CFZ The murky thinking behind the Trey Lance trade

Chasing6 said:
Hilarious. No one will trade for Trance. $5.3M for him this year is too much already. He is due $25M next year. If anything they will wait an offer him a vet minimum contract as a free agent.

Comp picks? Are you serious, do you know how they are calculated?

Do you really believe next year he will be a starting QB anywhere?
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We'll see.
 
Chasing6 said:
Neither will Trance. At best in the NFL he will be a long term back up with zero experience and a lot of potential.

Best move for Trance is go learn how to play QB, not athlete, in the USFL, Canadian league or Arena football.

GM's that see potential in a hybrid QB/RB, that has not demonstrated they can actually play QB are luckily to have jobs.

Maybe we should trade up for a WR that breaks a lot of tackles, because they have a lot of potential at RB.
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FIRST: That's opinion only. With Rush there are the facts of a 7 year career to look at.

SECOND: There is no logical foundation for saying a player has to be in the USFL to develop. The old school method of having a draft pick QB sit for a few years was always considered the best way, but because of the money involved teams had to start playing QB's earlier. Lance could benefit from the time.

FOURTH: It's pretty nonsensical to suggest he is just an athlete & hasn't shown traits of a QB given that (A) he threw 28 TD passes with ZERO Int's, and (B) coming out of college he was consistently evaluated as having a very high football IQ and that he is a film junkie who studies the game

FIFTH: It's been consistently proven that college doesn't automatically define a player in the NFL. All players have to adapt to NFL systems.

SIXTH: QB's capable of both running and passing are having success in the NFL. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts ...
 
Bobhaze said:
Ok but if they extend Dak for two more years, what will that mean for Lance? I can’t make it make sense.
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It’s a low cost, low risk look to see if he can be a player. If not you lost a 4th rnd pick. But if he can be developed you can keep him as backup or trade him. He was never gonna see the field last year because that was the mistake the 49ers made. Played him too soon. Many players aren’t ready day one, some get tossed out there to dunk or swim. But what GB did with Love is the best way to develop a guy. The reason teams don’t is simply because by the time they are really ready they are up for a new deal
 
KingintheNorth said:
a 4th round pick with a two-year, $6,250,717 deal and no realistic chance of proving himself. Throw in a $25M option that you have to pull the trigger on in just over a month.

Teams were offering a 6th for Lance and a 7th. Jerry came in and offered a 4th.

I typically applaud trading for a young player.."Gamble on talent". This was a bad trade. One of many on Jerry's GM resume.
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I haven’t seen anywhere that his option is 25. But I suspect they extend him this year. It’s a benefit to him to learn and develop. Pay him a couple mil which is about all he could get in FA anyway
 
KingintheNorth said:
He will be unrestricted. He is likely to want to go somewhere that gives him an opportunity to start.
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Yeah I would be thrilled if they could extend him at a normal backup rate, but that seems like a longshot. Even if he were OK with a lesser rate I have to imagine he would prefer to go somewhere with a chance to compete for a starting spot. If Dak gets extended that's not even a conversation.
 
conner01 said:
I haven’t seen anywhere that his option is 25. But I suspect they extend him this year. It’s a benefit to him to learn and develop. Pay him a couple mil which is about all he could get in FA anyway
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2023 Fifth-Year Option Salaries for Players Who Do Not Meet Any Criterion​

  • Quarterback | $20.272 million
  • Running Back | $5.461 million
  • Wide Receiver | $12.987 million
  • Tight End | $6.567 million
  • Offensive Lineman | $13.565 million
  • Defensive End | $12.141 million
  • Defensive Tackle | $10.455 million
  • Linebacker | $11.727 million
  • Cornerback | $11.514 million
  • Safety | $7.679 million
  • Kicker/Punter | $3.712 million
 
OmerV said:
FIRST: That's opinion only. With Rush there are the facts of a 7 year career to look at.

SECOND: There is no logical foundation for saying a player has to be in the USFL to develop. The old school method of having a draft pick QB sit for a few years was always considered the best way, but because of the money involved teams had to start playing QB's earlier. Lance could benefit from the time.

FOURTH: It's pretty nonsensical to suggest he is just an athlete & hasn't shown traits of a QB given that (A) he threw 28 TD passes with ZERO Int's, and (B) coming out of college he was consistently evaluated as having a very high football IQ and that he is a film junkie who studies the game

FIFTH: It's been consistently proven that college doesn't automatically define a player in the NFL. All players have to adapt to NFL systems.

SIXTH: QB's capable of both running and passing are having success in the NFL. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts ...
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Trance has been sitting for his entire life. Most QB's that get drafted started at least 2 years in HS, get a D1 Scholarship, played D1 and started multiple years.

I have never seen someone that never played QB, get drafted, sit for a few years to watch and learn how to play QB by osmosis.
 
OmerV said:
FIRST: That's opinion only. With Rush there are the facts of a 7 year career to look at.

SECOND: There is no logical foundation for saying a player has to be in the USFL to develop. The old school method of having a draft pick QB sit for a few years was always considered the best way, but because of the money involved teams had to start playing QB's earlier. Lance could benefit from the time.

FOURTH: It's pretty nonsensical to suggest he is just an athlete & hasn't shown traits of a QB given that (A) he threw 28 TD passes with ZERO Int's, and (B) coming out of college he was consistently evaluated as having a very high football IQ and that he is a film junkie who studies the game

FIFTH: It's been consistently proven that college doesn't automatically define a player in the NFL. All players have to adapt to NFL systems.

SIXTH: QB's capable of both running and passing are having success in the NFL. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts ...
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Just so you are aware after SECOND, and before FOURTH, is THIRD.
 
Chasing6 said:
That is more if reference to GM Jeruh.
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I'm sure the bashing his high school career and not getting D1 offers is more in reference to Jerry too? Saying he needs to go play in the USFL?

You hate Lance just as much as the Dak bashers hate Dak, it's just the opposite side of the spectrum.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
I'm sure the bashing his high school career and not getting D1 offers is more in reference to Jerry too? Saying he needs to go play in the USFL?

You hate Lance just as much as the Dak bashers hate Dak, it's just the opposite side of the spectrum.
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No. I honest believe for the best way for him to become an NFL starting QB is to go get experience playing the QB position. Sitting is not going to help him, he has been sitting his entire life. He needs game reps. Not watching reps.
 
Jimbo123 said:
His only real option to learn how to be a QB in the NFL.
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He needs to go the Kurt Warner, Doug Fluite route to get experience. Not that Kurt or Doug needed the experience, they just needed GM's to open their eyes and to be given a chance in the NFL.

Trance has had opportunities in the NFL, he lacks experience and for sitting the last 4 years, this year being 5, is not going to help hime with experience.

Potential can only be developed through playing time!!!
 
Rayman70 said:
Jerry did the right thing. We basically gave up close to nothing on a young QB with the tools to be good if he can be honed. I cant bash Jerry for that. I doubt MM had any issue with it either. Its a nonstory.
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I wouldn’t call giving up a 4th round pick as giving up next to nothing. Dak and Pollard were 4th round picks and so was Jake Ferguson.
 
Rayman70 said:
Jerry did the right thing. We basically gave up close to nothing on a young QB with the tools to be good if he can be honed. I cant bash Jerry for that. I doubt MM had any issue with it either. Its a nonstory.
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A 4th and $5.3M is a tremendous amount for someone who will never play for the Cowboys.

Dak will be resigned. Trance will be a free agent next year.
 
Chasing6 said:
No. I honest believe for the best way for him to become an NFL starting QB is to go get experience playing the QB position. Sitting is not going to help him, he has been sitting his entire life. He needs game reps. Not watching reps.
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What do you think backup QBs do all year? Just watch film and hand out water on the sidelines? How did Jordan Love sit for three years and then become a monster as an NFL starter? Recommending a guy sacrifice millions of dollars to to go play in the USFL against inferior competition is some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

Jerry traded a 4th for him last year and while I completely understand why that move is controversial and possibly a mistake he still demanded a 4th rounder. No way he doesnt have multiple suitors as a free agent next year.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
What do you think backup QBs do all year? Just watch film and hand out water on the sidelines? How did Jordan Love sit for three years and then become a monster as an NFL starter? Recommending a guy sacrifice millions of dollars to to go play in the USFL against inferior competition is some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

Jerry traded a 4th for him last year and while I completely understand why that move is controversial and possibly a mistake he still demanded a 4th rounder. No way he doesnt have multiple suitors as a free agent next year.
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Jordan Love played in College and HS. He got plenty of game reps. The emergency 3rd QB does not get reps. Only on the scout team.
 
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