The officiating in our games. Is it just me

[cowboyblue22]

the officiating league wide is awful did u see the ruling of interception in the panthers eagles game its horrible league wide

 

[LandryFan]

the officiating league wide is awful did u see the ruling of interception in the panthers eagles game its horrible league wide

Yep, I talked about that a couple of posts earlier in this thread (I initially said it was a fumble, but reading your post reminded me that it was an interception). The Carolina player was clearly down before the ball came out but, in this particular case, the league office review clowns didn't feel that had 100% evidence to overturn the call, so they let it stand. Sure wish they would apply that policy consistently rather than pick and choose when to apply it. Fire Blandino!

 

[cowboyblue22]

they tried every way in the world to get eagles a win

 

[hendog]

Don't forget about the late whistle when Hayden recovered the fumble and scored a touchdown. The ball had been out for 2 seconds before they blew the play dead for forward progress and they never blow that fast on forward progress.

 

[Hoofbite]

...and the guy in charge of the officials should be held accountable for the pathetic officiating. Unfortunately, accountability anywhere in the league office is extremely difficult to come by.

I'm not sure what you expect them to do. You just can't hold people accountable on a whim. The officials are represented and if you want to talk about poor officiating, it only took a couple of weeks to solve the last labor dispute because of what happened in Seattle. It's easy to pick out all the bad calls and missed calls when you have the advantage of seeing the play from an angle that is entirely unobstructed. Officials don't have that. Officials also don't get to scrutinize every single play the way a home viewer does. I can't imagine it's an easy task.

That said, the officiating does have it's problem. Primarily, I think there's far too much of it. I think the league needs to ditch the automatic reviews on all scoring plays and turnovers. I also think they should let coaches challenge any time they want. Get rid of the block on a coach's challenge inside 2:00, and I think the only time the booth should have any sort of control over reviewing the game is when the game is inside of 2:00. That and overtime. Outside of those two times during the game, the booth should stay the hell out of the way.

As it is, the league has basically erased the value of being able to challenge because everything is automatically reviewed. Consequently, we could see a dozen reviews per game and each one simply reinforces the idea that the officiating sucks. It also means that the only things that are challenged by coaches anymore are things that have nearly no influence on the play if left alone, but significant influence on the game if overturned. Stupid things like whether or not a guy's shoelace was untied and touched the sideline even though his foot was clearly inbounds. Whether or not the ball barely grazes a member of the receiving team's jersey on a punt to determine if the receiving team keeps the ball or if the punting team gets another possession 40 yards further downfield. Had no impact on the outcome of the play, but taking away a big play (or creating a big play that shouldn't have occurred) based on these technicalities damn sure changes the outcome of the game.

Instant replay should be used to correct bad calls, but as it stands it's basically a small episode of a television detective series where every single big play is scrutinized to the fullest extent possible just to see if there's any possible way that the rulebook can negate the play. It operates under the presumption of failure and only after the play has satisfied the various interpretations of every applicable rule will it be allowed to stand. I think the system is entirely flawed because if the same standard was applied to every single play I doubt any team could move the ball down the field.

The league needs less officiating, period. Trying to hold officials accountable won't work because there isn't a single person on the planet who is going to see every foul or get every call right. The league needs to lessen the impact of the officials, not try to coach them up on how to apply the rules in a more stringent manner.

 

[Longboysfan]

I wouldn't say it's systematic but when you get a Huge td overturned(cmon when's the last time someone made a play like that on offense) it does seem to show *some* personal bias. Like that gets A flag ? Come the **** on


Even my gf agreed and she's not smart

Somewhere some time - they shoud say. No fould on the play.

 

[Longboysfan]

Good officals know how to move to be in a better position.
Soccer has three to watch and they seem to get it right more times than not.

Football - 7 and they still get it wrong.

 

[Junglist]

Can someone explain how the Street offense interference call was interference, especially since the ball wasn't even going to him?

 

[LandryFan]

I'm not sure what you expect them to do. You just can't hold people accountable on a whim. The officials are represented and if you want to talk about poor officiating, it only took a couple of weeks to solve the last labor dispute because of what happened in Seattle. It's easy to pick out all the bad calls and missed calls when you have the advantage of seeing the play from an angle that is entirely unobstructed. Officials don't have that. Officials also don't get to scrutinize every single play the way a home viewer does. I can't imagine it's an easy task.

That said, the officiating does have it's problem. Primarily, I think there's far too much of it. I think the league needs to ditch the automatic reviews on all scoring plays and turnovers. I also think they should let coaches challenge any time they want. Get rid of the block on a coach's challenge inside 2:00, and I think the only time the booth should have any sort of control over reviewing the game is when the game is inside of 2:00. That and overtime. Outside of those two times during the game, the booth should stay the hell out of the way.

As it is, the league has basically erased the value of being able to challenge because everything is automatically reviewed. Consequently, we could see a dozen reviews per game and each one simply reinforces the idea that the officiating sucks. It also means that the only things that are challenged by coaches anymore are things that have nearly no influence on the play if left alone, but significant influence on the game if overturned. Stupid things like whether or not a guy's shoelace was untied and touched the sideline even though his foot was clearly inbounds. Whether or not the ball barely grazes a member of the receiving team's jersey on a punt to determine if the receiving team keeps the ball or if the punting team gets another possession 40 yards further downfield. Had no impact on the outcome of the play, but taking away a big play (or creating a big play that shouldn't have occurred) based on these technicalities damn sure changes the outcome of the game.

Instant replay should be used to correct bad calls, but as it stands it's basically a small episode of a television detective series where every single big play is scrutinized to the fullest extent possible just to see if there's any possible way that the rulebook can negate the play. It operates under the presumption of failure and only after the play has satisfied the various interpretations of every applicable rule will it be allowed to stand. I think the system is entirely flawed because if the same standard was applied to every single play I doubt any team could move the ball down the field.

The league needs less officiating, period. Trying to hold officials accountable won't work because there isn't a single person on the planet who is going to see every foul or get every call right. The league needs to lessen the impact of the officials, not try to coach them up on how to apply the rules in a more stringent manner.

I don't disagree with the majority of what you said. However, my biggest complaint is aimed at the review process rather than the on-field calls. I understand how on-field officials can screw up, given the speed of the game and the amount of things they have to look for, play after play. Now the review officials are another matter. Sometimes they overturn calls without irrefutable evidence (or anything even close to it) and then turn around and let bad calls stand when the evidence is there to change it. Their policy is supposed to be to let the call on the field stand unless there is indisputable evidence to overturn it. Given the current technology, there is no excuse for the replay officials to be wrong as often as they are. This, IMO, has been a problem that has gotten progressively worse as time goes by. The accountability I'm referring to is the VP of Officiating and those in that inner circle. A part of his job is to create the "officiating culture" as it were, and to give all fans a feeling that, while the officiating isn't perfect (and never will be), it is at least competent. Personally, I have very little faith in the officiating these days. That, to me, falls on his shoulders.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Just keep your opponent out of the endzone. Officiating is bad in every sport. The human factor.

 

[cajuncocoa]

As I always say...we seem to get screwed by the refs badly in at least 1 of the games against the Giants.

As always, New York rules.

Where are the league offices located again?

 

[gimmesix]

or do we seem to constantly get the short end of the stick? The refs pick yesterday to emphasize the pick play? And the play on third down that Mo made to stop a drive was nearly textbook technique. Yes he did (barely) touch his arm just before the ball got there but it had absolutely had no bearing on the play and it is rarely that that close against us. That continued a TD drive. These two calls were an 11 point swing that the home team did not need especially when you consider all that we were up against.

I also wonder if there is a stat that show how many pass blocking holding calls the Giants have gotten against us in the last 10 years? They never got called even when Spencer, Ratliff and Ware were in their prime. Watching many games this year there seems to be a bias towards the Giants and Steelers and a bias totally against anything Dallas Cowboys.

This season just makes the bogus Dez overturned catch all the more painful. Am I wrong about the officiating? Is it just me?

I didn't have an issue with the call against Claiborne, but the blocking call on McFadden's TD was huge in a game where we're missing our starting QB and best WR. They get that one right, then we're kicking a field goal to tie the game 27-27 and possibly send it into overtime.

Although last year ended on a sour officiating note for us, I thought the officiating was pretty even. We've gone back to getting the short end of it this year (although I will say they missed the false start by Clutts, so it wasn't like the Giants benefited from every call).

 

[gmoney112]

In the NFL's attempt to make the rules more objective, they've actually just done the opposite and made it more subjective than anything. Unless that was actually their purpose.

The officiating is terrible league wide, sure. But we definitely got hosed yesterday and more often than not, get the short end of the stick. I watch a ton of football. Yeah, i'm a diehard Cowboys fan, but i also make it a point to stay objective. There's bias, not blatant, but someone noted the human factor, and that's correct.

Another point a poster made was NE, Pitt, and the Packers get favorable calls a lot. The Eagles do too and the Giants get away with a lot during our games. Watch those teams every week, then watch ours. I'm not sayin', but i'm sayin'.

Refs usually become refs because they're fans of the game. Fans usually have teams they grew up rooting for. The Cowboys also have the spotlight of 1000 suns on them, because we are indisputably America's team.

I do think BB/Kraft has a picture of Goodell on a bender or something of that nature, a team caught cheating in multiple ways still manages to gain favoritism in officiating. It's strange. If he was in Dallas he'd have to scrape the pick play entirely. I'm wagering Kraft organized a little "post New England Rotary Club Charter party" and Goodell got a little too turnt up.

 

[gimmesix]

I thought Mo did interfere...he had both arms around him while the ball was in the air.

On the int by Cassel on the deep throw that fluttered, Williams is running, sees the ball is short and tries to slow down....the Giants CB runs directly into him with his back turned to the ball and hinders him from coming back to the ball which is intercepted. That is textbook pass interference.

The McFadden screen was horrible and even the league apologist Perierra admitted it really wasn't what the league is trying to stop.

The one pass that Randle beat Carr on the side, he clearly pushed off extending his arm, which they say they will always call, yet he wasn't called.

So yes, I do think we got hosed by the officials. Always seems to happen. Even the interception that got overturned, it was questionable that there was a clear shot showing that.

I agree on the Clairborne and McFadden calls. I'm not sure I agree on Williams. Randle and Carr were hand-fighting, so it would have been ticky-tack IMO to call offensive pass interference. The interception clearly hit the ground.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

It's horrific, it really is, and to watch your team be screwed while others (cough-New England-cough) abuse the hell out of the rules is a giant slap in the face.

"Screw you NFL fans, you'll be back for more. ha-ha-ha-ha !"- NFL brass

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I agree on the Clairborne and McFadden calls. I'm not sure I agree on Williams. Randle and Carr were hand-fighting, so it would have been ticky-tack IMO to call offensive pass interference. The interception clearly hit the ground.

I have seen less called PI than the hit on Williams. Remember that DB wasn't looking for the ball and ran into Williams. That is PI

 

[Everson24]

Officiating is bad all across the board.

Of course it seems like worse for the Cowboys because we're Cowboys fans so we notice it even more when it's happening to us.

But it's really piss poor all across the board.

It has been proven that the Dallas Cowboys are the most hated team in the league by other fans (although the Patriots are gaining on us). The Steelers and the Packers are two of the most loved franchises. Why wouldn't a bias also show amongst NFL officials? I believe it does especially when it come to benefit of doubt calls.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We need to go out there and beat a team.

When you're always in one score games individual ref decisions are of course going to seem huge.

Refs are not biased against the Cowboys. We are biased against the refs because we irrationally love the Cowboys.

 

[Wayne02]

Every team gets calls that go against them that are terrible, the Giants had bad calls called against them as well.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It has been proven that the Dallas Cowboys are the most hated team in the league by other fans (although the Patriots are gaining on us). The Steelers and the Packers are two of the most loved franchises. Why wouldn't a bias also show amongst NFL officials? I believe it does especially when it come to benefit of doubt calls.

Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish. I'm not here to sell anyone on anything. I'm just saying from my own perspective, watching tons of games every week for years now, that these terrible calls, and bad officiating happens everywhere.

Tampa Bay was flagged for something like 16 or 17 flags on Sunday. They weren't all good calls.

These things happen all around the league, from what I see week in and week out.