The Jerry Sandusky Trial Thread *Sandusky Guilty - Post #93*

[casmith07]

Yep. It's too soon to overreact, but, man, if it turns out this was all allowed to happen with the input of multiple adults...if I were one of my kids who was a subsequent victim, I'd be in a murderous rage over how this looks to have gone down.

If I were at Penn State I'd be looking to transfer.

If I were an alum, I'd be very, very upset.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It doesn't matter to the child,

Seems like the most important thing to me.

but we're discussing how to prevent such things from taking place to one's own offspring. A couple people in here have decided that it best to hover over their children 24/7/365, and shelter them away from the cold, cruel world and make sure they get to know personally every single adult that the child is in contact with.

Sounds like a good idea to me, .. seems like a small price to pay for a few years until your child is old enough to know who to stay away from on his own, .. and how to take care of himself.

Like I said, one in a million are not good odds for me.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is going to sound crazy, and probably quite a bit insensitive, but I think the university is lucky that Paterno died. There's a very real chance he'd be facing indictment sometime in the coming months or years. This way they get to keep deifying the guy. Yes, his record is blemished but it's a helluva lot better to have a blemished record than to actually be a convicted felon.

No doubt. What's more, he's lucky that he died.

Any maybe not coincidental considering he had to know what was coming.

 

[Rogah]

If I were at Penn State I'd be looking to transfer.

If I were an alum, I'd be very, very upset.

I remember about 10 months ago saying that the value of a Penn State degree has decreased. The value of a degree is tied in directly to the prestige of the university, and the university has sure lost a helluva lot of prestige, hence my belief that a degree from Penn State is not as valuable as it was 10 months ago.

This statement was a very unpopular one in this forum. However, I've seen nothing in the past 9 months to change my mind.

 

[casmith07]

I remember about 10 months ago saying that the value of a Penn State degree has decreased. The value of a degree is tied in directly to the prestige of the university, and the university has sure lost a helluva lot of prestige, hence my belief that a degree from Penn State is not as valuable as it was 10 months ago.

This statement was a very unpopular one in this forum. However, I've seen nothing in the past 9 months to change my mind.

I agree completely. The value and presitge of the university is certainly diminished.

 

[joseephuss]

I remember about 10 months ago saying that the value of a Penn State degree has decreased. The value of a degree is tied in directly to the prestige of the university, and the university has sure lost a helluva lot of prestige, hence my belief that a degree from Penn State is not as valuable as it was 10 months ago.

This statement was a very unpopular one in this forum. However, I've seen nothing in the past 9 months to change my mind.

I agree completely. The value and presitge of the university is certainly diminished.

I agree. What is strange to me is that a couple of weeks ago Colin Cowherd was saying that Penn St. was having one of their better recruiting seasons for football. I wonder if that will change once signing day arrives and more and more news leaks out. I would think it would have to change.

 

[Kingsmith88]

I remember about 10 months ago saying that the value of a Penn State degree has decreased. The value of a degree is tied in directly to the prestige of the university, and the university has sure lost a helluva lot of prestige, hence my belief that a degree from Penn State is not as valuable as it was 10 months ago.

This statement was a very unpopular one in this forum. However, I've seen nothing in the past 9 months to change my mind.

I agree completely. The value and presitge of the university is certainly diminished.

Image is tarnished but the degree isn't worth less. It doesn't even make sense to say that and you have nothing but your opinion to base it on.

 

[Kingsmith88]

I agree. What is strange to me is that a couple of weeks ago Colin Cowherd was saying that Penn St. was having one of their better recruiting seasons for football. I wonder if that will change once signing day arrives and more and more news leaks out. I would think it would have to change.

He said that the other day, unless it was a best of show because of the Holiday. Honestly I doubt it changes much if any. Everyone involved is no longer there.

 

[casmith07]

Image is tarnished but the degree isn't worth less. It doesn't even make sense to say that and you have nothing but your opinion to base it on.

Of course it's not techincally "worth" less...tuition costs haven't changed.

But compared to 12 months ago to today...if I'm hiring someone I'd give deference to another school over a Penn State grad. Just the lay of the land.

 

[Kingsmith88]

Of course it's not techincally "worth" less...tuition costs haven't changed.

But compared to 12 months ago to today...if I'm hiring someone I'd give deference to another school over a Penn State grad. Just the lay of the land.

Sorry, that makes absolutly no sense to me. I doubt very much many employeers think like that. I hire people reguarly that wouldn't even cross my mind. If you were my employee and you used that as a criteria for hiring your subordinates, I'd fire you.

 

[Rogah]

Sorry, that makes absolutly no sense to me.

Well it makes sense to many, many people.

I doubt very much many employeers think like that. I hire people reguarly that wouldn't even cross my mind. If you were my employee and you used that as a criteria for hiring your subordinates, I'd fire you.

Just because you don't do something doesn't mean no one else does. Simple and undeniable fact of the matter is that the value of a degree is heavily tied into the prestige of the university from which it was obtained and simple fact of the matter is that Penn State has lost an awful lot of prestige over the past 10 months. If you don't think their national ranking will be going down quite a bit in the coming years, you're crazy. Even if it's subconscious, do you really want the first "word association" someone has when they look at your resume "child molestor U."?

BTW, the Penn State administration and career counseling services agree with me enough that they've taken proactive steps to prevent this from happening, or at least minimize the effects. So they certainly see it as a very real possibility.

 

[jobberone]

Well it makes sense to many, many people.

Just because you don't do something doesn't mean no one else does. Simple and undeniable fact of the matter is that the value of a degree is heavily tied into the prestige of the university from which it was obtained and simple fact of the matter is that Penn State has lost an awful lot of prestige over the past 10 months. If you don't think their national ranking will be going down quite a bit in the coming years, you're crazy. Even if it's subconscious, do you really want the first "word association" someone has when they look at your resume "child molestor U."?

BTW, the Penn State administration and career counseling services agree with me enough that they've taken proactive steps to prevent this from happening, or at least minimize the effects. So they certainly see it as a very real possibility.

This has damaged the university and its alumni a great deal and will continue to do so for a long time. I don't think it will mean the difference between a job or not for the overwhelming majority of grads though.

 

[Kingsmith88]

Well it makes sense to many, many people.

It may make sense to people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Just because you don't do something doesn't mean no one else does. Simple and undeniable fact of the matter is that the value of a degree is heavily tied into the prestige of the university from which it was obtained and simple fact of the matter is that Penn State has lost an awful lot of prestige over the past 10 months.

Penn State football sure. The degree absolutely not, the prestige of having a degree PSU degree has not been tarnished. The have some of the best academic programs in the country.

If you don't think their national ranking will be going down quite a bit in the coming years, you're crazy. Even if it's subconscious, do you really want the first "word association" someone has when they look at your resume "child molestor U."?

I think you don't know what you are talking about and speaking from a place of emotion. It isn't rational.

BTW, the Penn State administration and career counseling services agree with me enough that they've taken proactive steps to prevent this from happening, or at least minimize the effects. So they certainly see it as a very real possibility.

 

[Kingsmith88]

This has damaged the university and its alumni a great deal and will continue to do so for a long time. I don't think it will mean the difference between a job or not for the overwhelming majority of grads though.

It has no effect on the PSU Alum. How could it. That doesn't even make sense.

 

[joseephuss]

It may make sense to people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.


Penn State football sure. The degree absolutely not, the prestige of having a degree PSU degree has not been tarnished. The have some of the best academic programs in the country.

I think you don't know what you are talking about and speaking from a place of emotion. It isn't rational.

You assume that everyone will be thinking of things rationally. That is a mistake. There are people out there that look at it emotionally and hold the image of what has transpired to the university as a whole. That doesn't mean it is the right thing to do or the rational thing to do, but it does happen. Even if it is just a minority of people doing it, it does happen and matters deeply to that minority of people.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

From the onset I was outraged by Paterno's actions and I feel I basically saw things for what they were.

Part of this was from my prior experience with Penn State. I used to date a girl who was on an athletic scholarship at Penn State. I would go to visit her about once a month from my then home in Upstate NY. The football players were rather notorious for getting in trouble with the law, having it cleaned up by police and then nothing happen. The school (and students) were basically brainwashed into thinking 'Joe Pa will handle it', but when these players were still playing on Saturday it seemed to me that it was hogwash. Furthermore, when she was there, there was a fairly famous player who beat up his girlfriend akin to the way Lawrence Phillips beat up his gf at Nebraska. And NOTHING was done about it. She was in the dorms where they roomed most of the other female athletes and they all knew about that player and steered clear from him after the incident. But again, the mindset of 'Joe Pa will handle this' was in effect. And the player never got suspended.

So my experience told me that PSU wasn't a squeeky clean program. In fact, less than 10 years ago PSU players were finally building up quite the rap sheet and ESPN asked Paterno about this and Paterno left in a huff and called it a 'witch hunt.' ESPN, which has no backbone or sense of morality, mysteriously dropped it and then started to pump the 'Joe Paterno is all things holy' hype machine.

Go figure.

All of that being said, I know I would personally not devalue a person's Penn State degree because of the incident. If they can do the job and have some brains along with integrity and ethics, then I have no qualms in hiring them. Even still, I can't say that everybody will have the same rationale. But I believe most will because when it comes to money, people tend to put beliefs aside.

I just devalue the person who still tries to spin Paterno as the good guy. It's not that I think these people are evil or that they really condone molestation. Or even if they favor football over kids being molested. I think it speaks to them having this unwavering motive to never admit that they are wrong and that really bothers me. Particularly if I'm going to hire somebody who may be wrong on something and then try to lie to cover their tracks or pass the blame onto somebody else. If they do that for Paterno, a person they probably didn't even know, then they'll certainly do it for themselves at the drop of a hat.








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