The NFL QB Rating

Diehardblues

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Passer rating is not meaningless.


That being said due to the issues OP mentioned. You really just have to compare passer ratings from modern era. Not from years past.

QBR is a better Metric also. IMO
The bigger point is can only compare with the eras.

Staubach for example often led his era in the 80 ratings . But doesn’t stack up in this era.

Look at some of the names in top 25 this era. A few of those QB’s are crap like Shaub, Carr and Pennington.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm
 

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I mean...
Once again and I'll bring it up every now and again for emphasis on wins as a starter.

Cousins went 36 for 49 for over 350 and 2 TDs and no picks in a loss yesterday.

Play along and google his end of year stats for the last 5 to 8 years.

BUT when I did this yesterday I also came across an Oct 2020 article that said he was 7-31 as a starter since coming to the Vikings against winning teams.

Sound familiar?



Sooooooo...Draw your own comparisons, slice up accountability to team wins and losses anyway you want to do it. But Cousins has good stats too and is a comparable example to use against the ongoing narrative about Dak.

jmo


Major difference is Cousins played Cinn while Dak played against a top defensive team and defend SB champs.
 

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rights or fans use stats and metrics far to much..lets olkay 17 and see where the chips fall

its about Wins having more wins than losses..IDC about game 1
I mean stats aren't the end all when critiquing someone. For instance, when it comes to Dak I'd look at the competition he was facing when looking at his stats. When it comes to Jalen Hurts? He played the Falcons....I take nothing away from him because he had a good game. Jameis Winston with 5 Touchdowns against the Packers impressed the hell out of me regardless of how many passing yards he had.
 

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Any of these QBR's are worthless and further demonstrates the attempts to individualize a team sport.

I do not need any useless ratings system, devised by a bunch of pencil-necked geeks, to tell me whether a QB played well or is a good QB, I can watch the game, see for myself and factor in the variables like the defense he is facing, whether he has his full team playing, the audibles compared to the executed plays called and I don't need some goofy scoring system to help me decide which QB's are great, good or not so good.

We all possess all we need to assess the play of individuals and teams, two eyes and a mind. I do not need any sports pundits telling me what I've seen or what I should think.

As far as comparing Brady and Prescott? Both played very well, except for Brady's two picks, but Brady's team, particularly his defense. played better than Prescott's.

How often is the QB's higher rating the reason for a victory?
 

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Major difference is Cousins played Cinn while Dak played against a top defensive team and defend SB champs.

Guess I was doing a comparison using a career's worth of overall good stats while still losing to good teams as a starter.

My bad in that the OP's main focus was more on this one game I guess.

Anyway,
Point remains. Cousins has excellent stats.

Not so much wins, that's all. And that's the same CZ narrative being played with Dak.

jmo
 

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Guess I was doing a comparison using a career's worth of overall good stats while still losing to good teams as a starter.

My bad in that the OP's main focus was more on this one game I guess.

Anyway,
Point remains. Cousins has excellent stats.

Not so much wins, that's all. And that's the same CZ narrative being played with Dak.

jmo

Cousins did play a very good game. Honestly did not see much of that game was watching others a bit more than that game. Only point I am making is not all stats created equal, we have to look at who the opposing team is. Dak by most accounts played an excellent game but as a whole the Cowboys did not do enough to beat Tampa Bay.
 

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Any of these QBR's are worthless and further demonstrates the attempts to individualize a team sport.

I do not need any useless ratings system, devised by a bunch of pencil-necked geeks, to tell me whether a QB played well or is a good QB, I can watch the game, see for myself and factor in the variables like the defense he is facing, whether he has his full team playing, the audibles compared to the executed plays called and I don't need some goofy scoring system to help me decide which QB's are great, good or not so good.

We all possess all we need to assess the play of individuals and teams, two eyes and a mind. I do not need any sports pundits telling me what I've seen or what I should think.

As far as comparing Brady and Prescott? Both played very well, except for Brady's two picks, but Brady's team, particularly his defense. played better than Prescott's.

How often is the QB's higher rating the reason for a victory?
You nailed it, CC!!!

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Over the course of last season....who else has? Mind you, with their best offensive lineman out?

It’s a little bit of a baseball question, like “most home runs hit in a night game with a full moon on September 12th against the pirates in their away jerseys.”

I’ll give you an example of what I mean:

Matt Ryan 49 attempts, 338 yards, 3 TDs, no turnovers, narrowly lost like Dak while fielding a far worse Pass D than Even Dallas had in 2020.

But technically, he didn’t have an Olineman even close to as talented as Zack Martin (or Tyron Smith), nor backups who could come in even as good as Connor Williams, so you’re semantically right: whoever might have been injured on their Oline didn’t deserve to be called their best player.
 

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I mean...
Once again and I'll bring it up every now and again for emphasis on wins as a starter.

Cousins went 36 for 49 for over 350 and 2 TDs and no picks in a loss yesterday.

Play along and google his end of year stats for the last 5 to 8 years.

BUT when I did this yesterday I also came across an Oct 2020 article that said he was 7-31 as a starter since coming to the Vikings against winning teams.

Sound familiar?

Sooooooo...Draw your own comparisons, slice up accountability to team wins and losses anyway you want to do it. But Cousins has good stats too and is a comparable example to use against the ongoing narrative about Dak.

jmo
IL once again say that ROmos, Cousins , daks and many qbs job to move the ball and score tds or successful drives and not turn the ball over and hurt your team..

they do their jobs and lose whos that on coaching? team mistakes? bad defense.

YES YES YES

Or the other teams simply played better but how threat the QB issue

so Big Ben puts up a sub 200 yard game hardly threw and his metrics are better so hes GREAT., EF that noise his defense st ,coaching won that game , where as the former in these discussions did not..

when you have to throw in high scoring game or when your defense ST or coaches GP falls apart your stats will go down your metrics are skewed because when you become the focal point of the game and its all on your shoulders, its changes the metrics. Sitting back and having the team play well and you are just piece in the machine,. well there's your answer..

some players just have the bad luck to not be part of a great machine and they become the only party holding it together some games thats why metrcs and stats are skewed..Brady and Dak played great well enough to win dak lost, cousins played great they still lost..some proof Tannehil leaves team and the overall outlook from most ont he outside hes Jag , not an nfl top starter, he goes to better team and hes great gets paid and the titans are succeeding. This season its going to be Stafford renewed his image going form bad machine to a good one. heck we might see this from Wentz of all people..how about Winston? scapegoat to hero?

Baker would have won that game but lost it in the end but why did he need to force that at the end, his defense while great times allowed Mahomes to rip them apart and gain the lead and now it was all on the shoulder of the qb went he defense knew it last drive..he threw pick but is that all on him?

its sports its football..some games its obvious the qb lost the game like last year Seatle game dak for sure created the situation and didn't come back but giving up 14 -0 and oits on you well Dak gets the blame as he well should but when zeke fumbles twice and no defense the ol cant block well Browns game wasn't on dak..

its pretty simple watch the games form decision. dak and brady played great..

Dak lost but not on him..his ST kicker and coverages blew it the defense gave up too many big scoring plays..the DC team lost that game.

sound familiar?? in sports yes its familiar ? how about MLB a pitcher pitchers a near shutout loses 1-0 that on him how? no run support says that on the team or say he goes out with 2 run lead its 3-1 and his relivers blows the game but he gets the loss anyway..fair? nope but part of the team win and loses as team yet we as fans and media go out and cherry picks stas..if a pitcher gets bombed in the first 4 and gets pulled thats on him..his loss ..in the end over season that even out back to TEAM wins and losses..

there goat and scapegoat all throughout the season, heros and scapegoats..
 

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I think we're going to be waiting awhile. Nevermind, people gave Mahomes a excuse for how he played because his tackle was out....is Dak gonna get credit for doing that with Zack Martin out?

Mahomes had 3 starting Oline out, and no backups on Connor Williams’ level. And Dak is getting credit for playing well with Zach Martin out
 

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It’s a little bit of a baseball question, like “most home runs hit in a night game with a full moon on September 12th against the pirates in their away jerseys.”

I’ll give you an example of what I mean:

Matt Ryan 49 attempts, 338 yards, 3 TDs, no turnovers, narrowly lost like Dak while fielding a far worse Pass D than Even Dallas had in 2020.

But technically, he didn’t have an Olineman even close to as talented as Zack Martin (or Tyron Smith), nor backups who could come in even as good as Connor Williams, so you’re semantically right: whoever might have been injured on their Oline didn’t deserve to be called their best player.


Atlanta lost both games against the Bucs in 2020.
 

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It’s a little bit of a baseball question, like “most home runs hit in a night game with a full moon on September 12th against the pirates in their away jerseys.”

I’ll give you an example of what I mean:

Matt Ryan 49 attempts, 338 yards, 3 TDs, no turnovers, narrowly lost like Dak while fielding a far worse Pass D than Even Dallas had in 2020.

But technically, he didn’t have an Olineman even close to as talented as Zack Martin (or Tyron Smith), nor backups who could come in even as good as Connor Williams, so you’re semantically right: whoever might have been injured on their Oline didn’t deserve to be called their best player.
Yeah or hell even if Matt was missing his best player? Missing Julio or Ridley? But that is a great game by Matt. I didn't watch it but those are some productive numbers.
 
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