The nerve is officially firing***merged***

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you had to read a book to figure out how to make friends? I bet you're fun at parties bro

Yeah. . . . that's what I wrote. . . .

The book is a bit dated but it still gives an interesting outlook on human behavior. I'm always up for learning and trying new things. That certainly does make for interesting parties.

 

[Sarge]

I would say StephenA but he actually has provided some amusement for me.

You're alone.

 

[Jarv]

if they would picture fuzzy in a cute little white fuzzy dress, he would be a lot less threatening

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Lol...Flashbacks from the waterboy.

 

[Pants]

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What do you know? 32 and counting!

 

[waldoputty]

You're alone.

admit it, you secretly watch it with a smile on your face...
it is so bad you cannot stop watching...

 

[waldoputty]

Lol...Flashbacks from the waterboy.

did not see the movie, please elaborate

 

[Wood]

I would say StephenA but he actually has provided some amusement for me.

I knew I didn't like you.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[Fletch]

Post the answers to these questions! Please, sir.

 

[zrinkill]

Stephen Jones answering questions on Cowboys FB Live, said in last couple days they've received "even more encouraging" Jaylon Smith news

Stop it ......... I am excited enough

 

[Beats_By_Zeke]

He has DNA relating him to Dick Butkus?

 

[waldoputty]

So the FO has learned something about marketing from Jaylon

 

[Qbert]

During a Thursday morning Facebook Live interview on the Cowboys' official Facebook page, executive vice president Stephen Jones said they've received more positive news since meeting with reporters on Monday.

"We're obviously so excited about the progress that Jaylon's making," Stephen Jones said. "We've actually had a report since the press conference and it's even more encouraging in terms of the progress that he's making. I really do think he has -- it's in God's hands in terms of how you heal medically, but -- a great opportunity to really start to have full regeneration as we close in on the season. Of course he's doing some incredible work out here already, with it not 100 percent. He's making huge jumps from each test, from each week in terms of the progress he's making.

"It's certainly encouraging where he's going. I think he's going to make a big difference for our football team this year before it's all said and done."

 

[waldoputty]

if you want to decide whether or not *HE* specifically has a chance to recover, sure you do.

otherwise you're just playing the odds and taking a side to take a side.

wheee. look at me now!

actually i did not answer this post completely.
dr. cooper actually gave enough information that allowed other MDs to figure out a lot about Jaylon's situation.
he said the nerve was just stretched a bit and not torn in any way and the anticipated full recovery is between 9-15 months (note that full may not mean complete).
even without medical reports, that allowed the MDs (and even those who google) to classify the injury to within a reasonable margin of error.
by knowing the classification, there is enough patient data to know Jaylon's chances within a reasonable margin of error.
is it perfect, of course not, but even dr. cooper could not be totally sure - it is a nerve injury after all.

would access to the EKG/etc measurements been better, of course.
however, by roughly knowing jaylon's rehab and the lack of a follow-up surgery (no obstruction for nerve regrowth), one can deductively figure out that jaylon probably did lie in the expected level of injury.
googling can find the same classification and recovery information - which is part of what fuzzy did (and some of us also).
obviously formal medical training would be much preferred, but one would be surprised what they can learn from the internet if one tried hard.

it is of note that jaylon actually took more than 15 months for full recovery.
surgery was Jan 8 2016 and this is now 16 months in, though the definition of full recovery normally may not mean playing football...
furthermore, given simple anatomy of where the nerves connect to the relevant muscles, he can wiggle his toes now so it was likely that he was able to lift his foot before (yes, the FO was probably holding out on us for a significant amount of time, big surprise...).
it is still more than 15 months though, but we kind of knew that jaylon was taking more than 'normal'.
i posted about someone who had more recovery after about 8 months than jaylon did and the injury actually looked worse.

 

[iceberg]

actually i did not answer this post completely.
dr. cooper actually gave enough information that allowed other MDs to figure out a lot about Jaylon's situation.
he said the nerve was just stretched a bit and not torn in any way and the anticipated full recovery is between 9-15 months (note that full may not mean complete).
even without medical reports, that allowed the MDs (and even those who google) to classify the injury to within a reasonable margin of error.
by knowing the classification, there is enough patient data to know Jaylon's chances within a reasonable margin of error.
is it perfect, of course not, but even dr. cooper could not be totally sure - it is a nerve injury after all.

would access to the EKG/etc measurements been better, of course.
however, by roughly knowing jaylon's rehab and the lack of a follow-up surgery (no obstruction for nerve regrowth), one can deductively figure out that jaylon probably did lie in the expected level of injury.
googling can find the same classification and recovery information - which is part of what fuzzy did (and some of us also).
obviously formal medical training would be much preferred, but one would be surprised what they can learn from the internet if one tried hard.

it is of note that jaylon actually took more than 15 months for full recovery.
surgery was Jan 8 2016 and this is now 16 months in, though the definition of full recovery normally may not mean playing football...
furthermore, given simple anatomy of where the nerves connect to the relevant muscles, he can wiggle his toes now so it was likely that he was able to lift his foot before (yes, the FO was probably holding out on us for a significant amount of time, big surprise...).
it is still more than 15 months though, but we kind of knew that jaylon was taking more than 'normal'.
i posted about someone who had more recovery after about 8 months than jaylon did and the injury actually looked worse.

the trouble with doing things in this manner is you've now:

1) called jaylon a liar.
2) anticipated full recovery is between 9-15 - use this to set a timeframe so you can setup jaylon to be a liar
3) become the GOOGLE MD i said people were becoming. you can't say you're NOT doing this cause you just said you're googling around and putting your own pieces together based off public information that is only partial to the amount of private info *NOT* released.

you on one hand say his own doctor can't be sure. but the google'ers are.

makes zero sense to me, dude. sorry. it never will.

 

[waldoputty]

the trouble with doing things in this manner is you've now:

1) called jaylon a liar.
2) anticipated full recovery is between 9-15 - use this to set a timeframe so you can setup jaylon to be a liar
3) become the GOOGLE MD i said people were becoming. you can't say you're NOT doing this cause you just said you're googling around and putting your own pieces together based off public information that is only partial to the amount of private info *NOT* released.

you on one hand say his own doctor can be sure. but the google'ers are.

makes zero sense to me, dude. sorry. it never will.

what ?

dr. cooper, jaylon's doctor who has the medical info, said 9-15 months last april, not any of us.
dr cooper also said the chance for a good recovery was good, again last april.

i am just saying that dr. cooper gave all of us enough information about the injury (stretched only) that a MD without the medical records can easily deduce a number of things relevant to his recovery including the likelihood of a very good recovery.
even i was able to find the medical literature stating that the classification of the injury generally leads to a good recovery - just like dr. cooper said.

no one called jaylon a liar - even if it gets out of the 9-15 months anticipated timeframe, it is a nerve injury and there is no 100%.
dr. cooper was always very careful how he says things and leave himself enough room...

 

[speedkilz88]

Cooper basically said it wasn't guaranteed. But it was obvious he was confident in what he observed.

 

[iceberg]

what ?

dr. cooper, jaylon's doctor who has the medical info, said 9-15 months last april, not any of us.
dr cooper also said the chance for a good recovery was good, again last april.

i am just saying that dr. cooper gave all of us enough information that a MD without the medical records can easily deduce a number of things relevant to his recovery including the likelihood of a very good recovery.
even i was able to find the medical literature stating that the classification of the injury generally leads to a good recovery - just like dr. cooper said.

no one called jaylon a liar - even if it gets out of the 9-15 months anticipated timeframe, it is a nerve injury and there is no 100%.
dr. cooper was always very careful how he says things and leave himself enough room...

from your previous post:

however, by roughly knowing jaylon's rehab and the lack of a follow-up surgery (no obstruction for nerve regrowth), one can deductively figure out that jaylon probably did lie in the expected level of injury.

lie or didn't know?

then you say:

is it perfect, of course not, but even dr. cooper could not be totally sure - it is a nerve injury after all.

he can't be sure but since we're on month 16, jaylon lied. if his doctor can't be sure on his own given timeframe, how can we with far less info?

i could well be misreading what you're saying. i've done it before. but my base stance is that the doctor will give public info but medical records are private. you're gonna get the headline here, not the details.

i see people speculate on headlines or not much info all the time. kinda fun, sure. but again, trying to play doctor and make your own prognosis along the way? kinda stupid to me since you don't have the background info, you don't know how rehab is going day to day and a few twitter posts are simply not enough to make up for the lack of overall information.

 

[TheFinisher]

Cooper basically said it wasn't guaranteed. But it was obvious he was confident in what he observed.

If he's able to lift his foot and toes now it's pretty much guaranteed. The thing Dr. Cooper couldn't guarantee is if it would ever get to that point, although he was optimistic it would.

The stage of nerve regeneration he's currently sitting at, regarding the type of nerve damage he had, means it's going to be 100%... and soon.

That's why Stephen, Jerry and Jason couldn't help but glow the other day talking about him, they know we just added a DPOY type of talent for the next decade.

 

[waldoputty]

the trouble with doing things in this manner is you've now:

1) called jaylon a liar.
2) anticipated full recovery is between 9-15 - use this to set a timeframe so you can setup jaylon to be a liar
3) become the GOOGLE MD i said people were becoming. you can't say you're NOT doing this cause you just said you're googling around and putting your own pieces together based off public information that is only partial to the amount of private info *NOT* released.

you on one hand say his own doctor can't be sure. but the google'ers are.

makes zero sense to me, dude. sorry. it never will.

In many articles - here is one - https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...aylon-smith-knee-nerve-injury-draft/83416394/ - there are many more from the good doctor:

Cooper agreed Smith probably will take a “redshirt” year in 2016, noting that once a nerve injury is discovered, it usually takes around nine to 15 months to fully recover. He also said he knows of high school and college football players who have played with a foot-drop, “and it’s even possible that Jaylon’s good enough to play in the NFL if he doesn’t get his nerve function back.