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dadymat;2548304 said:
what interests me is that most T.O. supporters will agree he was cancer on the 2 other teams he played for yet the wonderful world of Dallas changed him...now hes just showing heart
I'm not TO's biggest fan, but I don't think he has been bad here. I don't think he caused the distractions this year, but he fed them by continuing to talk. That whole Werder report was a mountain being made out of a molehill. I just think it's really ignorant to think this stuff helps the team somewhow or has no effect on them. Especially given how many former players and coaches spoke out against it and not mincing words. For his fans to think they can pull the wool over anyone eyes is ridiculous. But sheep know wool. Ya know what I mean?
 

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Hostile;2548297 said:
And there you have the epitome of the Internet world. A fan on the Internet knows more about football locker rooms and chemistry than one of the best Head Coaches in the game. He wouldn't know anything about people thinking Vince Young was suicidal. That couldn't have caused any issues. Jeff Fisher mimics Ace Ventura.

Probably won his Fantasy League this year. Ya'll better recognize.

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Oh, thanks for bringing that up.

Vince Young was suicidal. Jeff Fisher's first ever media distraction.

And the Titans are the 1 seed in the AFC for the first time since 2000.

I think Jeff Fisher knows football very well. The problem is, you don't. That's why you'd have such an unbelievably idiotic interpretation of his quote.

Fisher isn't dumb enough to think media distractions are the #1 cause of football teams failing.

The #1 cause of football teams failing is them simply not being good enough. Not enough good players and/or not good enough coaches/schemes.
 

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looks like Hos got bored and couldn't resist schooling some Owens fanboys.

now Jordan define schooling:laugh2:
 

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Dave_in-NC;2548397 said:
Because I knew it would get the response it did.:D

You guys should have your own show...:D


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Hostile;2548260 said:
Only a few who put player above team. The worst ever were the Church of Vinny idiots. Although I must admit I do miss jousting with The Major. Just because he was so ignorant and pompous at the same time.

The church of TO isn't near as funny, interesting, or informed as those guys, but just as delusional if they think the distractions were a welcome break for this team that had no contribution to a poor season. Oh well, what are you going to do, some people just will never grasp the game of football. I feel sorry for them.


Why do you have to do that? There is no Church of TO , just some guys that think he isn't as bad as you think he is. Doesn't make us TO-lovers or anything.


It just says we don't think he should be cut for distracting you.
 

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Hostile;2548101 said:
The season derailed by magic.


Are you saying that TO derailed this season? Let's get this on the record. Is that your contention? Of all the things going wrong, that is what you think ended the season?
 

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Wow! I got up this morning and saw this thread had grown another 10 pages. Couldn't believe. And I was stupid enough to go through all the pages and catch up on the argument. Some pretty decent thoughts.

For those supporting Owens, here are some things to consider in your arguments:
• The media did not derail, destroy or affect this team this year alone. They are A reason for the downfall. Not THE reason. (now I feel like lew with all the random all caps)

• Anytime someone within an organization seeks the media to get their thoughts public, it's going to create dissention. There's no two ways around it. What was TO's rationale for going to the media? What was the end result he was looking for? More passes his way? Well, he achieved that immediately after those comments, and he dropped more.

• One thing I don't agree with Hos on is playing the game. The highest level of football I played was junior high, but I have a pretty good understanding of the game. However, there is something to be said about playing. 5, if you can't understand that there is a certain level of importance by playing the game, you're wrong. Does that mean you have no understanding? I'm not saying that. Whether or not you have played does create two different chains of thought.

• TO might not have created the distractions that he did in SF and Philthy, but his track record suggests we are one spark away from an inferno. I don't want to see that happen. But, he's already thrown JG and Romo under the bus publicly. That's not the way to do it. I agree with the meeting he had with JG, but then to discuss it in the media was wrong. What was his agenda there? IMHO, TO is a cancer. Like he said about Garcia, if it walks like a rat and talks like a rat...

• I believe Jones would cut Owens if he could. He made it clear that in order to re-sign Ware, they couldn't cut Owens (or anyone else with a high-dollar contract, but specifically mentioned TO). Even the owner, to some extent, is getting exhausted by all of this.

• My final thought is this. No one opposite the TO apologists, from what I remember in the 34 pages of this thread, said get rid of TO. If I missed that, I apologize. But, the fact is, we understand his talent and what he contributes to the team. What we don't like is the direct or indirect distractions he causes; the divisiveness in the lockerroom; the negative attention. If he could learn to keep his mouth shut and address concerns to JG, Wade or Jerry and leave it out of the media, I guarantee you most of us would be fine with him. But, it's the attention he creates that raises the red flag. It's not just us. Everytime there is something on the news about the Cowboys, it usually involves TO. And let's face it, if it wasn't for the media, you wouldn't be getting any information on the Boys. Whether or not you like them, you need them.
 

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JordanTaber;2548316 said:
Oh, thanks for bringing that up.

Vince Young was suicidal. Jeff Fisher's first ever media distraction.

And the Titans are the 1 seed in the AFC for the first time since 2000.

I think Jeff Fisher knows football very well. The problem is, you don't. That's why you'd have such an unbelievably idiotic interpretation of his quote.

Fisher isn't dumb enough to think media distractions are the #1 cause of football teams failing.

The #1 cause of football teams failing is them simply not being good enough. Not enough good players and/or not good enough coaches/schemes.
I guess you have never heard of Pacman and how a man was shot in Las Vegas and is paralyzed for life, plus several other distractions causing them to trade him away rather than deal with the constant questions.

Not to mention the fact that he once again got suspended last year and the team called it....gasp...a distraction.

My how that agenda blew up in your face. I didn't set you up or anything. No not me.
 

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5Countem5;2548434 said:
Are you saying that TO derailed this season? Let's get this on the record. Is that your contention? Of all the things going wrong, that is what you think ended the season?
I'm saying it contributed. How hard is that to grasp?
 

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jackrussell;2548402 said:
You guys should have your own show...:D


[youtube]Pd-MpXCMcIs[/youtube]
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And still the fish continue to flop around.
 

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Hostile;2548591 said:
I guess you have never heard of Pacman and how a man was shot in Las Vegas and is paralyzed for life, plus several other distractions causing them to trade him away rather than deal with the constant questions.

Not to mention the fact that he once again got suspended last year and the team called it....gasp...a distraction.

My how that agenda blew up in your face. I didn't set you up or anything. No not me.

The Titans haven't missed the playoffs since the Pacman incident.

That's my point.

OK, so the Titans have actually had a couple of "media distractions" that I forgot about.

I'm not denying that these incidents you are bringing up can be construed as media distractions. I'm denying that media distractions are the #1 cause of football teams failing and showing that Fisher's paraphrased comment has been misinterpreted. Either that, or he was just talking out of his ***.

Vince Young contemplates suicide and they go 13-3 and get homefield advantage throughout the playoffs after starting 10-0.
 

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JordanTaber;2549210 said:
The Titans haven't missed the playoffs since the Pacman incident.

That's my point.

OK, so the Titans have actually had a couple of "media distractions" that I forgot about.

I'm not denying that these incidents you are bringing up can be construed as media distractions. I'm denying that media distractions are the #1 cause of football teams failing and showing that Fisher's paraphrased comment has been misinterpreted. Either that, or he was just talking out of his ***.

Vince Young contemplates suicide and they go 13-3 and get homefield advantage throughout the playoffs after starting 10-0.

Who cares?
 

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JordanTaber;2549210 said:
The Titans haven't missed the playoffs since the Pacman incident.

That's my point.

OK, so the Titans have actually had a couple of "media distractions" that I forgot about.

I'm not denying that these incidents you are bringing up can be construed as media distractions. I'm denying that media distractions are the #1 cause of football teams failing and showing that Fisher's paraphrased comment has been misinterpreted. Either that, or he was just talking out of his ***.

Vince Young contemplates suicide and they go 13-3 and get homefield advantage throughout the playoffs after starting 10-0.
I never said the #1 cause. I said they affect the team. Jeff Fisher says they are the #1 cause. Other former coaches and players on the networks say it causes problems. Players on our roster say it caused problems.

You want to deny that because you like the one player at the center of the storm. It doesn't work that way.

We had a team who couldn't focus 100% on football because no one wanted to talk about football. They wanted the dirt. Well, the dirt got kicked on the casket because our season is dead.
 

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This is real simle folks. Keep the cancer and continue the infighting and argueing. Cut the Cancer and start working as a team to win games.
I am getting so sick of the "Church of TO" apologists, lovers what ever you want to call them.
Fact is nothing has changed, Football is a team sport and TO is not a team player. No team will ever win the big one with the Cancer otherwise known as TO.
The mere fact that there is more threads on Cancer (TO) than winning and losing should tell you something, Duh! Yet you think he is not a distraction? Hello!
 
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