The most recent 2nd Round pick that will be available week 1

[Stash]

They and I mean the organization needs to stop trying to hit home runs and do like smart teams do put together singles and doubles and score some runs.

Exactly. It's been an all or nothing strategy that has been giving us far too much nothing in terms of contributions.

 

[Stash]

Don't we get an extra year or some kind of option if he's on IR for the year?

None as far as I know.Ive never seen teams get years added to contracts when players don't play before. Player gets paid while injured, team is out the money and the contributions.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It seems that they do not downgrade the high risk players as much as other teams and never seem to realize it. They always have that guy with a "first round grade" that miraculously falls to them every year.

At least they went with the injury risk this year. I like that option over the off the field issues.

The problem with Jones is pretty clear to me. Because of his ineptitude as an owner and his affinity to always think we can win the SB each year he has to get desperate. "If we only had a pass rush we could win it all" bla bla bla. We are always one player away which for the last 15 or so years or whatever has been a complete miscalculation and analysis of his personnel. When you are desperate and impatient you reach and take risks. Some GM's cross guys like Gregory off their list entirely. Jones probably salivates knowing that it will force the guy to drop in the draft and he may be able to get a first round talent in the 2nd round. I certainly have that mentality in fantasy football. Brady will drop this year because of his 4 game suspension. I love that. But you cant run your real football team like its fantasy.

But give me the injury risk over the mental and emotional issues if I have to choose. But the most horrifying thing I read about Jerry and Gregory in the last couple days is the quote from Jerry. Jerry said that he sat down with the kid and Gregory was up front with him saying that he knows he has a big problem but that he is going to try and work through it. Jerry loved that about him. Honesty is one thing, but when a kid comes straight out and tells you that he has problems and the red flags dont come up there isnt much hope for us.

And the truth of the matter is that we should all be really pissed right now. If Jerry had drafted well beyond the first round in the last 6 years we REALLY could be competing for championships year in and year out. Its almost as if we go into each year without a 2nd round pick. Its unreal how bad of a GM he is. And he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again.

He is too nice a guy and he is too much of a fan of the team to be a good GM.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly. It's been an all or nothing strategy that has been giving us far too much nothing in terms of contributions.

But it goes beyond the draft with signing like McClain and the Kraken. Now I certainly am not opposed to once in a while if the team is actually SB ready. But that should be far and few between. And guys like McClain should be dumped the moment they continue to screw up.

 

[Stash]

But it goes beyond the draft with signing like McClain and the Kraken. Now I certainly am not opposed to once in a while if the team is actually SB ready. But that should be far and few between. And guys like McClain should be dumped the moment they continue to screw up.

I agree with you. And I supported taking those risks for quite some time. The difference is that I've realized my mistake and changed my position. Given current indicators, this team still hasn't. Of course, it's easier for me as I'm not paying the bills, but I would like to see some indicators of change happen.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree with you. And I supported taking those risks for quite some time. The difference is that I've realized my mistake and changed my position. Given current indicators, this team still hasn't. Of course, it's easier for me as I'm not paying the bills, but I would like to see some indicators of change happen.

I was all for signing the Kraken. And I was all for not resigning him. I also would have cut him the moment he started missing meetings. With Romo down and the season lost why wouldnt you use that golden opportunity to set an example?

Do you know why? Because up until the 14th game of the season Jerry thought we still had a shot and Romo might be able to come back for the playoffs remember? LOL

 

[Stash]

I was all for signing the Kraken. And I was all for not resigning him. I also would have cut him the moment he started missing meetings.

I see this as an unfounded assumption. Mike Fisher was the only guy who bothered to put in the research and do the work to actually find out what was going on with Greg Hardy. He found two instances where he was late. That's it. No "missed meetings" of any kind, but that hasn't stopped people from assuming it as fact.

With Romo down and the season lost why wouldnt you use that golden opportunity to set an example?

Do you know why? Because up until the 14th game of the season Jerry thought we still had a shot and Romo might be able to come back for the playoffs remember? LOL

Again, if his actions actually warranted it, he should have been cut. But he wasn't. And I think that's what we haven't and never will get the truth. Because it would only serve to shine a light on the true internal dysfunction going on with this team and would paint both the coach and the GM in a terrible light.

 

[Denim Chicken]

None as far as I know.Ive never seen teams get years added to contracts when players don't play before. Player gets paid while injured, team is out the money and the contributions.

I thought I read that if he spends the entire year on NFI he'll be a restricted free agent in 2020 instead of an unrestricted free agent. Anyway, we already are getting a discount by paying him as a second rounder instead of a first.

 

[zrinkill]

How did this become a Hardy thread ........jebus ....... this idiot thug is gonna haunt this board longer than Quincy and Owens put together.

 

[Stash]

I thought I read that if he spends the entire year on NFI he'll be a restricted free agent in 2020 instead of an unrestricted free agent. Anyway, we already are getting a discount by paying him as a second rounder instead of a first.

Really? So paying him second round money and getting 0 return is a "discount"? And getting 3 years on a rookie contract instead of four is a "discount"?

I think it's that flawed logic that's played a large part in getting us to where we are.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Really? So paying him second round money and getting 0 return is a "discount"? And getting 3 years on a rookie contract instead of four is a "discount"?

I think it's that flawed logic that's played a large part in getting us to where we are.

It remains to be seen if we're getting 0 in return.

If he plays next year, and we get 4 years (with option) on his rookie contract of him playing like a 1st rounder. How is that not a discount?

So his total contract value is $6,494,970.

the 5th pick in the draft (where many projected him) is $23,351,000

 

[CowboyRoy]

I see this as an unfounded assumption. Mike Fisher was the only guy who bothered to put in the research and do the work to actually find out what was going on with Greg Hardy. He found two instances where he was late. That's it. No "missed meetings" of any kind, but that hasn't stopped people from assuming it as fact.



Again, if his actions actually warranted it, he should have been cut. But he wasn't. And I think that's what we haven't and never will get the truth. Because it would only serve to shine a light on the true internal dysfunction going on with this team and would paint both the coach and the GM in a terrible light.

yah, I guess I only am privy to the information I can read. But werent there also allegations that he was not the best team type of guy. Leader ect....ect.... He was rubbing people the wrong way?

 

[Stash]

It remains to be seen if we're getting 0 in return.

If he plays next year, and we get 4 years (with option) on his rookie contract of him playing like a 1st rounder. How is that not a discount?

He's a second rounder, there is no "option". I think this is where you're off track.

 

[DeaconMoss]

is the 30 year old Sean Lee, whom we drafted in 2010.

Carter
Escobar
Lawrence
Gregory
Smith

Just an absolute indictment on the ineptitude of this front office.

Im all for taking risks like Rico Gathers.....in the 6th round.
But Second round is blue chip pedigree. Those guys can start day one quite often, but we blow our 2nd round picks repeatedly.

 

[Denim Chicken]

He's a second rounder, there is no "option". I think this is where you're off track.

Snap, I didn't know that was just for 1st rounders. That sucks.

At least he'll be restricted.

 

[Stash]

yah, I guess I only am privy to the information I can read. But werent there also allegations that he was not the best team type of guy. Leader ect....ect.... He was rubbing people the wrong way?

There were plenty of them, but without anything substantial, all that's left is for people to assume and interpret things any way they see fit.

Me? I'd take a guy like Hardy (or Charles Haley, or Lawrence Taylor) who "rubbed people the wrong way" and produced, over guys who would rather smoke weed, get suspended, and screw over the entire organization in the process, but that's just me.

 

[Stash]

Snap, I didn't know that was just for 1st rounders. That sucks.

At least he'll be restricted.

He won't be that either. After 4 years, he's a free agent, lost season or not.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11327/jaylon-smith

 

[Aven8]

Escobar and Bennett were all on JG and not risky picks, just lousy ones.

This goes back to skipping out on Moss after Michael screwed up with Jerry. He continues to take the risk hoping he finds a HOF that Moss became!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Me? I'd take a guy like Hardy (or Charles Haley, or Lawrence Taylor) who "rubbed people the wrong way" and produced, over guys who would rather smoke weed, get suspended, and screw over the entire organization in the process, but that's just me.[/quote]

If they produced and didnt undermine the coach or the team, I am fine with it. But when you team is middling, I see no need for it. Although Taylor I would take on any team, any time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Escobar and Bennett were all on JG and not risky picks, just lousy ones.

This goes back to skipping out on Moss after Michael screwed up with Jerry. He continues to take the risk hoping he finds a HOF that Moss became!

That was the draft that I began to really lose faith in management. And they have been screwing up ever since. Passing on Moss was the biggest mistake we ever made in the draft. I still remember the day and where I was.