News: The NFL’s System of Discipline Is An Absolute Joke

[Diehardblues]

But they remove Goodell and the NFL from the bad guy role. They set up the court with the judge, NFL attorney, the prosecutor, and the NFLPA lawyer for the defendant should it be referred to the NFL Court. How many of these have been appealed to a real judge anyway, start and end there.

What does the NFL shield represent to Americans? $, that is all it is. Who cares about the perception because much of it is negative right now because they are policing their own and to most people, it is inconsistent

Fans just want to watch games, they don't give a damn about the discipline. If it's bad enough, the courts will really deal with it as they did with Carruth, Hernandez and Goodrich for real crimes.

The irony is touching. We watch games played by millionaires for billionaires and we want justice? It is not the fault of the athletes or the sports that they are role models, that speaks to the cracks in the walls of our society.

This isn’t about the fans directly. It’s about protecting the image for the sponsors and networks who don’t want their product associated without some kind of discipline and policy in place.

I’m afraid a Soup (Football) **** like God/ ell is necessary. No football for you.. lol

 

[northerncowboynation]

I don't have any problem making players accountable for their own actions. I'm a big believer in that. And it is true, 99.9 percent of folks who get in trouble just happened to get caught this time and it's part of a pattern, not an outlier. But I still take issue with the league being judge and jury over off-field issues. I know why they do it and why they think they need to do it, but it's actually backfired and they look more incompetent and petty than they do pure of heart.

That's the way the owners want it @ the league being judge and jury. Owners don't want that responsibility anymore

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't have any problem making players accountable for their own actions. I'm a big believer in that. And it is true, 99.9 percent of folks who get in trouble just happened to get caught this time and it's part of a pattern, not an outlier. But I still take issue with the league being judge and jury over off-field issues. I know why they do it and why they think they need to do it, but it's actually backfired and they look more incompetent and petty than they do pure of heart.

I’m not sure it has backfired. The Networks are still there and most sponsors are. That’s who it’s protecting. They are the ones pimping the ride for the owners.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I understand what you are saying. But the system as it is got little push back from the NFLPA during bargaining.

Well, the system only increased Goodell's power. It was a bad move but its not like the NFLPA signed off on inequity and what it's been in practice and they have pushed back following implementation.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I’m not sure it has backfired. The Networks are still there and most sponsors are. That’s who it’s protecting. They are the ones pimping the ride for the owners.

That's who they think they are protecting, but they aren't. Networks and sponsors will be there as long as there is money to be made. Pretending to be protecting their image has sullied their image among many fans. Not enough to make fans turn away and actually impact revenues, but it's still made the league look ridiculous to anybody who pays attention. The dumb thing is they didn't need to get involved. There was no crisis they were averting, it was all in the owners' heads.

 

[Diehardblues]

A few have been ditched recently. JJ will never be suspended, he makes money for the NFL and actually pays a portion of Goody 2 shoes salary.

I wouldn’t say that . He came very close last year to the league or at least a few owners suing his butt. And Jerry backed off. It probably cost him some power moving forward.

No, the sum is always greater than any moving part.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Well, the system only increased Goodell's power. It was a bad move but its not like the NFLPA signed off on inequity and what it's been in practice and they have pushed back following implementation.

According to the legal precedents that have been set (or at least how they've been interpreted in the courts) that's exactly what they signed off on.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's who they think they are protecting, but they aren't. Networks and sponsors will be there as long as there is money to be made. Pretending to be protecting their image has sullied their image among many fans. Not enough to make fans turn away and actually impact revenues, but it's still made the league look ridiculous to anybody who pays attention. The dumb thing is they didn't need to get involved. There was no crisis they were averting, it was all in the owners' heads.

Remember they have all of us Diehards regardless. It’s the Fringe fans they’re after.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Remember they have all of us Diehards regardless. It’s the Fringe fans they’re after.

How's that working out for them? That's a legit question, btw, not a pithy response

 

[Diehardblues]

How's that working out for them? That's a legit question, btw, not a pithy response

Up until last year .. great. Which had nothing to with Conduct Policy

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Up until last year .. great. Which had nothing to with Conduct Policy

I was under the impression the peripherals were not so promising even before last year. I don't have any actual data to back that up, but I'd sure love some. (Not saying the league is struggling by any definition, just talking about the growth of so called "fringe" or casual fans).

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

According to the legal precedents that have been set (or at least how they've been interpreted in the courts) that's exactly what they signed off on.

Well they should not have given him open ended power like that but the specific policies are the product of NFL offices.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Well they should not have given him open ended power like that but the specific policies are the product of NFL offices.

That was my point whether I framed it well or not. Granting open-ended power over discipline was never going to end well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That was my point whether I framed it well or not. Granting open-ended power over discipline was never going to end well.

Well if Goodell wasn't such a poor leader it could have been different. Tagliabue was given latitude to create a system and the one that he came up with was fair and consistent for near 30 years. Rodger doesn't seem to know what those words even mean.

 

[CouchCoach]

Who is the idiot in that post Coach? Sorry, should read all but a little hard to follow at times

Booger, he tried to get pot off the list and not have the NFL do anything about off the field behavior. He's got the most offenders and trying to get the rules changed? I was surprised this got leaked to the media since it was an owners' meeting.

 

[Bigdog]

You are just realizing this now, jk.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Booger, he tried to get pot off the list and not have the NFL do anything about off the field behavior. He's got the most offenders and trying to get the rules changed? I was surprised this got leaked to the media since it was an owners' meeting.

Just my opinion but bringing players in either through the draft or FA is really in McClay's realm. Now maybe he Tells JJ all the positives and negatives and JJ ignores the negatives BUT there is zero proof of that. I don't see the Boys having anymore offenders than many other teams. I may be wrong on that but every team has them and if JJ is turning a blind eye many are. Remember Hernandez played for the Pats and I would call him the ultimate offender. As far as pot, when POTUS legalizes it at your federal level then Goody 2 shoes has no reason to ban it. After all Goody surely has his eye on a higher up office.

 

[northerncowboynation]

I wouldn’t say that . He came very close last year to the league or at least a few owners suing his butt. And Jerry backed off. It probably cost him some power moving forward.

No, the sum is always greater than any moving part.

Key words being "very close". Old white fat cats know where their toast is buttered

 

[cowboyec]

The NFL’s System of Discipline Is An Absolute Joke
http://profootballtalkline.com/nfl-opinion/news/116405/nfl-system-of-discipline-is-joke.html/



On Tuesday night, the NFL announced another round of suspensions pertaining to a variety of conduct issues among players, such as drug use, PED use, and domestic violence. They also announced their denial of Julian Edelman’s appeal of his PED suspension. This dumping of discipline, as well as that of Jameis Winston which was announced earlier in the week, once again demonstrates the NFL’s discipline process to be a complete and utter joke. From arbitrary punishments to baffling social and moral ideals, the NFL’s attempt to administer “justice” across the league is an embarrassment to the game of football and American sports as a whole.

The NFL, like all other professional sports leagues, has a number of rules and restrictions that dictate the behaviors of players both on and off the field, from personal conduct policies to limits on the types of substances that players can put in their bodies (both recreationally and professionally). It is important to note that the NFL is not wrong for implementing these policies. Players should be held up to certain social and moral standards as they are both professionals and role models. In addition, while there are fair and reasonable debates that argue that players should be allowed to utilize some PED’s and some types of recreational drugs (such as marijuana), the NFL is still a private company and is allowed to place these restrictions on their employees if they see fit. The problem is not in these rules themselves, but rather in the bizarre and illogical way in which they are enforced.

Let’s start with the process itself. When an incident occurs with a player, the NFL investigates the situation and then uses the collected evidence to make an informed decision, through which they determine a punishment. Well, sometimes. Other times, such as with Ray Rice, the NFL does not independently or thoroughly investigate the situation at all, instead choosing to simply hear the player’s side of the story and make an arbitrary decision based on one meeting. In situations like this, the league puts absolutely no effort into searching for the truth of the matter, but rather hoping that a quick suspension will be able to push the matter out of people’s minds...

....and so is the gutless commish.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Just my opinion but bringing players in either through the draft or FA is really in McClay's realm. Now maybe he Tells JJ all the positives and negatives and JJ ignores the negatives BUT there is zero proof of that. I don't see the Boys having anymore offenders than many other teams. I may be wrong on that but every team has them and if JJ is turning a blind eye many are. Remember Hernandez played for the Pats and I would call him the ultimate offender. As far as pot, when POTUS legalizes it at your federal level then Goody 2 shoes has no reason to ban it. After all Goody surely has his eye on a higher up office.

Of course I'll always take the opposite stance in any debate. Ask wifey