The NFL QB Rating

[DFWJC]

Any properly era-adjusted, all-time QB rating will still have guys like Montana, Staubach, Young, Rodgers, et al still at or very near the top.

To the credit of some of the more recent guys--like Wilson and Mahomes--they actually make that upper list too, regardless of era adjustments....though maybe Mahomes needs a few more years under his belt.

 

[RonnieT24]

pundits here that get their gander up saying carr is as good as dak

they freak out for sure..after game one stats very similar but one threw a Game winning bomb in OT ... so? for one week Carr was better

I'm confused how anyone could make any such proclamation given that one guy was playing on the road against the champs while the other was at home up against a team that got knocked out in the divisional round. Degree of difficulty matters. Carr also threw one pick against his two TDs vs Dak's 3 TDs and 1 INT. Dak finished with a much higher passer rating AND a higher QBR.. The Raiders won the game.. good for them.. but Carr was not as good as Dak this week.. not even close. Yes he threw the game winning TD but he also threw a TERRIBLE INT into the end zone.. Still I don't know what the deal is about people wanting to say Carr is as good or better than Dak. He's not.. That doesn't make him a bum or anything.. I have him as a solid top half of the league QB.. But Dak is better.. No shame in that. Saying Carr is as good is not an insult to Dak.. but it IS incorrect.. Dak's career QBR is light years higher as is his won/loss record and his passer rating. By nearly any objective measure Dak is the better player.. Maybe not by a huge margin.. but measurably better.. Period.

 

[America's Cowboy]

He was. With a much better team around him. Like many have said in here, Dak requires a good team around him, he can't carry a team. Hence 6-12 and not winning 2 games in a row in over 2 years. Maybe if someone was to dig in that would be the case. I don't know where to find a stat like that. That could be true.

Dak can't carry a team? What do you think he did Thursday night at the Buccaneers? Cowboys would have won had it not been for other players screwing up.

Who do you think carried the team in the home playoff win against the Seahawks back in 2018?

Who do you think carried the team to beat the Eagles at home to win and help secure a playoff spot towards the end of the 2018 season?

Who do you think carried the Cowboys to beat the heavily favored Saints at home towards the end of the 2018 season for an important victory?

Who do you think carried the Cowboys to victory at the Giants to end the 2018 season, win the division and host a playoff game?

Who do you think carried the team to beat several top teams throughout the 2016 season in order to help make the playoffs which Dak carried the team being 18 points down halfway through the 3rd quarter, only to come back and tie the game at 31 - 31 with 34 seconds left in the game against the Packers? Cowboys lost but they should have won if everyone else had played as well as Dak.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I'm confused how anyone could make any such proclamation given that one guy was playing on the road against the champs while the other was at home up against a team that got knocked out in the divisional round. Degree of difficulty matters. Carr also threw one pick against his two TDs vs Dak's 3 TDs and 1 INT. Dak finished with a much higher passer rating AND a higher QBR.. The Raiders won the game.. good for them.. but Carr was not as good as Dak this week.. not even close. Yes he threw the game winning TD but he also threw a TERRIBLE INT into the end zone.. Still I don't know what the deal is about people wanting to say Carr is as good or better than Dak. He's not.. That doesn't make him a bum or anything.. I have him as a solid top half of the league QB.. But Dak is better.. No shame in that. Saying Carr is as good is not an insult to Dak.. but it IS incorrect.. Dak's career QBR is light years higher as is his won/loss record and his passer rating. By nearly any objective measure Dak is the better player.. Maybe not by a huge margin.. but measurably better.. Period.

Anyone who watched the game last night knows this...that last TD was an unbelievable D call by the Ravens..O coverage in OT, all Carr had to do was get the pass off and it was going to the house. Saying that, Carr was solid last night...like he missed some wide opens and hit some.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Dak can't carry a team? What do you think he did Thursday night at the Buccaneers? Cowboys would have won had it not been for other players screwing up.

Who do you think carried the team in the home playoff win against the Seahawks back in 2018?

Who do you think carried the team to beat the Eagles at home to win and help secure a playoff spot towards the end of the 2018 season?

Who do you think carried the Cowboys to beat the heavily favored Saints at home towards the end of the 2018 season for an important victory?

Who do you think carried the Cowboys to victory at the Giants to end the 2018 season, win the division and host a playoff game?

Who do you think carried the team to beat several top teams throughout the 2016 season in order to help make the playoffs which Dak carried the team being 18 points down halfway through the 3rd quarter, only to come back and tie the game at 31 - 31 with 34 seconds left in the game against the Packers? Cowboys lost but they should have won if everyone else had played as well as Dak.

No Dak can't carry a team. Maybe he will prove he can, but to this point all evidence shows he can't. Until we got Amari in 2018 Dak was a below average QB and we were 4-5. Amari getting here opened up the offense. That's not carrying a team, that's getting enough talent around you to cover up deficiencies in your play.

2018 Seahawks - Dak played a pretty good game. If I recall is QB rating was 85. He made an amazing run at the end of the game to the three yard line. Really really good play. Dak didn't carry the team, but he also played good enough to win. The next week against the Rams was a different story as he was holding the ball taking terrible sacks and had no where to go once his first read was covered.

2018 Eagles - Dak played a very good game, as did the rest of the team, but regardless he had a really really good game. Agree with you.

2018 Giants - The giants were terrible and Dak played just good enough to win and to give credit where it's due, he made a great throw at the end and Beasley made a great catch.

2016 season - This team was built to win. The O-line and Zeke (1700 yards) were the catalyst to this season. Dak did was needed, but say he carried this team tells me you didn't watch the games. But, to his credit he was a rookie and drove the bus well and played good. But, the team carried him. That would have been quite the team to watch with a seasoned vet who knew the ropes, but it ended against the Packers where he wouldn't have needed to mount a comeback if he didn't come out looking like he couldn't handle the moment, throwing pics and getting behind.

Now you fail to mention the 2019 season where this happened.

Saints score 12 points to beat the Cowboys where Dak manages 9. A QB who carries a team manages more then 12 points

Patriots score 17 points, Dak led offense manages 13. Same as above, a QB who carries a team doesn't do this over and over.

Eagles (with all backup corners playing) Dak once again doesn't manage one TD. Same as above a QB who carries a team doesn't do this over and over.

And now to 2020, where he did pile up the stats, but managed a 1-3 record against teams with abysmal defenses. In all of the games Dak managed early turnovers to put the team in a hole.

Add to all of this Dak is 6-12 in his last 18 starts and has 2 comebacks in his last 22 starts, which starts to make sense when you actually break things down like this. Once again Dak has developed into a good QB, but he had a lot to prove as the last 20 or so games do not paint him as a QB on the precipice of greatness, but actually the opposite.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Ok ....... Brady and Dak suck

Carry on.

LLLOOOLLL, like Bruce Lee said about Black belts, just there to hold your pants up.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No Dak can't carry a team. Maybe he will prove he can, but to this point all evidence shows he can't. Until we got Amari in 2018 Dak was a below average QB and we were 4-5. Amari getting here opened up the offense. That's not carrying a team, that's getting enough talent around you to cover up deficiencies in your play.

2018 Seahawks - Dak played a pretty good game. If I recall is QB rating was 85. He made an amazing run at the end of the game to the three yard line. Really really good play. Dak didn't carry the team, but he also played good enough to win. The next week against the Rams was a different story as he was holding the ball taking terrible sacks and had no where to go once his first read was covered.

2018 Eagles - Dak played a very good game, as did the rest of the team, but regardless he had a really really good game. Agree with you.

2018 Giants - The giants were terrible and Dak played just good enough to win and to give credit where it's due, he made a great throw at the end and Beasley made a great catch.

2016 season - This team was built to win. The O-line and Zeke (1700 yards) were the catalyst to this season. Dak did was needed, but say he carried this team tells me you didn't watch the games. But, to his credit he was a rookie and drove the bus well and played good. But, the team carried him. That would have been quite the team to watch with a seasoned vet who knew the ropes, but it ended against the Packers where he wouldn't have needed to mount a comeback if he didn't come out looking like he couldn't handle the moment, throwing pics and getting behind.

Now you fail to mention the 2019 season where this happened.

Saints score 12 points to beat the Cowboys where Dak manages 9. A QB who carries a team manages more then 12 points

Patriots score 17 points, Dak led offense manages 13. Same as above, a QB who carries a team doesn't do this over and over.

Eagles (with all backup corners playing) Dak once again doesn't manage one TD. Same as above a QB who carries a team doesn't do this over and over.

And now to 2020, where he did pile up the stats, but managed a 1-3 record against teams with abysmal defenses. In all of the games Dak managed early turnovers to put the team in a hole.

Add to all of this Dak is 6-12 in his last 18 starts and has 2 comebacks in his last 22 starts, which starts to make sense when you actually break things down like this. Once again Dak has developed into a good QB, but he had a lot to prove as the last 20 or so games do not paint him as a QB on the precipice of greatness, but actually the opposite.

You're full of lies. What PICKS (plural) did Dak throw during the playoff game vs Packers in 2018? Just 1 pick, pal. Dak came out slinging it, but the crooked officials came out falsely accusing the Cowboys of an illegal substitution in the huddle, thus negating a huge throw downfield to Terrence Williams inside the Packers 30 that would have led to a TD. They also failed to call a clear holding committed against Witten inside the Packers 15 yard line a series later that would have led to another TD. That's 2 TDs the crooked officials took away from the Cowboys, thus leading to them falling behind by 18 points by the beginning of the 2nd Half, thus contributing to their loss.

FYI, clearly you are a butthurt Romoholic only here to spew your Dak poison. Do yourself a favor and go follow another QB with another team, because Dak is not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

You're full of lies. What PICKS (plural) did Dak throw during the playoff game vs Packers in 2018? Just 1 pick, pal. Dak came out slinging it, but the crooked officials came out falsely accusing the Cowboys of an illegal substitution in the huddle, thus negating a huge throw downfield to Terrence Williams inside the Packers 30 that would have led to a TD. They also failed to call a clear holding committed against Witten inside the Packers 15 yard line a series later that would have led to another TD. That's 2 TDs the crooked officials took away from the Cowboys, thus leading to them falling behind by 18 points by the beginning of the 2nd Half, thus contributing to their loss.

FYI, clearly you are a butthurt Romoholic only here to spew your Dak poison. Do yourself a favor and go follow another QB with another team, because Dak is not going anywhere anytime soon.

I was going off of memory, didn't look at the stats. Thought I remembered 2. I remember his play got us down early, because he couldn't hang with Rodgers. Yes, it was the refs fault though not Dak. Good excuse. I like Romo and I like Dak. Just stating the facts. I notice you couldn't rebut any of it, except that he threw one pic not two and blame the refs. Once again Dak is proven to be a good QB. Will he prove to be one of the best in the league? Evidence shows he hasn't yet. We will see. I just want the Cowboys to win, not talk about how great Dak was as he proceeds to drive them to losses.

But, yes if I were a fan of QB play I would choose another to be a fan of as there are numerous better options, but I'm Cowboys fan first before a fan of the players. Maybe you should try it?

 

[America's Cowboy]

I was going off of memory, didn't look at the stats. Thought I remembered 2. I remember his play got us down early, because he couldn't hang with Rodgers. Yes, it was the refs fault though not Dak. Good excuse. I like Romo and I like Dak. Just stating the facts. I notice you couldn't rebut any of it, except that he threw one pic not two and blame the refs. Once again Dak is proven to be a good QB. Will he prove to be one of the best in the league? Evidence shows he hasn't yet. We will see. I just want the Cowboys to win, not talk about how great Dak was as he proceeds to drive them to losses.

But, yes if I were a fan of QB play I would choose another to be a fan of as there are numerous better options, but I'm Cowboys fan first before a fan of the players. Maybe you should try it?

Your anti-Dak agenda is out in full bloom for all to see. I see you from a mile away, just like everyone else can. I didn't rebut your lies because I'm not going to waste my time proving you wrong over and over. Clearly, you will come out with more lies and snarky remarks. It's pretty sad to see how much Dak being the Cowboys starter actually bothers you. The Cowboys have made the correct decision based on actual proven facts to name Dak their franchise QB of the present day and future. Dak keeps proving them right. Most everyone agrees, except for a select few like you. Seriously, save yourself the misery and go follow another team.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah but the Cowboys are 1-3 in those games as I recall. They need to figure out how to be more balanced man..

LOL...............No, they need to figure out how to play more defense.

I doesnt matter how we score or how we get the yards. You also cant run the ball on offense if the defense cant stop anyone. You are always playing catch up.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yeah but the Cowboys are 1-3 in those games as I recall. They need to figure out how to be more balanced man..

I absolutely agree and defense needs to get stops in key moments

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's amazing! Dak has turned himself into a bonafied top passer in this league. It's sad that some of our own fans refuse to acknowledge that. I hope they come around.

They won't come around and will never give him credit. Doesn't matter what he does because they hate him on a personal level, hence the reason the goal post are always moving and the narrative is always changing. It's personal to them cause no logical thinking person can watch Dak play and say he is terrible but then watch Wentz play and say oh yea that guy is much better than Dak

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Your anti-Dak agenda is out in full bloom for all to see. I see you from a mile away, just like everyone else can. I didn't rebut your lies because I'm not going to waste my time proving you wrong over and over. Clearly, you will come out with more lies and snarky remarks. It's pretty sad to see how much Dak being the Cowboys starter actually bothers you. The Cowboys have made the correct decision based on actual proven facts to name Dak their franchise QB of the present day and future. Dak keeps proving them right. Most everyone agrees, except for a select few like you. Seriously, save yourself the misery and go follow another team.

The other interception in my mind was from a different Packers game in which he threw 3. It wasn’t a lie, I remembered it wrong. You don’t want to talk about any of the other points because they go against your narrative that Dak is an accomplished great QB. Once again Dak is a good QB. He is also 6-12 in his last 18 games and Andy Dalton was the last Cowboys QB to win two games in a row. Time will tell if the contract was a good one, but neither of us know at this point.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The other interception in my mind was from a different Packers game in which he threw 3. It wasn’t a lie, I remembered it wrong. You don’t want to talk about any of the other points because they go against your narrative that Dak is an accomplished great QB. Once again Dak is a good QB. He is also 6-12 in his last 18 games and Andy Dalton was the last Cowboys QB to win two games in a row. Time will tell if the contract was a good one, but neither of us know at this point.

You barely became a member a day or two ago, yet you have come out full guns 'a blazing bashing Dak while misrepresenting his performance.

Ok, which previously banned member are you?

 

[Section446]

QB Rating is fake news.

 

[Hadenough]

I mean...
Once again and I'll bring it up every now and again for emphasis on wins as a starter.

Cousins went 36 for 49 for over 350 and 2 TDs and no picks in a loss yesterday.

Play along and google his end of year stats for the last 5 to 8 years.

BUT when I did this yesterday I also came across an Oct 2020 article that said he was 7-31 as a starter since coming to the Vikings against winning teams.

Sound familiar?

Sooooooo...Draw your own comparisons, slice up accountability to team wins and losses anyway you want to do it. But Cousins has good stats too and is a comparable example to use against the ongoing narrative about Dak.

jmo

Do you realize the last time Dak beat a good team was Seattle in the playoff game in 2018. His best win in 2019 was against a 8-6 Rams team that wasnt that good. Ive been saying for a long time that Dak and Cousins are very close comparison. To be fair though Dak looked pretty good against Tampa until he reached the redzone.

 

[terra]

You barely became a member a day or two ago, yet you have come out full guns 'a blazing bashing Dak while misrepresenting his performance.

Ok, which previously banned member are you?

Whoever he is he certainly knows more about football than you do.

 

[terra]

I absolutely agree and defense needs to get stops in key moments

The D has to step up; we will score enough if the D just become mediocre. Now to win a SB the D will have to be somewhat better than that.

 

[USArmyVet]

Yet another futile thread as it has become obvious that the intent of many is to defend Dak at all costs while ignoring the Dallas team because it's not about the team but only about Dak.

 

[USArmyVet]

Aikman didnt win anything. The Cowboys team did. Aikman had that opportunity because of the team and players around him.

This is the simple concept that QB challenged laymans like you dont understand and never will.

Aikman couldnt win a game with Emmitt. When Aikman didnt have great talent he was terrible.

So tell that to all the Dak defenders who try and point to his record as some sort of defense to Dak being a great QB.