The price for not keeping Dalton Schultz

[rambo2]

Overall, how it was handed was stupid.

An injury prone TE in the 2nd. Gads, I sure hope it's not back to the same ol' same ol'.

All tight ends are injury prone.

 

[kskboys]

All tight ends are injury prone.

Kelce has missed one game since 2014, the year he started playing full time.

Gawd that was easy. Did you say that just to say it?

 

[Buzzbait]

Schoon is a better blocker and will be equal to Schultz receiving. He wasn't a reach at 58. Not at all. I'm glad they moved on from Schultz and that paycheck. Give me that rookie deal.

BTW the FO didn't feel like TE was a need. They wanted to improve the blocking. A chance to upgrade the blocking and replace Schultz fell into their laps.

I'm with ya big dog, I think Schoonmaker is just what we need at the TE spot. I'm just disappointed he's missing time with that foot ailment right now. I hope that clears up soon, we need him.

 

[rambo2]

Kelce has missed one game since 2014, the year he started playing full time.

Gawd that was easy. Did you say that just to say it?

Schoonmaker hasn't missed any.

 

[Buzzbait]

No rational person would say Schoonmaker fell into the Cowboys lap. He was a 3rd round pick at best who got pushed up because of the TE run.

He does nothing for me. He's just a guy.

"Fell into the Cowboys lap"? No I wouldn't say that either, but I do believe Schoonmaker was a good pick and that the Cowboys had solid reasons to justify their decision. I just hope this foot ailment doesn't last too long, they need him.

 

[speedkilz88]

Injury History​

Date	League	Injury	Details
Sep 3, 2013	NFL	Knee Patella Fracture	Kelce had arthroscopic surgery on his bothersome knee, which revealed a cartilage issue that led to a microfracture procedure. He missed all but 1 play of 2013 but didn't lose another game to the knee. Original injury deemed a bone bruise.
Oct 19, 2014	NFL	Chest Rib Sprain/Pull Unspecified	Kelce sustained a rib injury but played through it. HC Andy Reid called it a sore rib "mostly up in the cartilage area."
Aug 31, 2015	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Kelce suffered an ankle sprain in a preseason practice. He sat out the 4th preseason contest, though HC Andy Reid said he would have played if it were a regular-season game. Kelce returned for Week 1.
Oct 8, 2017	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Kelce suffered a concussion against the Texans. He was initially cleared to return to the game but showed some short-term memory loss at halftime. Kelce cleared the protocol in time to play the following week.
Jan 6, 2018	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Kelce missed the 2nd half of the Wild Card Round loss to the Titans with a concussion. It was his 2nd of the season.
Feb 28, 2017	NFL	Shoulder	Kelce had February shoulder surgery that HC Andy Reid indicated was a "cleanup" type procedure. He missed no game time, and it's not clear what the original injury was (which also caused no missed game time).
Jan 8, 2020	NFL	Knee Strain Grade 1	Kelce had practiced on a limited basis due to knee soreness ahead of Divisional Round matchup against the Texans
Oct 10, 2021	NFL	Cervical Neck Stinger	Kelce suffered "a little bit of a stinger" during Week 5's loss to the Bills. He was good for the next game.

 

[rambo2]

Injury History​

Date	League	Injury	Details
Sep 3, 2013	NFL	Knee Patella Fracture	Kelce had arthroscopic surgery on his bothersome knee, which revealed a cartilage issue that led to a microfracture procedure. He missed all but 1 play of 2013 but didn't lose another game to the knee. Original injury deemed a bone bruise.
Oct 19, 2014	NFL	Chest Rib Sprain/Pull Unspecified	Kelce sustained a rib injury but played through it. HC Andy Reid called it a sore rib "mostly up in the cartilage area."
Aug 31, 2015	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Kelce suffered an ankle sprain in a preseason practice. He sat out the 4th preseason contest, though HC Andy Reid said he would have played if it were a regular-season game. Kelce returned for Week 1.
Oct 8, 2017	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Kelce suffered a concussion against the Texans. He was initially cleared to return to the game but showed some short-term memory loss at halftime. Kelce cleared the protocol in time to play the following week.
Jan 6, 2018	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Kelce missed the 2nd half of the Wild Card Round loss to the Titans with a concussion. It was his 2nd of the season.
Feb 28, 2017	NFL	Shoulder	Kelce had February shoulder surgery that HC Andy Reid indicated was a "cleanup" type procedure. He missed no game time, and it's not clear what the original injury was (which also caused no missed game time).
Jan 8, 2020	NFL	Knee Strain Grade 1	Kelce had practiced on a limited basis due to knee soreness ahead of Divisional Round matchup against the Texans
Oct 10, 2021	NFL	Cervical Neck Stinger	Kelce suffered "a little bit of a stinger" during Week 5's loss to the Bills. He was good for the next game.

Looks like Kelce is injury prone.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yeah, counting stats is generally not a great way to evaluate players.

To say you completely missed the point would be a huge understatement.

 

[Buzzbait]

They thought Tyler Smith was a reach as well and they were absolutely wrong.

Exactly. Somebody always throws that "reach" stuff out on the table if the Cowboys don't go with their own personal favorite. Everybody is an expert when it comes to the draft.

 

[Verdict]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

I would have moved on from Dalton Shultz no matter who we drafted.

 

[rambo2]

Exactly. Somebody always throws that "reach" stuff out on the table if the Cowboys don't go with their own personal favorite. Everybody is an expert when it comes to the draft.

Some were pissed when they drafted Parsons.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Pretty sure Schultz had refused a long term contract with us for much more money than he ended up signing for. He basically took the Houston deal because no one made him an offer close to what he thought he was worth. He was not a game changer and was a liability in the run game. I have no problem with them releasing him.

 

[AsthmaField]

Injury History​

Date	League	Injury	Details
Sep 3, 2013	NFL	Knee Patella Fracture	Kelce had arthroscopic surgery on his bothersome knee, which revealed a cartilage issue that led to a microfracture procedure. He missed all but 1 play of 2013 but didn't lose another game to the knee. Original injury deemed a bone bruise.
Oct 19, 2014	NFL	Chest Rib Sprain/Pull Unspecified	Kelce sustained a rib injury but played through it. HC Andy Reid called it a sore rib "mostly up in the cartilage area."
Aug 31, 2015	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Kelce suffered an ankle sprain in a preseason practice. He sat out the 4th preseason contest, though HC Andy Reid said he would have played if it were a regular-season game. Kelce returned for Week 1.
Oct 8, 2017	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Kelce suffered a concussion against the Texans. He was initially cleared to return to the game but showed some short-term memory loss at halftime. Kelce cleared the protocol in time to play the following week.
Jan 6, 2018	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Kelce missed the 2nd half of the Wild Card Round loss to the Titans with a concussion. It was his 2nd of the season.
Feb 28, 2017	NFL	Shoulder	Kelce had February shoulder surgery that HC Andy Reid indicated was a "cleanup" type procedure. He missed no game time, and it's not clear what the original injury was (which also caused no missed game time).
Jan 8, 2020	NFL	Knee Strain Grade 1	Kelce had practiced on a limited basis due to knee soreness ahead of Divisional Round matchup against the Texans
Oct 10, 2021	NFL	Cervical Neck Stinger	Kelce suffered "a little bit of a stinger" during Week 5's loss to the Bills. He was good for the next game.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm with ya big dog, I think Schoonmaker is just what we need at the TE spot. I'm just disappointed he's missing time with that foot ailment right now. I hope that clears up soon, we need him.

He's what Bill Parcells was always looking for...to a T.

 

[CCBoy]

Looks like Kelce is injury prone.

A good health plan will take care of it all.

 

[Rockport]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

This from the dude who COLDNT WAIT to post the “Million days since an NFC Championship!”. Lame.

 

[Buzzbait]

Just for fun, took a gander at a couple of predraft ratings for schooner. 104 and 96. 96 is late 3rd, 104 is 4th.

Randomly looked. Not hard to find that he was not rated a 2nd round talent.

I've seen the Cowboys miss on some drafts and hit on some. If you pass on a guy that you really like because ESPN or whoever rates your guy as a 3rd or 4th rounder and then somebody grabs him in the 2nd after you just passed him up and the guy turns out to be an excellent player, welllllll, the ESPN 2nd guesser will probably have an excuse all ready to go.
The Cowboys thought Schoon was the right guy for their needs so I'm going with the Cowboys. Now if he just gets healthy and stays that way.......

 

[big dog cowboy]

Not hard to find that he was not rated a 2nd round talent.

Dallas Cowboys did. All that matters.

 

[Reid1boys]

Schultz was a good receiving TE in a pass friendly offense. Doesn't make him a very good TE at all. If he was a very good TE, the Cowboys would have resigned him. If he was a very good TE, he would have got more than a one year deal in FA. After all he is only 26 and should be in his prime.

you can count on 1 hand the number of TE in the entire league that have more yards, catches and TDs than Schultz had in the previous 3 seasons. You make it sound like we should be able to grab any TE coming out of JC and they will be able to just slide in and repeat those numbers since, afterall, hes just a decent receiving TE in a pass friendly offense.

Why doesnt every team have a TE that has 17 TDS in the past 3 years???

If Schultz is no biggie, then we should have never drafted another TE as Ferguson will be able to step right in and not miss a beat in the pass friendly offense.

Why wasnt Tolbert able to step in and do something in this "Pass friendly," offense?

 

[blueblood70]

One dimensional tight ends are not worth 9m a year.

Well he would be, I mean that's not a lot of money.. however they had a plan, so since they had a plan he was not worth keeping for $9 million


the plan was draft two tight ends in 2022 and one looked pretty solid with a lot of upside and then they drafted another in 2023..bases covered.