The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

DandyDon52

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I don't think there is any question, if Garrett went to Jerry and Stephen and said he wanted to keep Murray at all costs, that he was integral, Murray wouldn't be here. I am not saying Garrett didn't want Murray, but I think he trusted his offensive line and his scouting department to cover up the loss.

Garrett went to a basketball game because he knew Murray was there, just to talk to him , after murray stopped talking to other players and coaches, cause he was mad at the jones boys.
So JG went there to talk to him about staying. this was about a week before he signed with philly.
Romo also wanted Murray to stay and offered to take a paycut to keep murray but got no response from the jones boys.
?So they wanted him to stay but the jones boys didnt want him and murray knew it.
 

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I didn't like it at the time. I got the reasoning, but I wanted Fletcher Cox or David DeCastro.

I didn't agree with the pick, but the trade-up really ticked me off. I got blasted for being a bad fan by my posters here, but I thought the whole thing stunk.
 

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My problem is Pollack doesn't have a history of success as an offensive line coach. I think they trusted their talent enough on the line to give him time to mature. I don't think it's all his fault but I definitely think losing Callahan has hurt us and Pollack hasn't adjusted well.

The Texans have missed him from the looks of things. Pollack was coaching this same Oline when it started making strides due to Callahan being the OC. There are some problems on the line this year, but it is not Pollack's fault. Not playing the starters during preseason and injuries have been big factors in the oline's play. They are behind schedule when it comes to the unit being able to gel together. They will improve a great deal by year's end. Another problem is the lack of a quality RB on the roster. The team needs a good line and a good RB to have a good rushing attack.
 

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My opinion of Garrett:

1. He has a good eye for talent.
2. He knows what it takes to win, like building the O and D lines.
3. Playcalling is not one of his strengths.
4. He's smart, the players know it and they believe in him.
5. Players Fear/respect him because of his intelligence.
6. He has the most boring robotic press conference in all of professional sports.
7. He will win a Super Bowl....in Dallas.
8. He's not Jerry's puppet like everyone thinks.
9. He's getting better every year.
10. He will be here for awhile.
 

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My opinion of Garrett:

1. He has a good eye for talent.
2. He knows what it takes to win, like building the O and D lines.
3. Playcalling is not one of his strengths.
4. He's smart, the players know it and they believe in him.
5. Players Fear/respect him because of his intelligence.
6. He has the most boring robotic press conference in all of professional sports.
7. He will win a Super Bowl....in Dallas.
8. He's not Jerry's puppet like everyone thinks.
9. He's getting better every year.
10. He will be here for awhile.

I agree completely with your #10, he's going to be similar to Bill Cowher/Andy Reid. Whatever your opinion is of him, positive or negative, he's here to stay.
 

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Garrett went to a basketball game because he knew Murray was there, just to talk to him , after murray stopped talking to other players and coaches, cause he was mad at the jones boys.
So JG went there to talk to him about staying. this was about a week before he signed with philly.
Romo also wanted Murray to stay and offered to take a paycut to keep murray but got no response from the jones boys.
?So they wanted him to stay but the jones boys didnt want him and murray knew it.

Garrett has been going to basketball games for a few year, with Romo and other players. It was part of the program of visiting schools like Duke to see how great coaches like Mike run their programs. When they are there, they also attend basketball games.

It had nothing to do with recruiting Murray specifically. I believe Murray was already slated to go as well.
 

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The Texans have missed him from the looks of things. Pollack was coaching this same Oline when it started making strides due to Callahan being the OC. There are some problems on the line this year, but it is not Pollack's fault. Not playing the starters during preseason and injuries have been big factors in the oline's play. They are behind schedule when it comes to the unit being able to gel together. They will improve a great deal by year's end. Another problem is the lack of a quality RB on the roster. The team needs a good line and a good RB to have a good rushing attack.

He was Assistant HC with the Texans. That was under Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan who ran the Shanny system of running. Is that more of a product of him?

He was OL coach with the Raiders in 2012, when DMC had one of his worst years, as they went zone blocking. The fact that they went DMC after Pollack himself was the OL coach during that time is a head scratcher.

He's not had a lot of time as OL coach in the NFL.. Only as an assistant.. That being said, he does deserve time...
 

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Well, this nice thread turned into a fat-farm wet tshirt contest real quick.

For my part, I like the threads where we criticize the coaches with supported arguments. That line between player execution v. player development v. coaching philosophy or scheme is interesting and ought to make for good debate. Unfortunately, those good topics tend to drown in a flurry of posts that second guess a play call for no reason other than it didn't work. Or that just reiterate things that can't be supported (he's just a JAG, he just stands around and claps, whatever). There's no point swatting down criticisms that have to evidence or arguments attached, but there are enough posters willing to believe things without reasons, it makes it hard to stay on topic too much of the time.

For the record, I agree that Jason's not great on game days and that that's something that noticeably improved when Linehan was added to the staff. I'm ok with that.

We do make some time management mistakes still, too, though every team does. Those are fair to criticize, but I also think it's fair to point out that it's the lack of time to consistently make great decisions that makes those calls difficult in the first place. And hindsight is 20/20. Generally speaking, I think we do a better job than most with the clock management stuff now. That wasn't the case when Garrett first took over.

So far this season, the overwhelming issue has been the fact that our personnel is not as good as it was before the injuries. Our backups aren't as good as other team's starters in many cases, and that's to be expected. The fact that our backups are confused in some fairly normal game situations, though, I consider to be legitimately on the coaches. I realize it's harder to prepare WIL3 than it is to prepare WIL1 or 2, but that comes with the dinner. You get 46 guys on a game day roster, and they all have to know their responsibilities. If a guy doesn't know to get down if he's hurt and can't get off the field, then somebody needs to call that timeout. That stuff goes directly to coaching and is legitimate criticism in my book.

That said, most of what you guys seem to think are coaching criticisms are just plays that don't work out. Or you're parroting back some (generally dumb) conclusions you've leapt to previously with very little evidence. That fact that people don't take that seriously on a message board is actually a good sign. We want a site where low-level discoursed is dismissed in favor of actual arguments.

Excellent post Idgit, as usual.

I agree that Garrett should not be criticized for lack of talent due to injuries. No, it is not his fault that he has Brandon Weedon and Terrance Williams instead of Tony Romo and Dez Bryant.

But............let me explain what he can and should be criticized for that some on here refuse to do to this day.

1. Having 12 men on the field..........this is totally inexcusable and has absolutely nothing to do with having inferior talent. Some say that with injuries that you have guys not knowing what packages they are suppose to be on. THIS IS CALLED COACHING!!! You teach the 46 guys on the roster exactly what they are supposed to do and when. This is why you practice, have film sessions, and position group meetings during the week. If all of that fails, you can count how many guys on the field there are and call a dam time out if you have to. You telling me a Princeton graduate cant count to 12? This coaching blunder costed us 3 points in a game that went to OT. Yes, coaching errors do cost your team games.

2. Not noticing when one of your players is injured and is limping around the field in OT................. This again has not one single thing to do with having inferior talent. As a head coach, if you are in OT and see one of your guys limping around, you call a dam time out and get somebody else out there instead of playing 10 vs 11 on the next play because the player is injured or his replacement is trying to sprint onto the field before the snap and is out of place. The very next play the Saints scored on a wheel route just 13 seconds into OT. Again, coaching errors cost your team games.

3. Time Management............You do not call a timeout with a 1:30 left on the clock with a first down run at the goalline coming up, as in the Atlanta game. Everybody from Eatman to Broaddus to just about everybody else in the media has called this a huge blunder. There is simply no reason to do something like this, even in college if you are even remotely aware of time management. Garrett said they wanted to make sure they had their "jumbo" package in the game. Well this goes right back to point number one, why the hell do the players not know who is on the jumbo package and who doesn't? When you say "send in the jumbo package", you should see the 11 guys on the package all huddle up, not turn to each other and say "who the hell is on the jumbo package". THIS IS CALLED COACHING.

I could go on, but I think I have made my point. Yes, Garrett should not be criticized for losing because he has inferior talent to work with. Backup WRs do not catch or get open as good as starting WRs, backup linebackers do not tackle as solid as starting linebackers, and backup DEs do not rush the passer as good as starting DEs, but there are numerous mistakes that Garrett is making that have nothing to do with injuries, it has everything to do with coaching, especially when those coaching errors directly contribute to the team losing the game.

Ok, the Garrett worshipers can now tell me how much of a fake fan and a hater I am.......you guys have at it, I am out of here for the day.........peace.
 

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The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth-----after tomm when the Cowboys win Garrett will be the man !!!!
 

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Excellent post Idgit, as usual.

I agree that Garrett should not be criticized for lack of talent due to injuries. No, it is not his fault that he has Brandon Weedon and Terrance Williams instead of Tony Romo and Dez Bryant.

But............let me explain what he can and should be criticized for that some on here refuse to do to this day.

1. Having 12 men on the field..........this is totally inexcusable and has absolutely nothing to do with having inferior talent. Some say that with injuries that you have guys not knowing what packages they are suppose to be on. THIS IS CALLED COACHING!!! You teach the 46 guys on the roster exactly what they are supposed to do and when. This is why you practice, have film sessions, and position group meetings during the week. If all of that fails, you can count how many guys on the field there are and call a dam time out if you have to. You telling me a Princeton graduate cant count to 12? This coaching blunder costed us 3 points in a game that went to OT. Yes, coaching errors do cost your team games.

2. Not noticing when one of your players is injured and is limping around the field in OT................. This again has not one single thing to do with having inferior talent. As a head coach, if you are in OT and see one of your guys limping around, you call a dam time out and get somebody else out there instead of playing 10 vs 11 on the next play because the player is injured or his replacement is trying to sprint onto the field before the snap and is out of place. The very next play the Saints scored on a wheel route just 13 seconds into OT. Again, coaching errors cost your team games.

3. Time Management............You do not call a timeout with a 1:30 left on the clock with a first down run at the goalline coming up, as in the Atlanta game. Everybody from Eatman to Broaddus to just about everybody else in the media has called this a huge blunder. There is simply no reason to do something like this, even in college if you are even remotely aware of time management. Garrett said they wanted to make sure they had their "jumbo" package in the game. Well this goes right back to point number one, why the hell do the players not know who is on the jumbo package and who doesn't? When you say "send in the jumbo package", you should see the 11 guys on the package all huddle up, not turn to each other and say "who the hell is on the jumbo package". THIS IS CALLED COACHING.

I could go on, but I think I have made my point. Yes, Garrett should not be criticized for losing because he has inferior talent to work with. Backup WRs do not catch or get open as good as starting WRs, backup linebackers do not tackle as solid as starting linebackers, and backup DEs do not rush the passer as good as starting DEs, but there are numerous mistakes that Garrett is making that have nothing to do with injuries, it has everything to do with coaching, especially when those coaching errors directly contribute to the team losing the game.

Ok, the Garrett worshipers can now tell me how much of a fake fan and a hater I am.......you guys have at it, I am out of here for the day.........peace.

What is tiresome is the same people who critisized Wade for things you mentioned above get mad if you critisize JG for the same thing.
 

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Garrett has been going to basketball games for a few year, with Romo and other players. It was part of the program of visiting schools like Duke to see how great coaches like Mike run their programs. When they are there, they also attend basketball games.

It had nothing to do with recruiting Murray specifically. I believe Murray was already slated to go as well.

Well I dont have a link but I read a article online about that, Garrett knew Murray would be there and that was only way he could talk to him
about staying.
JG and Romo wanted to keep Murray, and were for paying him, maybe not what eagles offered but higher than the last offer.
They both wanted to run same offense as last year and keeping murray was the best way to do that.

And as we have seen our run game is in turmoil. and not the same offense as last year.
 

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Our staff trotted out the same garbage game plan and personnel as our last two losses. Inexcusable.

You can't blame them for losing Romo and Dez, but you certainly can blame them for churning out the same crap three games in a row. They're simply gutless.
 
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