The most recent 2nd Round pick that will be available week 1

[CowboyRoy]

There were plenty of them, but without anything substantial, all that's left is for people to assume and interpret things any way they see fit.

Me? I'd take a guy like Hardy (or Charles Haley, or Lawrence Taylor) who "rubbed people the wrong way" and produced, over guys who would rather smoke weed, get suspended, and screw over the entire organization in the process, but that's just me.

I think we can also agree that you can take more risks when you have better coaching. Jimmy could manage them all. Garrett? Not so much................

 

[jazzcat22]

They think they are out smarting all the other teams, when all they do is out dumb themselves.
Way too many risks taken. They still use the 6th and 7th rounds as those "take a shot" type players. Stephen Jones even said that himself. That they typically use the 7th round, but since they didn't have a 7th round this year, they used the 6th round......just strange...seems to me throwing away picks.
Now this 2nd round on Gregory is back firing. Unless he comes out of rehab and is great from that point forward. This teams need to really changes the culture.
Maybe their in house programs aren't as good as they think they are.

 

[Stash]

If they produced and didnt undermine the coach or the team, I am fine with it. But when you team is middling, I see no need for it. Although Taylor I would take on any team, any time.

I think we all know that the team was "middling" because of issues on the offense, not because of the defense. And despite not having the overall sack numbers hoped for, Hardy was still the team's more feared and most effective pass rusher. People assuming that Lawrence will improve upon his 2015 numbers without Hardy drawing double-teams, not to mention coming off of both suspension and back surgery, are kidding themselves.

Signed today, Greg Hardy would again be the most accomplished, feared, and game-planned-for pass rusher on the team. And people can say whatever else they want beyond that, but that's the simple truth.

 

[Stash]

I think we can also agree that you can take more risks when you have better coaching. Jimmy could manage them all. Garrett? Not so much................

Totally agree. Stronger coaches like Johnson and Parcells could handle difficult players like these where others can't.

 

[Aven8]

I think we all know that the team was "middling" because of issues on the offense, not because of the defense. And despite not having the overall sack numbers hoped for, Hardy was still the team's more feared and most effective pass rusher. People assuming that Lawrence will improve upon his 2015 numbers without Hardy drawing double-teams, not to mention coming off of both suspension and back surgery, are kidding themselves.

Signed today, Greg Hardy would again be the most accomplished, feared, and game-planned-for pass rusher on the team. And people can say whatever else they want beyond that, but that's the simple truth.

Yep. That's what I don't get from the fans on here. We heard a couple of reports last year that he was late, and partied, etc and now we don't want him here?? After a 4-12 season we were all pissed and he probably was as well!

 

[superjoe]

Lets knock him down to the 6 round. Let him have his fun there where he can't hurt anyone.

Yea at least he isn't doing this crap in the 1st anymore!

I feel like he tries to make a splash with his pick in he second round, with Gregory he tried to be the only smart man in the room and it totally back fired so far, the kid has an addiction and in this league its a substance that will cost you a lot of missed plays on the field.

 

[Satchel89]

It's sickening. They fail miserably every year in the 2nd round. The same thing this year. It's ridiculous taking a player that they hope will play next year. And I'm not hating on the guy. I want him to be able to play and help the team. But I'm so burnt out with them drafting and hoping. And now we get to hear on television all day how stupid the Cowboys are and I can't argue with them.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think we all know that the team was "middling" because of issues on the offense, not because of the defense. And despite not having the overall sack numbers hoped for, Hardy was still the team's more feared and most effective pass rusher. People assuming that Lawrence will improve upon his 2015 numbers without Hardy drawing double-teams, not to mention coming off of both suspension and back surgery, are kidding themselves.

Signed today, Greg Hardy would again be the most accomplished, feared, and game-planned-for pass rusher on the team. And people can say whatever else they want beyond that, but that's the simple truth.

I agree, but you wouldnt sign him correct? Not with all the suspensions and current state of the team?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yea at least he isn't doing this crap in the 1st anymore!

I feel like he tries to make a splash with his pick in he second round, with Gregory he tried to be the only smart man in the room and it totally back fired so far, the kid has an addiction and in this league its a substance that will cost you a lot of missed plays on the field.

I really dont see how people get addicted to pot. It is not an addictive drug. Not to the point where you cant stop if your career depends on it. But I do think that Gregory has anxiety and mental issues which cause him to NEED to smoke pot to cope. And LEAD him to make poor decisions.

 

[Stash]

I agree, but you wouldnt sign him correct? Not with all the suspensions and current state of the team?

I would. Things are that desperate right now.

Give him a deal where you can cut him with little impact and no uncertain terms that if he screws up even a little, he's gone.

And stick to it.

The team was big on 'second chances' talk last season when they signed him. Back that up by giving him a second chance to fix his behavior. If he doesn't, slam the door and don't look back.

 

[Blackspider214]

But but everyone said how we draft much better these days...

Which is the biggest myth out there. Drafting is still terrible aside from them now hitting on their 1st round picks. Anything after that is pathetic.

 

[Derinyar]

I agree with you. And I supported taking those risks for quite some time. The difference is that I've realized my mistake and changed my position. Given current indicators, this team still hasn't. Of course, it's easier for me as I'm not paying the bills, but I would like to see some indicators of change happen.

I think where I'm at is simple. Each of the picks was defensible in and of itself. When you take them as a collection you have to question the philosophy that lead to them as a whole. Gregory was too great of a value to pass up at 60. Tank had issues at BSU but he was the last potential RDE on the board so it made sense to go get him. Escobar is actually the safe pick in there, we just picked him for a system we don't run. So outside of Escobar its basically a collection of gambles to trade up a round in general. You have to hit on those more then we do to justify not getting the core starters you pass up by taking those risks. So far we haven't, and that's much of the hole in our defense currently.

 

[Shinaoi]

Jerry outsmarting them all again in the second round.

 

[reddyuta]

our FO thinks they are the cleverest bunch in the league ,they have consistently used our 2nd picks on injured guys and more damning on guys with questionable character,you reap what you sow.

 

[zrinkill]

Escobar and Bennett were all on JG and not risky picks, just lousy ones.

This goes back to skipping out on Moss after Michael screwed up with Jerry. He continues to take the risk hoping he finds a HOF that Moss became!

That is exactly it.

 

[jblaze2004]

i hated the escobar pick. We get rid of bennett to waste another 2nd round pick on a blocking TE smh. Dumb. What made it even dumber is I wanted Bell (pittsburge now start RB). Instead we have a jag in escobar.

 

[wileedog]

I thought the premise of this post was that none of the second round picks were available to start the season.

In fairness, even if Escobar was healthy and available to start the season, would anyone notice?

 

[Stash]

I think where I'm at is simple. Each of the picks was defensible in and of itself. When you take them as a collection you have to question the philosophy that lead to them as a whole. Gregory was too great of a value to pass up at 60. Tank had issues at BSU but he was the last potential RDE on the board so it made sense to go get him.

And they were 'must have's' based off of prior mistakes. Had to get Lawrence because Spencer was done and you painted yourself into a salary cap corner with Ware due to sins of the past.

31 other teams didn't feel that "Gregory was too great of a value to pass up at 60". And all 31 were proven right while this team was proven wrong.

Escobar is actually the safe pick in there, we just picked him for a system we don't run.

That's an organizational debacle the, not anything resembling an excuse.

So outside of Escobar its basically a collection of gambles to trade up a round in general. You have to hit on those more then we do to justify not getting the core starters you pass up by taking those risks. So far we haven't, and that's much of the hole in our defense currently.

It's a clear pattern of failure is what it is. Some through chance and bad luck, others self-inflicted. None of it good, and all of it contributing to the issues we now face.

Missing on one 2nd round pick is bad enough, missing on years' worth? That really hurts.

 

[Stash]

In fairness, even if Escobar was healthy and available to start the season, would anyone notice?

Quoted for truth.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

This is where I usually will jump in to defend them, but I can't. Not even a little.

Not good!