The one player you don't trust

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Generally people are dumb. How you blame the Packerrs loss on Romo is beyond me.

The players I do not trust are injury prone
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You blame the Green Bay loss on Romo?

He put the Dez non-catch pass right where it needed to be. He handed the ball just fine to Murray when he fumbled running through a hole the size of a humvee.

IMO the non-catch and Murray's fumble are the two biggest reasons Dallas didn't go to Seattle.

The play calling was coming from the sideline, and really I didn't see anything wrong with it anyway.

It wasn't Romo's fault, that's for sure.

I think it is hard to trust Romo if the offense returns to asking him to do too much. We all saw the results and that caused Romo to ha labeled as a choker when he tried to do too much and he made some mistakes at the worst possible times. Last year, the running game took the pressure off of Romo and I hope this tree continues.
 

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I doubt very seriously McFadden will produce the tough runs Murray gave us. He may run through some holes but I question his ability to power and stiff arm his way and make some of the gains we saw Murray make last season. Go back to the Seattle game Murray had to scratch and claw for every one of his 115 yards. McFadden wouldn't have produced with as little room to run that Murray had that day. They showed a segment on NFLN of all the tough, dirty yards Murray picked up last season that kept the chains moving and these were some impressive plays where he had little to no room to maneuver. We'll see what McFadden and company can do but I'm not going to be convinced of anything with him or the other backs the Cowboys have until they prove it.

That is fair enough.

However, didn't Randle have to scratch and claw for his 52 yards on 5 carries at Seattle? It doesn't seem to you that Randle would have gotten Murray's 115 yards if he would have gotten Murray's 28 carries? I think he would have.

We will find out I suppose.
 

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I think it is hard to trust Romo if the offense returns to asking him to do too much. We all saw the results and that caused Romo to ha labeled as a choker when he tried to do too much and he made some mistakes at the worst possible times. Last year, the running game took the pressure off of Romo and I hope this tree continues.

They are going to continue to run the ball, period. Garrett has said so:

We’re going to run the football this year, that was a good formula for us,” Garrett said. “We’re a physical football team and running the football is going to be a big part of what we do.''

http://dal.scout.com/story/1535842-cowboys-fibs-truths-rb-situation?s=112

Garrett and Linehan both know that the run game was a big part of the success of last year. They aren't about to start throwing it all the time just because Murray left. The entire offense and the line is geared towards a strong running game with the passing game converting on 3rd down.
 

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That is fair enough.

However, didn't Randle have to scratch and claw for his 52 yards on 5 carries at Seattle? It doesn't seem to you that Randle would have gotten Murray's 115 yards if he would have gotten Murray's 28 carries? I think he would have.

We will find out I suppose.

Randle hardly had to scratch and claw 38 of his 52 yards came on one carry vs Seattle. Everyone talks about his YPC average but it's been inflated by several long runs. I don't see him getting a lot of tough yards. Take that 38 yard run away from and he would have only gained 14 yards and 4 carries. Murray's longest run vs Seattle was 25 yards so he had fight for the yards he got and he did a lot better job than Randle. Randle gets to come in with fresh legs and when he's carried the ball more than 10 times he hasn't produced. He had 13 carries vs Indy and only averaged 2.8 a carry.
 

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I'm sorry..

and some will hate me..

but my answer is Tony Romo.

I just don'the trust he can get us where we want to go.

I saw it again in the Packer playoff game.

I know everybody wants to point at the Dez non-catch as the reason we lost..

or the lack of a pass rush.

But even with all that..

the defense had them down 21-6 in the 3rd Qt. and we clearly had control of the game.

Lack of pass rush wasn't that much of a factor.

The problem was..

Romo couldn't close the deal.

The offense went into a shell and he stopped throwing except on 3rd downs when the Packers were ready.

And the Dez throw was a despair throw like I have seen him do throughout his career.

All we needed was a first down and keep the chains moving and he went deep for the Hero Ball.

It was like only 2nd down when he did that as I recall.

So to me..no matter what else Romo does..

He has to win playoff games..

not turn the ball over and win when HE HAS TO IN BIG GAMES.

Like all the big boy QB'S do.

Hey..be realistic if you reply here as what I just said is a truism until Romo proves otherwise.


lmao Where do people come up with stuff like this? Romo lost the GB game?

(stupid is as stupid does)
 

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Randle hardly had to scratch and claw 38 of his 52 yards came on one carry vs Seattle. Everyone talks about his YPC average but it's been inflated by several long runs. I don't see him getting a lot of tough yards. Take that 38 yard run away from and he would have only gained 14 yards and 4 carries. Murray's longest run vs Seattle was 25 yards so he had fight for the yards he got and he did a lot better job than Randle. Randle gets to come in with fresh legs and when he's carried the ball more than 10 times he hasn't produced. He had 13 carries vs Indy and only averaged 2.8 a carry.

I figured you'd answer that way because it is a typical response whenever somebody wants to minimize a RB. We could take away a couple of Murray's bigger runs to make the rest of his runs look worse.

If we look at Randle's opportunities to run with the ball, he took just as much advantage of them as Murray did... DeMarco just got a whole lot more chances.

Do I think Randle will get as many of the hard physical yards as Murray? No, he isn't quite as strong as Murray.

Do I think Randle will take more advantage of some of the open field runs that Murray had? Yes, he has better speed, vision, and run instincts than Murray.

I watched every snap of the Seattle game, same as you. Randle could have taken advantage of what the OL was giving him, just like Murray did. Maybe Randle would have gotten more. Maybe he would have gotten less. But either back would have worked Seattle that day.

So, while we could sit and debate this type of stuff all day long, IMO, aside from small variations, either back would have had a good day against Seattle.

You think Randle won't do well, and I do. Only time will tell us the answer to that.
 

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I figured you'd answer that way because it is a typical response whenever somebody wants to minimize a RB. We could take away a couple of Murray's bigger runs to make the rest of his runs look worse.

If we look at Randle's opportunities to run with the ball, he took just as much advantage of them as Murray did... DeMarco just got a whole lot more chances.

Do I think Randle will get as many of the hard physical yards as Murray? No, he isn't quite as strong as Murray.

Do I think Randle will take more advantage of some of the open field runs that Murray had? Yes, he has better speed, vision, and run instincts than Murray.

I watched every snap of the Seattle game, same as you. Randle could have taken advantage of what the OL was giving him, just like Murray did. Maybe Randle would have gotten more. Maybe he would have gotten less. But either back would have worked Seattle that day.

So, while we could sit and debate this type of stuff all day long, IMO, aside from small variations, either back would have had a good day against Seattle.

You think Randle won't do well, and I do. Only time will tell us the answer to that.

Most of Randle's opportunities came after Murray softened up the defense. If Randle could take advantage of what the OL provides Murray wouldn't have received almost 400 carries last season and Randle would have received more than 51 carries. From what I saw watching the Seattle game and from watching Randle's career he wouldn't have had the staying power to plow through the Legion of Doom over 4 quarters and 28 carries that's my opinion. Murray has had some very productive games behind every OL the Cowboys have had since 2011. None of the backs the Cowboys have had the past 4 seasons including Randle has run as efficiently when given the opportunity over a number of carries except Murray which is why he was the established starter and team rode him hard last season.

I'm not saying Randle won't do well what I'm saying is I'm not convinced he, McFadden or any of the Cowboys backs will provide the dirty yards that Murray provided last season that kept the chains moving consistently and kept Romo from having to put the ball up 35 plus times a game. Julius Jones use to break off long runs but he wasn't consistent over the course of a game which is why he flamed out. Any back can break off a 30-40 yard run then average 3.6 yards the rest of the game. That simply isn't going to cut it if the Cowboys expect to be the team they were last season and improve on it.
 

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You think Randle won't do well, and I do. Only time will tell us the answer to that.

You won't find a post from me saying Randle won't do well. I've been saying all offseason I don't know how any of these backs will do but one thing I'm sure of is Randle is not going to be bell cow back that will produce 1200 yard seasons. I'll be ready to eat crow if he becomes that type of back. Felix Jones looked spectacular with limited carries breaking off lengthy runs but once his workload increased his very impressive YPC average dropped dramatically and he was never the same back.
 

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You won't find a post from me saying Randle won't do well. I've been saying all offseason I don't know how any of these backs will do but one thing I'm sure of is not going to be bell cow back that will produce 1200 yard seasons. I'll be ready to eat crow if he becomes that type of back.

Unfortunately, that type of back isn't on this roster. Even if DMC stays healthy, I don't know how effective he would be over 4 quarters and moving the pile :(

I don't see Randle being able to carry the load either, so it looks like a committee to start the season. We do need that bruiser who can get those "dirty" yards.

Maybe I am wrong and someone wins the starter role and is our bell-cow getting 80% of the snaps.........
 

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You won't find a post from me saying Randle won't do well. I've been saying all offseason I don't know how any of these backs will do but one thing I'm sure of is Randle is not going to be bell cow back that will produce 1200 yard seasons. I'll be ready to eat crow if he becomes that type of back. Felix Jones looked spectacular with limited carries breaking off lengthy runs but once his workload increased his very impressive YPC average dropped dramatically and he was never the same back.
Question. Why would you say that you will eat crow if what you are certain what won't happen will never come to fruition?
 

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lol There sure are a lot of posters quoting these "dirty yards" stuff. Funny thing to me is, I had really never heard that phrase until Garrett came out with it...now, because he said it about Murray, all of a sudden some posters are worried about those magical "dirty yards"
 

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Unfortunately, that type of back isn't on this roster. Even if DMC stays healthy, I don't know how effective he would be over 4 quarters and moving the pile :(

I don't see Randle being able to carry the load either, so it looks like a committee to start the season. We do need that bruiser who can get those "dirty" yards.

Maybe I am wrong and someone wins the starter role and is our bell-cow getting 80% of the snaps.........

With the backs the Cowboys currently have it will definitely be a committee and we have to hope one of them steps up and provides the tough runs that will keep the chains moving consistently like last season. If the Cowboys start having a issue there they won't be able to control the ball and the defense will spend more time on the field.
 

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Question. Why would you say that you will eat crow if what you are certain what won't happen will never come to fruition?

That is called saving grace for when he gets something wrong...which he does, but he sure as hell won't ever admit it! lol

It's the same tactic that other posters use...they dog the hell out of anything and everything Cowboys, but at the end of their little rants they say, "but, I hope I'm wrong".
 

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That is called saving grace for when he gets something wrong...which he does, but he sure as hell won't ever admit it! lol

It's the same tactic that other posters use...they dog the hell out of anything and everything Cowboys, but at the end of their little rants they say, "but, I hope I'm wrong".
I know. I just want to see it he will post exactly that.
 

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Question. Why would you say that you will eat crow if what you are certain what won't happen will never come to fruition?

Just because I'm sure something won't happen doesn't mean it won't come to fruition. I was sure the Cowboys wouldn't win 12 games last season or even make the playoffs and ended up eating crow.
 

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Just because I'm sure something won't happen doesn't mean it won't come to fruition. I was sure the Cowboys wouldn't win 12 games last season or even make the playoffs and ended up eating crow.

Then that means you are not "sure". Try replacing "I'm sure" with "I'm uncertain" something won't happen. We know you think you know everything Cowboys, but stop with all the passive aggressive crap.
 
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