The one thing I hope Jerry & company learn from the Roy Williams trade

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ninja;3198316 said:
Hindsight is 20/20.:rolleyes:

Where were you when the Roy Williams trade was made?

Almost everyone at this board and others were for the trade AT THE TIME. If memory serves me right, most in the media thought it was a good trade AT THE TIME.

Here you come, now. A year and a half later.

No one knew Miles was going to develop into the sensation he has. Even at the beginning of the year, many laughed at Miles suggesting that he is trying to become the number 1 WR for the Cowboys.

If you are so good at predicting, I'm sure you could make a lot of money. 31 other GMs would love to know who the booms and busts are.

I'll say it again for you. AT THE TIME, the Roy Williams trade made sense. It hasn't panned out that way. Get over it. It is no specific one's fault.

Jery Jones has put together a fine football team that just won the NFC East. Give him credit. Stop worrying about Roy.

I thought we overpaid and was against doing so AT THE TIME.

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dstew60105;3198359 said:
HOSED? Come on it was a low first and third. That trade only backfires it we take Michael Oher in the first. Let the trade play out. If Roy scores the winning TD against the Eagles will he still be a bum?

That first would have been good enough for that Oher OL, Percy Harvin and Hakeem Nicks. The pick wasn't a bad one at all as many talented players went off the board there. That is a better group of players then you see in many top 10 picks in prior years - go take a look at the group the year Ware was drafted for comparison.
 

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wileedog;3198384 said:
I didn't like the trade, but there was no way I thought he would be this bad.

I don't think any of us thought it would be this bad. He has virtually imploded w/i 2 years at the age of 27.
 

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ninja;3198316 said:
Hindsight is 20/20.:rolleyes:

Where were you when the Roy Williams trade was made?

Almost everyone at this board and others were for the trade AT THE TIME. If memory serves me right, most in the media thought it was a good trade AT THE TIME.

Here you come, now. A year and a half later.

No one knew Miles was going to develop into the sensation he has. Even at the beginning of the year, many laughed at Miles suggesting that he is trying to become the number 1 WR for the Cowboys.

If you are so good at predicting, I'm sure you could make a lot of money. 31 other GMs would love to know who the booms and busts are.

I'll say it again for you. AT THE TIME, the Roy Williams trade made sense. It hasn't panned out that way. Get over it. It is no specific one's fault.

Jery Jones has put together a fine football team that just won the NFC East. Give him credit. Stop worrying about Roy.

Since you apparently didn't grasp the point I was trying to make, let me try again just for you.

The point isn't about what Roy is doing or not doing, it's about the people in charge who make these decisions. It's about the management and not making the same mistakes twice. If this is what it takes to get through to Jerry, then the trade is worth it to me and that's the main point I'm trying to make. It wasn't a rag on Roy post, I didn't even bring up any stats about him. If Jerry has learned from what appears to be a mistake, then that's the silver lining to this deal I was trying to point out.

As I said, I don't believe a team with good coaching, scouting and player development needs to subject themselves to the risk of a trade like this not working out. .

It's understandable to miss on a draft pick, but it's inexcusable to miss this bad on a proven veteran. If I have my math right, next year will be his 7th in the league. How long does the man need to develop? It makes no sense to make this kind of trade in order to develop a player.

You're also wrong about Miles, several people thought he was going to be very good, Jerry even said he thought he could replace TO (Great job Jerry! How's that for credit due?) and Ray Sherman has been very high on him and tried to convince Tennessee to draft him, recently Sherman said:

"He has the tools,,You get the feeling, you know, just a feeling he was going to be special." (source http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/columns/story?columnist=watkins_calvin&id=4780537)

As far as where I was when the trade occurred, I was in the same place you probably were, watching the tube and reading the internet and making observations without any inside information.

Therefore, I have to rely on hindsight in order to make any kind of reasonably accurate observations. I made no predictions about Roy but I did hope for the best. I had no choice but to trust the guys in charge knew what they were doing. Therefore, I raised an eyebrow at the cost and draft picks and crossed my fingers. The thing that bothered me most at the time is I didn't think the trade needed to be made because I think there was a good chance we could have signed him as a restricted free agent in the off season because he was from Texas and would most likely choose Dallas over any other team (I realize there was some talk over whether he would get a franchise tag--which in retrospect I doubt he would have been given).

As far as the orders you barked at me, I'll do any damn thing I please. I am happy with winning the division and I enjoy discussing how this team can be better and that includes reflecting on past mistakes. If you don't like my posts, don't read them but if you do, work on your reading comprehension because it's sorely lacking
 

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If he didn't learn after the Joey Galloway trade, I'm not confident he's going to learn from the Roy Williams trade.

Stephen should be given free reign to slap Jerry's hairpiece off the next time he brings up trading for a talented but underachieving WR with first round draft picks.
 

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InmanRoshi;3198508 said:
If he didn't learn after the Joey Galloway trade, I'm not confident he's going to learn from the Roy Williams trade.

Stephen should be given free reign to slap Jerry's hairpiece off the next time he brings up trading for a talented but underachieving WR with first round draft picks.

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InmanRoshi;3198508 said:
If he didn't learn after the Joey Galloway trade, I'm not confident he's going to learn from the Roy Williams trade.

I'm on record as being down on Jerry as anyone, but I think there is evidence that Jerry is reflective, can learn from his mistakes and improve.

I think it took a lot for him to release Owens and to some degree Tank, Pacman & Ellis. I don't believe these decisions were made on his own and if true, someone has his ear and he has been rewarded this year for listening which bodes well for the Cowboys and us as fans.

I just hope the rewards continue this Saturday by getting the dang playoff monkey off our backs.
 

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While that was an excellent post; I hope Jerruh learns more than *one* thing about the RW trade. He should learn.. something like.. I dunno... 54 million things.
 

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Doomsday;3197975 said:
Then give Ogletree a chance. It took them way too long to get Romo, Miles and a few others worked into the starting line up. Im not saying OT should start but I think he he should be given a shot at the position next season.

Steven Jones will be taking a more active role in personnel decisions.
 

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yimyammer;3198494 said:
Since you apparently didn't grasp the point I was trying to make, let me try again just for you...

Therefore, I have to rely on hindsight in order to make any kind of reasonably accurate observations.

I can pick every draft bust/boom and free agent bust/boom relying on hindsight. Heck, I can even pick the winning lottery numbers 100% with hindsight.:bang2: :)

Welcome to the real world where decisions have to be made without the luxury of hindsight.
 

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InmanRoshi;3198508 said:
If he didn't learn after the Joey Galloway trade, I'm not confident he's going to learn from the Roy Williams trade.

Stephen should be given free reign to slap Jerry's hairpiece off the next time he brings up trading for a talented but underachieving WR with first round draft picks.

Jerry isn't nearly as dumb as you make him out to be. From the Galloway trade he learned not to trade away first round picks, as in plural, or more than one. This time he only traded away one first rounder. See, he is learning and definitely didn't make the same mistake twice.
 

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ninja;3198598 said:
I can pick every draft bust/boom and free agent bust/boom relying on hindsight. Heck, I can even pick the winning lottery numbers 100% with hindsight.:bang2: :)

Welcome to the real world where decisions have to be made without the luxury of hindsight.

In the real world only suckers pay top dollar for lemons

You've been sucked!
 

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InmanRoshi;3198508 said:
If he didn't learn after the Joey Galloway trade, I'm not confident he's going to learn from the Roy Williams trade.

Stephen should be given free reign to slap Jerry's hairpiece off the next time he brings up trading for a talented but underachieving WR with first round draft picks.

How do you know Stephen wasnt totally on board with the idea?

Answer- you dont.

Also fyi since apparently you either forgot or had no clue, but Joey Galloway was not an udnerachiver when we traded for him. He was regarded as the 2nd most explosive WR in the league, really close to Moss.
 

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InmanRoshi;3198508 said:
If he didn't learn after the Joey Galloway trade, I'm not confident he's going to learn from the Roy Williams trade.

Stephen should be given free reign to slap Jerry's hairpiece off the next time he brings up trading for a talented but underachieving WR with first round draft picks.

Heres the difference between Jerry and a real GM who has to produce to keep his job: A real GM calls his many contacts he has acquired around the league after many years of paying dues. Those contacts who respect him, tell him RW is a lazy, excuse making, chronic under achiever and if you are gonna take a flyer on him, dont give up the farm. Jerry on the other hand is surrounded by lap dogs who depend on him to pay their mortgage. Thats the difference.
 

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dbair1967;3198340 said:
So? He was theoretically right. RW was a a talent and had put up good numbers on a bad team. They ran a similar style passing attack, so it wasnt far fetched to think that a guy who was a #1 WR there and had put some good numbers (and been to a probowl) would vastly improve our passing game here.

Are you kidding? Jerry learn from his mistakes? Galloway! TO! Roy! There is a pretty long list and Roy and His two picks and $45 million is probably, to date, his worst. You have to accept Jerry the way you accept Flo Adams with his penalties. Jerry commits penalties also and always will but hopefully he is worth the price. Hopefully!
 

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Dave_in-NC;3198058 said:
Again I ask, could it be any worse than #11? He doesn't look like he has any thing mastered, including the play book. He certainly doesn't have any of Romos confidence.

Yea, that is a good point. Its not like Roy is out there running good routes or where he is suppose to be.
 

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Rockytop6;3198895 said:
Are you kidding? Jerry learn from his mistakes? Galloway! TO! Roy! There is a pretty long list and Roy and His two picks and $45 million is probably, to date, his worst. You have to accept Jerry the way you accept Flo Adams with his penalties. Jerry commits penalties also and always will but hopefully he is worth the price. Hopefully!

Other front offices make plenty of mistakes, too, ya know. Jerry had a span in which he was bar none the worst general manager in football. The span lasted a good decade, if not longer.

But if you ask me, we've been among the better teams in the league in acquiring (drafting/signing) and developing talent since Parcells took this team over.

Yeah, Carpenter was a bust. Spears isn't quite a first-round-production player. Stanback was a reach. The Roy trade was a mess. But look around, other teams are missing too.

For the misses, we've come up with a number of steals and, quite frankly, deft moves. Far, far outweighing the bad.

And while there are a number of players on this team for which Parcells gets the credit, we have a bunch of new guys now that Parcells had nothing to do with.
 

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It was on his coaching staff request that they go and get a receiver to go with T.O., as at the time Miles had not proven himself, due to the coaching staff Wade and Garrett not giving him the opportunity to show his stuff. He only got this chance when they had to start due to Roy's injury

So Jerry did not just go out on his own. after the 07 season the staff told Jerry they needed a WR, Jerry wanted Boldin but the Cardinals told him at the time he inquired about Boldin, that Boldinwill not be traded, then later on after Jerry had committed himself to making the move with the lions, the Cards then started saying they wanted a 1st and a 3rd for Boldin, after we gave up more than that for Roy.
 
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