The NFL QB Rating

[USArmyVet]

Yeah I reworded it

No worries. There was only 1 QB that threw for 400+ against TB in 2020 and that was Mahomes leading the Chiefs to a victory. That said, there were 4 QB's (Bridgewater, Goff, Mahomes, and Ryan) that threw for 350+ in the regular season in 2020.

Also keep in mind the Giants lost to TB by only 2 points (25-23) in 2020 so does that mean the Giants were the top of the NFC East last season as a result? Also, a no name Washington QB (Heinicke) kept his team in the game in the 2020 playoffs where TB won 31-23....so does that mean Heinicke is as good as Dak?

That is the problem with what ifs and projections/declarations after only 1 game.

 

[USArmyVet]

Damn all it took was 25 points to beat them? What a great luxury.

In 2020 Chicago beat TB 20-19 behind Foles so I guess just 20 points was needed for the Bears....and the Saints beat TB 38-3 in 2020 so I guess just 4 points would have been good enough? I do not see your point.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yeah or hell even if Matt was missing his best player? Missing Julio or Ridley? But that is a great game by Matt. I didn't watch it but those are some productive numbers.

Mahomes also dropped 460 for 3 TDs and no turnovers in the regular season win against TB which made the SB all the more shocking.

Teddy Bridgewater threw for 330.

Goff threw for 376.

And then of course Brees beat them by 28, and ran the clock out so his yardage stat didn’t get as inflated after he threw his 4th TD.

They were 21st in pass D because they earned it. They allowed 400 yards week one, it’s way too early to say they’ll be better than that.

But that doesn’t mean Dak didn’t have a very good game. However, there have been many sentiments here who have said there isn’t a human being alive who can do what Dak did, and that’s a bit silly.

 

[USArmyVet]

That's the only time all of last year. The Buccaneers pass D is pretty good.

So I guess when Heinicke of Washington went 26 of 44 for 306 yards in the first round of the playoffs that means what exactly about the TB pass defense? Or what does it say about Heinicke?

 

[johneric8]

Mahomes....and he led the Chiefs to a victory (27-24)

Let's be honest, the chiefs would if lost if it wasn't for the Chiefs defense getting that interception on the last drive to seal the win. All the sudden mahomes did it! Give me a break .. mahomes did what he had to do just like Dak did.. the problem for us is our defense couldn't help when it mattered like the Chiefs def .

 

[SackMaster]

Well I like to go by the "eye test" that so many "Dak haters" have taught us is the "only" way to look at a QB's performance.

And based off the "eye test", Dak was BY FAR the best QB in Week 1.

 

[USArmyVet]

Let's be honest, the chiefs would if lost if it wasn't for the Chiefs defense getting that interception on the last drive to seal the win. All the sudden mahomes did it! Give me a break .. mahomes did what he had to do just like Dak did.. the problem for us is our defense couldn't help when it mattered like the Chiefs def .

The Dallas defense secured 4 turnovers and held TB to 13 points in the 2nd half.....so not sure why the slamming of the Dallas defense. Based on that thinking, Dak threw for just over 400 yards and 3 TD's against a Top 3 defense....so I guess that means the TB defense sucks and didn't help Brady at all.

Oh, and in the 2020 TB vs. KC game KC had a 27-10 lead heading into the 4th quarter but the KC defense gave up 14 points in the 4th quarter so not sure what you mean.Also, Brady threw 2 INT's earlier in the 2nd half and KC did not pick off Brady to end the game but rather it was the TB defense that couldn't stop Mahomes on KC's last drive which lasted 8 plays for 33 yards and 4 minutes 10 seconds.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Let's be honest, the chiefs would if lost if it wasn't for the Chiefs defense getting that interception on the last drive to seal the win. All the sudden mahomes did it! Give me a break .. mahomes did what he had to do just like Dak did.. the problem for us is our defense couldn't help when it mattered like the Chiefs def .

Look to me like the Browns folded was there not a ST fumble and then an INT and the ridiculous end of half backward march that cost the Browns points.....is Pat Mahomes a great player..yes..did the Browns let them off the mat..absolutley....

 

[Creeper]

The game is so different today. Back in the day, the mantra was "establish the run". Today it is more like "run to keep the defenses honest". The rule changes, and what they let receivers and QBs get away with, have just made it more productive to throw the football. If they tightened up the offensive PI rules, did away with rub routes and pick routes, and fixed the penalty for intentional grounding - to mean any time a QB throws the ball away to avoid the rush regardless of where he is on the field - I think it would balance out the offense and defense, run and pass a bit more. QBs and WRs are overprotected.

 

[America's Cowboy]

So I guess when Heinicke of Washington went 26 of 44 for 306 yards in the first round of the playoffs that means what exactly about the TB pass defense? Or what does it say about Heinicke?

Today's NFL is geared to help QBs. Throwing for 300 is average. Most good QBs nowadays throw for 300+ yards on average, but how many pass for 400+?

That should answer your question.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Today's NFL is geared to help QBs. Throwing for 300 is average. Most good QBs nowadays throw for 300+ yards nowadays, but how many pass for 400+?

That should answer your question.

How many offenses attempt 58 passes in a game and completely abandon the run?

 

[DFWJC]

None of you, especially either the NFL passer rating metric or the BSPN QBR metric, take into account the quality of Defense opposing QBs are having to face. THAT makes a huge difference.

I seriously doubt any of the other top Week 1 rated QBs would have performed much better against the Buccaneers. Certainly, none of them would have passed for over 400 yards and at least 3 TDs.

I thought Dak played very well..

Fwiw though..... Buccaneers had the 21st ranked pass defense last year. Their pass D is not their strength
Their strength is their amazing run D.

Given an astounding 58 pass attempts, yes, a ton of QBs would've passed for 400 yards. 6.9ypa is nothing amazing
I doubt Dak will have 58 attempts very often, or at all, the rest of the year.
Just for comps---Stafford had less than half the attempts yet still had 3 TDs, no picks, and 321 yards.
Mahomes has 26 less attempts but had 3 TDs and 337 yards...no picks.

Again, Dak DID play well, but those 400 yards came from sheer volume. 58 attempts is insane.

 

[America's Cowboy]

How many offenses attempt 58 passes in a game and completely abandon the run?

Many. Look it up.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I thought Dak played very well..

Fwiw though..... Buccaneers had the 21st ranked pass defense last year. Their pass D is not their strength
Their strength is their amazing run D.

Given an astounding 58 pass attempts, yes, a ton of QBs would've passed for 400 yards. 6.9ypa is nothing amazing
I doubt Dak will have 58 attempts very often, or at all, the rest of the year.
Just for comps---Stafford had less than half the attempts yet still had 3 TDs and 335 yards.

Again, Dak DID play well, but those 400 yards came from sheer volume. 58 attempts is insane.

No way does Stafford pass for 400+ against the Bucs D, even with 58 attempts. No way.

 

[RonnieT24]

So I guess when Heinicke of Washington went 26 of 44 for 306 yards in the first round of the playoffs that means what exactly about the TB pass defense? Or what does it say about Heinicke?

I would tend to chalk that up to the WFT o-line being able to block for him and also Tampa not having any film on him. Let's not get carried away though.. The WFTs put up 23 points and Heineke put up a nice 78.4 passer rating. I think that says a lot about him. Dak put up 100 more yards and 2 more passing TDs.. Seems like to me that's an appreciable gap..

 

[DFWJC]

No way does Stafford pass for 400+ against the Bucs D, even with 58 attempts. No way.

Maybe 500 with 58 attempts.
Bears pass defense > Bucs pass defense


really, every game is different so who knows for sure.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Many. Look it up.

Okay I did.

If Dak attempted 2 more passes, it would have been the 51st time in all of NFL history that a QB hit 60 pass attempts. For context, there have been 14,000 games logged in NFL history. About 1/5 of those before the forward pass really took off (pre-Unitas).

So no, it’s not common, Dak was approaching NFL record books. Tom Brady, for comparison, has played over 20 years and never threw that many.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Maybe 500 with 58 attempts.
Bears pass defense > Bucs pass defense


really, every game is different so who knows for sure.

The Bears D is not better than the Buccaneers D. It just isn't.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

No way does Stafford pass for 400+ against the Bucs D, even with 58 attempts. No way.

You do know that Stafford is the most prolific yardage QB in NFL history through his 33rd birthday, right? And that's he's already 6th all time in 400 yard games, with all 5 players ahead of him playing at least 5 more seasons.

If there was anyone who'd do it, it's Mr. 400.

 

[DFWJC]

Okay I did.

If Dak attempted 2 more passes, it would have been the 51st time in all of NFL history that a QB hit 60 pass attempts. For context, there have been 14,000 games logged in NFL history. About 1/5 of those before the forward pass really took off (pre-Unitas).

So no, it’s not common, Dak was approaching NFL record books. Tom Brady, for comparison, has played over 20 years and never threw that many.

Bottom line is if you throw 58 times with our WRs and line against a sub-par (or average) pass defense, you have a great shot at 400-450 yards.
The key was that he kept his TD-Int positive. A lot of times, that any attempt leads to more ints.