The next Randy White?

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

So he was a second-rounder and we took him in the first. That's poor value.

hater! Jerruh says there were only 6 1st round quality players in this draft...AND WE GOT ALL OF THEM! MAZI...1ST ROUNDER.

SCHOONMAKER.....1ST ROUNDER

LAND..... 1ST ROUNDER

ETC ETC ETC.

we just got like every 1st rounder!! Jerruh said so!

 

[gimmesix]

So you are saying that a 'fan' should first run from the truth of what and how it took for the very best players from Dallas to become NFL stars. You actually afraid to extend respect and a valid comparison as this group of COWBOYS start their own journeys?

Up front, how many Cowboys in the Hall were below the first round or even undrafted? Is it OK to you to compare to them even though THEY are in the Hall as well? C'mon, answer some about every one!

Quit hiding behind the vanity of hero worship. Give our Hall players deserved respect...but comparison is the guiding principal in all our lives. Monitor and measure to the very best EVERY step of the way.

Strutting like a turkey in one's barn yard serves nothing but personal boundaries.

NO ONE ever claims a 'rook' achievement wise, belongs on the same footing as the truly best in sport. C'mon, get real in one's own strutting. Randy was great...that is NOT at issue.

Bob Hayes and Roger were self motivated and very hard workers...

I don't see the need for comparison, especially between players who are dissimilar.

Tony Dorsett was Tony Dorsett. Emmitt Smith was never the next Tony Dorsett. They weren't the same but both were great in their own right. Don't know what Mazi will become, but see no need to invoke Randy White when talking about him. I'm hoping he's Mazi Smith, and we say that, it means something positive and not something negative.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't see the need for comparison, especially between players who are dissimilar.

Tony Dorsett was Tony Dorsett. Emmitt Smith was never the next Tony Dorsett. They weren't the same but both were great in their own right. Don't know what Mazi will become, but see no need to invoke Randy White when talking about him. I'm hoping he's Mazi Smith, and we say that, it means something positive and not something negative.

Strictly on a player and production basis, the above is relevant as to cross comparisons of greatness...now, don't allow that to be an excuse to disrespect valid comparisons that do apply to the NFL in it's entire life.

Player achievements are dependent upon many things and that applies to today's rooks as it was to Randy White as he was coming up. That is a fact if one prefers to hero worship or not...not saying that is not rightfully a good part of being a fan.

There are various considerations that affect growth of all players and to the greatness each one achieves. Don't begin to hide those facts and demean honestly studying growth individually and what affects that in a particular player.

College programs of a rook are important. Not on an achievement level, but on a learning level as to technique and team discipline in achieving success in a team sport. So, the leadership and environment a 'rook' receives his first two - three years in the league determines boundaries for future growth. Instruction by the team's coaching staff and team commitment are extremely relative. Randy White is an extremely relative comparison for this. He should be a comparison as was Bob Lilly for every single defensive lineman there is coming into the NFL. Style/smile...they overcame obstacles, but most importantly owned the quality of sacrificing completely for the team. They were all about non-stop work and focus.

Know what the common thread for both of them was? Tom Landry was, and he was especially known for being a top mind on the defensive side of ball, despite for a ton of offensive successes. Well, how does this apply now? Quinn is accepted as being a very instructional and quality mind as well....maybe not a Landry, but he molds his players to his style of defense.

That brings us up to the next determining factor, and that is the type of scheme a player finds himself when drafted. This will affect statistics and career progress when meeting the job requirements and useages that a team applies in their own job descriptions. Well, Dallas invested in defensing the run. The run gave San Francisco a slight advantage when confronting Dallas.

Both The Manster and Bob Lilly were good at defensing the run. They were also both very good at crushing the pocket on passing plays.

I have no doubts that Smith will become a very good trash can full of dirt, but to see the passing play contributions will take a while. To see these very progresses one needs to compare his changes in direct comparisons to what it took for Randy and Bob to know true talent and potentials. Other wise we don't have true indicators of individual adapating and potential beyond team success and gross statistics. That here on site, is mostly a name blame shame game. No thanks, I'd rather follow the actual changes and then determine what halted individual/team success.

Enjoy the Manster, but don't miss the truth in changes. That takes a comparison to actual successes!

 

[CCBoy]

So he was a second-rounder and we took him in the first. That's poor value.

Instead, this implies an abstract start number says it all, huh?

 

[plasticman]

I'm one of the ones that liked the draft class this year. Please don't get me wrong here.

Its funny how Dallas has this formulaic approach to propaganda. Its a cycle every year where the team starts to get hyped after the draft. Hopefully this year its for real but every year around this time we just get a waterfall of hype press releases. Given that we are all fans at heart, we WANT to believe. By the time camp ends, all of the super bowl talk will be in full swing.

Just a typical deceptive technique used by unscrupulous salesmen in an effort to sell something that lacks the quality to stand on it's own.

 

[CCBoy]

Just a typical deceptive technique used by unscrupulous salesmen in an effort to sell something that lacks the quality to stand on it's own.

Oh, I think this recruited group are good soldiers and why drafted.

By the way, did you win the draft lottery? I did, even after attending the Air Force Academy...you stand up? Your monikor was from Service?

 

[CCBoy]

Dallas Cowboys Not Lacking In Options When It Comes To Replacing Ezekiel Elliott​

In the aftermath of the Elliott era, Dallas enters OTA’s with Tony Pollard as its clear-cut starting running back and three options when it comes to looking for a complement for Pollard — veteran Ronald Jones, second-year back Malik Davis and rookie sixth-round draft choice Deuce Vaughn. Assuming the Cowboys don’t end up trading for, or signing disgruntled Minnesota Vikings running back Dalvin Cook, Dallas won’t have any shortage of options in the free agency market. That would be because former Super Bowl champion running back Leonard Fournette and ex-Pro Bowler Kareem Hunt remain on the market.

While Dallas has left the door open on possibly bringing back Elliott, signing Fournette — who is one of the top versatile backs in the league — would be a major upgrade over the former Cowboys starter. Fournette is coming off of a three-year run as Tampa Bay’s starting running back, ranking third in the NFL among all running backs in catches last season. Furthermore, Fournette has generally been a durable back over the course of his career, having missed just eight games over the past four seasons. Fournette saw a total of 262 touches last season, which exceeded Pollard’s 232 touches and Elliott’s 248 total touches. It also doesn’t hurt that Fournette has experience sharing a backfield with a fellow runner, doing so with Jones and Rachaad White in Tampa Bay.

According to Spotrac, Fournette’s market value is just $2.3 million per season — an absolute bargain considering what he brings to the table.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/djsidd...to-replacing-ezekiel-elliott/?sh=4e2b13ba4705


While the team has been rumored to still be considering an Elliott reunion, it would be far more wise for the team to take a look at Minnesota Vikings RB Dalvin Cook. The Vikings have been looking to shop the elite running back due to his contract, which is currently set at $14.1 million in the 2023 season. Despite this, Cook made the Pro Bowl in 2023, with 1,173 rushing yards, eight rushing touchdowns, 295 receiving yards, and two receiving touchdowns.

There is talk now that the Vikings could designate Cook as a June 1st cut. This would save the team $9 million in cap space, while allowing Cook to be a free agent. This would set up an opportune scenario for the Cowboys to target Cook without giving up any trade assets, and spend money that the front office would feel comfortable spending.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...s-cowboys-dalvin-cook-running-back-free-agent

 

[CCBoy]

Dallas Cowboys Not Lacking In Options When It Comes To Replacing Ezekiel Elliott​

In the aftermath of the Elliott era, Dallas enters OTA’s with Tony Pollard as its clear-cut starting running back and three options when it comes to looking for a complement for Pollard — veteran Ronald Jones, second-year back Malik Davis and rookie sixth-round draft choice Deuce Vaughn. Assuming the Cowboys don’t end up trading for, or signing disgruntled Minnesota Vikings running back Dalvin Cook, Dallas won’t have any shortage of options in the free agency market. That would be because former Super Bowl champion running back Leonard Fournette and ex-Pro Bowler Kareem Hunt remain on the market.

While Dallas has left the door open on possibly bringing back Elliott, signing Fournette — who is one of the top versatile backs in the league — would be a major upgrade over the former Cowboys starter. Fournette is coming off of a three-year run as Tampa Bay’s starting running back, ranking third in the NFL among all running backs in catches last season. Furthermore, Fournette has generally been a durable back over the course of his career, having missed just eight games over the past four seasons. Fournette saw a total of 262 touches last season, which exceeded Pollard’s 232 touches and Elliott’s 248 total touches. It also doesn’t hurt that Fournette has experience sharing a backfield with a fellow runner, doing so with Jones and Rachaad White in Tampa Bay.

According to Spotrac, Fournette’s market value is just $2.3 million per season — an absolute bargain considering what he brings to the table.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/djsidd...to-replacing-ezekiel-elliott/?sh=4e2b13ba4705


While the team has been rumored to still be considering an Elliott reunion, it would be far more wise for the team to take a look at Minnesota Vikings RB Dalvin Cook. The Vikings have been looking to shop the elite running back due to his contract, which is currently set at $14.1 million in the 2023 season. Despite this, Cook made the Pro Bowl in 2023, with 1,173 rushing yards, eight rushing touchdowns, 295 receiving yards, and two receiving touchdowns.

There is talk now that the Vikings could designate Cook as a June 1st cut. This would save the team $9 million in cap space, while allowing Cook to be a free agent. This would set up an opportune scenario for the Cowboys to target Cook without giving up any trade assets, and spend money that the front office would feel comfortable spending.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...s-cowboys-dalvin-cook-running-back-free-agent

What would this say?

A trio of Pollard-Cook-Vaughn would be an incredible running back positional group.

 

[plasticman]

Oh, I think this recruited group are good soldiers and why drafted.

By the way, did you win the draft lottery? I did, even after attending the Air Force Academy...you stand up? Your monikor was from Service?

I envy the fact that you went to the Air Force Academy, it was my dream. I had the grades, the extracurricular, and I was set to receive a congressional nomination. However, I flunked the last step of the physical, which was the history.

Unfortunately for me, the military kept excellent medical records, my father was career Air Force. I had what was called "history of duodenal ulcers", which they claimed was caused by stress. Ironically, mine was caused by overdosing on aspirin when I was having all my teeth fixed in order to qualify. Broke my heart, so I tore the page out of my records and enlisted, serving four years from 1975 to 1979.

The only action I saw was on a remote radar site in Alaska as a Law Enforcement breaking up a fight in the bar. All we had on that remote site was a bar and a ceramics hobby shop. We would get drunk and go make ashtrays.

Whether this was a good draft class or not, it wouldn't matter, Jerry would claim they did great. That's what he does every year, even the early 2000's and those draft classes reeked.

 

[CCBoy]

I envy the fact that you went to the Air Force Academy, it was my dream. I had the grades, the extracurricular, and I was set to receive a congressional nomination. However, I flunked the last step of the physical, which was the history.

Unfortunately for me, the military kept excellent medical records, my father was career Air Force. I had what was called "history of duodenal ulcers", which they claimed was caused by stress. Ironically, mine was caused by overdosing on aspirin when I was having all my teeth fixed in order to qualify. Broke my heart, so I tore the page out of my records and enlisted, serving four years from 1975 to 1979.

The only action I saw was on a remote radar site in Alaska as a Law Enforcement breaking up a fight in the bar. All we had on that remote site was a bar and a ceramics hobby shop. We would get drunk and go make ashtrays.

Whether this was a good draft class or not, it wouldn't matter, Jerry would claim they did great. That's what he does every year, even the early 2000's and those draft classes reeked.

Thanks for sharing, my friend...we all are called differently. We all are Veterans because we weren't running from what it means to be a Veteran. Thanks from my heart...for your service. You have your National Defense Ribbon and proudly so.

Once while I was stationed in Armor at Baumholder, Germany, I was a tank commander one day and a Custom MP the next, literally. Post Sergeant Major saw me walking around Post somewhere...My Congressional Appointment was from Kika de la Garza.

For now, Stephen is the winner of all of Jerry's past. Jerry was a smart wildcatter that learned perpetually on the run. Things are at least back to where Dallas can challenge depending on team heart and a strong hand by the coaching staff.

 

[CCBoy]

Our limitation last year was Dak. Moore is gone and MM going to rein in a lot of the freedom and gunslinging that we saw out of Dak. We’ll see more short throws, more easy stuff. And I think that plays to our favor in the NFCE. For years, Tom Brady made a living checking it down or hitting a crossing route. If we scheme up the speed on the roster we can do the same.

The Eagles have a ton of beef in the middle. Hope those boys like to run. Sweep to pollard. Swing to pollard. Screen to cooks. Reverse with Lamb. Check down to Deuce. For this we needed better blocking out of our TEs. Dak got in trouble last year when people got in his face up the middle. This new offense both negates that and neutralizes a strength of Philly.

Then on the defensive side of the ball – beef up the middle. That’s what we did (with both Mazi and Fehoko). Keep the LBs clean. Add speed (overshown). No more college offense from hurts – he’ll have to throw it (into a much improved secondary).

Y’all can be gloom and doom – I see a cohesive strategy to build a football team that matches up well against teams we need to beat and can travel to any environment.


https://cowboysfanzone.com/different-approach-x510826/


Smith at left guard?

 

[doomsday9084]

Our limitation last year was Dak. Moore is gone and MM going to rein in a lot of the freedom and gunslinging that we saw out of Dak. We’ll see more short throws, more easy stuff. And I think that plays to our favor in the NFCE. For years, Tom Brady made a living checking it down or hitting a crossing route. If we scheme up the speed on the roster we can do the same.

The Eagles have a ton of beef in the middle. Hope those boys like to run. Sweep to pollard. Swing to pollard. Screen to cooks. Reverse with Lamb. Check down to Deuce. For this we needed better blocking out of our TEs. Dak got in trouble last year when people got in his face up the middle. This new offense both negates that and neutralizes a strength of Philly.

Then on the defensive side of the ball – beef up the middle. That’s what we did (with both Mazi and Fehoko). Keep the LBs clean. Add speed (overshown). No more college offense from hurts – he’ll have to throw it (into a much improved secondary).

Y’all can be gloom and doom – I see a cohesive strategy to build a football team that matches up well against teams we need to beat and can travel to any environment.


https://cowboysfanzone.com/different-approach-x510826/


Smith at left guard?

+1

I was listening to the post draft Cowboys interviews. Jerry and Stephen just aren't super impressive in their knowledge or ability to communicate. That said, McCarthy impressed me with a few answers and so did McClay. Any time I hear Quinn speak, he obviously knows his stuff and can communicate well.

IMO, this is Dallas' best staff since the Jimmy / Norm / Wannstedt days. Unlike then, Jerry seems to be listening and has accepted being a salesman. I can't point to any of Dallas' recent acquisitions as a Jerry ego move like he has done in the past.

Dallas may or may not be successful this year but I think they have a good organizational foundation right now. Much better than a lot of teams.

 

[JoeKing]

Quit at trying to look smart by talking as if one is on the panel for selection into the Hall. You aren't on the selection committee nor have offered any evidence beyond implying knowledge one has no where demonstrated any evidence for any type credability beyond band wagon ring tapping. Either get into the discussion or keep one's own arrogance out.

I never once said that he would or would not be similar to either Randy White or Bob Lilly...and my wife and daughter-in-law still have pictures with Bob Lilly and I know Randy still gives clinics for youthful athletes all around my area to the Valley.

Try first to conduct an addition of football facts or just stay away from pompous contempt nowhere offered up for discussion. Get a job or see a Recruitor...for a real clue. That or add to a valid discussion...caboose rider.

You are the one that made the comparison, not me. I just disagree. If you can't handle a difference of opinion in the sports forum world then stop offering up such silliness for debate.

 

[CCBoy]

You are the one that made the comparison, not me. I just disagree. If you can't handle a difference of opinion in the sports forum world then stop offering up such silliness for debate.

That's still not what I offered as I now have thoroughly explained...get a clue and leave your bag of home made excuses at home. Boredom is your most abundant contribution, as far as recommendations from posts as above, get a life of your own.

Perhaps YOU can step up with something football related other than slander coat tailing....Son. You still are lying and now a continuously repetitive source of only personal bias. Say or prove something relevant to the upcoming season. I have and haven't strayed from describing analysis that comes from standards fully explained and not from rah rah vanity.

See a recruitor or just own up...go back to sleep, yourself as you haven't approached the basis for analysis, and that in fact is by comparing to true function...good or bad. Please do explain and not by insulting further or blaming me.

 

[CCBoy]

The Dallas Cowboys made wholesale changes to their coaching staff after their Divisional Round defeat against the San Francisco 49ers.

While some changes were expected? Sure but did anyone foresee senior defensive assistant George Edwards, OL coach Joe Philbin, RBs coach Skip Peete, assistant head coach Rob Davis, defensive line coach Leon Lett and quality control coach/analytics coach Kyle Valero all not having their contracts renewed?

Now t;his...

Cowboys part ways with director of football research, head of analytics department Tom Robinson.​

We're not going to pretend like we have extensive knowledge on Robinson's now-former role with the Cowboys or why his role was discontinued. Robinson had a background in sports science and injury prevention, but specialized in player scouting and preparing analytics reports for opponents.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/cowb...dismissed-analytics-peter-king-power-rankings

 

[CCBoy]

Think Peter King is at the prove it now status with Dak Prescott and the Cowboys?

He put the Cowboys in his third tier of rankings.

 

[CCBoy]

2023 will hopefully be a different story after Philly lost several key pieces to free agency and offensive coordinator Shane Steichen and defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon to head coaching jobs.

Additionally, the Eagles will have the league's hardest schedule next season. If that doesn't set the stage for the Cowboys to reclaim the NFC East crown from their hated rivals, good luck finding something that does.

The Cowboys themselves don't have an easy road in 2023, but it speaks volumes the Eagles' schedule is the hardest of any team.

Philadelphia is one of two teams (Dolphins are the other) with a strength of schedule north of .550 and they'll play a whopping 10 teams that made the playoffs last season. That's more than half of the entire playoff pool and tied for the most of any team.

Not only that, but six of the Eagles' eight home games will be against 2022 playoff teams, including the Bills, 49ers, Vikings, Cowboys and Giants. Regression is always possible in the NFL, but chances are those teams will be in the playoff mix in 2023.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/eagles-2023-strength-schedule-hardest-nfl-cowboys-nfc-east

 

[CCBoy]

Additionally, The two additions as rookies, Jordan Davis and Nakobe Dean didn't do much to stand apart. Perhaps this year's drafted pair of Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith catch the same lag in learning as the other pair showed.

Then there is the injury history of the running backs that they kept have had in trying to stay on the field. This may help the Dallas defense in the Eagle running game as well.

The gap between the Eagles and Cowboys may seem to be reducing.

reworded from: https://thelandryhat.com/posts/eagles-2023-strength-schedule-hardest-nfl-cowboys-nfc-east

 

[CCBoy]

Blake Abraham
@blake_abraham


Pros of McCarthy: Detail in teaching! He has arguably the most detailed installs i’ve ever seen. He teaches every last step of the play. It’s not the cleanest look on the install but there’s so much info he puts down on them. Clearly has so much knowledge to give.

 

[CCBoy]

Blake Abraham
@blake_abraham
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11h

My thing is if he has this good of teaching, then he can likely create coaching points on someone else’s designs (whatever they carry over frok Moore/whatever Schottenheimer adds in) and sequence those calls.


Blake Abraham

@blake_abraham
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11h

Cons of McCarthy: his bag of good designs isn’t as deep! Especially in the quick game and stuff in that 8-15 yd area. There’s only so many Slants, Sticks, Flats, and Shallows you can run for short stuff. Fortunately, Schottenheimer being knows for good designs is very helpful.