're mischaracterizing Callahan's relationship with Garrett, having 4 RBs active on gameday is not unheard of, especially when one of them you're splitting out wide most of the time as a receiver and one of them you're elevating because you want to see if he might be a legit full time RB for you later. Whiffing on a draft pick is not unheard of, either, if it turns out to be a whiff, after all. Especially on a trade that was in our favor.

You're just throwing nonsense at a wall and seeing if it sticks. It doesn't. With the possible exception of the Giants, we've been the most stable team in the NFCE during the time frame you cite by a fair margin. By NFL standards, we've been positively quiet. And that's in Dallas, where things are never quiet.

Six season? The defensive changes have been the last three years, along with the Callahan changes.. Don't let facts get in the way of your claim of me 'throwing things at the wall"...

 

[khiladi]

If it weren't for any top QB things would be worse for any head coach.

I specifically questioned your "lot of 3 and outs" claim which a simple stats query shows to be a false claim. You went from that to red zone efficiency, which is a different claim (and one with more legitimacy).

I didn't see you referencing a 'simple stat query', considering that type of query would actual involve breaking down drives of actual games..

You made a claim that it was factually inaccurate and a simple Google search could refute..

You do realize there was the issue of Wade wanted to bring Dan Reeves in right and the issue of not running by Garrett was putting a lot of pressure of the defense, because the offense couldn't sustain drives.. It was either feast or famine..

 

[Idgit]

Six season? The defensive changes have been the last three years, along with the Callahan changes.. Don't let facts get in the way of your claim of me 'throwing things at the wall"...

You're the one who mentioned firing Wade. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015. That's a span that includes six seasons, if I'm counting right. I didn't say all of the nonsense you threw happened six seasons ago.

 

[Dodger12]

Romo is an example of what could have been..

That is the biggest frustration with Garrett tenure. Just an absolute waste with all the instability and lack of direction. They sacrificed Romo, a one on a million, for the 'growth' of the Red-headed one..

Yes Sir. Really, it will be the biggest sin of Jerry's tenure as owner/GM, maybe even bigger than the Jimmy fiasco since we had something to show for that.

 

[Garrettop]

I didn't see you referencing a 'simple stat query', considering that type of query would actual involve breaking down drives of actual games..

You made a claim that it was factually inaccurate and a simple Google search could refute..

You do realize there was the issue of Wade wanted to bring Dan Reeves in right and the issue of not running by Garrett was putting a lot of pressure of the defense, because the offense couldn't sustain drives.. It was either feast or famine..

Oh I see, we can't use any aggregate stats because one would need to go through all the play by plays for every game to see that you were definitely correct - and I mean play by plays for every game by every team from 2007-2009, since any claim about poor performance like that must be judged relatively. Since you're the one setting the bar absurdly high on proof without showing any, better get to work.

 

[khiladi]

Oh I see, we can't use any aggregate stats because one would need to go through all the play by plays for every game to see that you were definitely correct - and I mean play by plays for every game by every team from 2007-2009, since any claim about poor performance like that must be judged relatively. Since you're the one setting the bar absurdly high on proof without showing any, better get to work.

Where are your aggregate stats? You made a claim that this claim can easily be refuted via google, and provided no proof. I said you'd have to analyze drives, because there are no stats that one claims you can google to support your point..

So where are they? That means your original assertion that I was wrong based upon a quick Google search was simply made up..

 

[khiladi]

You're the one who mentioned firing Wade. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015. That's a span that includes six seasons, if I'm counting right. I didn't say all of the nonsense you threw happened six seasons ago.

So I'm going back six seasons, while including the seasons up to that point to talk about Garrett's TENURE here coaching and the instability around it.. Thank you..

 

[Garrettop]

Where are your aggregate stats? .........there are no stats that one claims you can google to support your point..

lol? 3rd down percentages, first down totals, red zone percentages, etc.

 

[khiladi]

lol? 3rd down percentages, first down totals, red zone percentages, etc.

So you don't have the stats right...

And why are you shifting the goalposts regarding red zone percentages? When did I say scoring in the red-zone stats weren't compiled?

 

[cowboyuptx]

Personally, I like Garrett... I hope he's our coach for the next 15 seasons... I think there's a lot to be said for organizational continuity, and if we just stick with Garrett through thick and thin, he has the right stuff to eventually lead the team to a championship.