The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

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McCordsville Cowboy;1670648 said:
Superman would wrap up instead of throwing a shoulder.
You whiffed so hard on that the breeze has started a cold front.
 

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Hostile;1670854 said:
You whiffed so hard on that the breeze has started a cold front.
Can Brady Quinn and his ripped physique do what Romo did to the Bears? lol
 

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My last thought in this thread.

I get the feeling that if Roy makes that tackle, then this thread would wouldn't be near as long, simply because there would be nothing to whine about. That one play (huge, BTW) prevents some people to have any kinda perspective on an overall solid game.

Last week's Roy Appreciation thread after no major whiffs: 40 posts.

This week's Roy Sucks thread should be 200 posts before it's all said and done.

I think all the people who call for Roy to "improve" should probably realize that after 5 years in the league, this is the Roy we're going to get. He's probably got 2-3 more consistently very good years before his play will probably begin to level off to simply average. I really doubt there's anymore "potential" to Roy.
 

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bigbadroy;1670465 said:
this statement is laughable

It is, huh?

Harrison is 34, soon to be 35. He had knee problems durng the preseason and missed the final preseason game because of it. He played in only 10 games last season, then got hurt again in the playoffs. The year before that, he played in only three games. He's currently suspended for using HGH. And since 2004, he has a grand total of one interception, one sack, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery and zero tackles for loss -- and only one of those plays was the type of "game-changing play" people are demanding out of Roy each week (Harrison recovered a fumble after another player's sack against the Jets in 2005.)

And someone actually said they'd rather have Harrison? Heck, the Patriots themselves made him take a paycut this offseason, or they probably would have released him outright.
 

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AdamJT13;1670904 said:
It is, huh?

Harrison is 34, soon to be 35. He had knee problems durng the preseason and missed the final preseason game because of it. He played in only 10 games last season, then got hurt again in the playoffs. The year before that, he played in only three games. He's currently suspended for using HGH. And since 2004, he has a grand total of one interception, one sack, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery and zero tackles for loss -- and only one of those plays was the type of "game-changing play" people are demanding out of Roy each week (Harrison recovered a fumble after another player's sack against the Jets in 2005.)

And someone actually said they'd rather have Harrison? Heck, the Patriots themselves made him take a paycut this offseason, or they probably would have released him outright.
bigbadroy >>> :spanking: <<< AdamJT13.
 

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bigbadroy;1670923 said:
hey i dk what he's talking about. i was talking about bob sanders.

No you werent you specifically highlighted the part about Harrison and called it laughable
 

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BigDFan5;1670961 said:
No you werent you specifically highlighted the part about Harrison and called it laughable
The Bob Sanders comment was an inside joke between him and me. He was kidding.
 

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Hostile;1671000 said:
The Bob Sanders comment was an inside joke between him and me. He was kidding.


well that sucks :laugh2:

Sorry bbroy
 

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tomson75;1670241 said:
^^^^^^ THAT is a well thought out gripe. I can't really argue with much of that. Good stuff.

Thanks.....;)

YoMick;1670371 said:
"Expectations"
"Delusions"
"Superman"

I expect him to make a textbook tackle.

I get delusional when I see him hit someone and they run 35 more yards downfield

I dont think he is Superman

No, Superman is in your avator......;)

On this team, if you are talking of pulling on Superman's cape, you are talking about Romo and TO, and not anyone on defense. Unfortunately.

ThreeSportStar80;1670826 said:
Ahhh man stop it with the statistics! It's about impact plays and Roy's INT's have come when the games were pretty much over! I will give him credit for finding the ball on that strip by Remi though, Roy just needs to improve each week. Not wrapping up on a tackle and allowing the TE to rumble down the field is just a horrible play.

Yes, stats don't tell all, just not the nature of numbers. There is a huge difference between making the play by being aggressive or passively by grabbing shoelaces. There is a reason Roy hasn't forced any fumbles lately, but he did earlier in his career.

He plays different, not other way to say it. His pass deflections are up, and his interceptions are better. But his game changing powerful hits that might force a fumble or cause a dropped pass by a WR over the middle has decreased. Maybe the change will prolong his career, but it is hard to deny seeing the change. This is where it is harder to see it in the stats, and easier to see with your eyes.

Roy's game has changed. QBs do it all the time, maybe we should give Roy the benefit of the doubt here.

WoodysGirl;1670888 said:
My last thought in this thread.

I get the feeling that if Roy makes that tackle, then this thread would wouldn't be near as long, simply because there would be nothing to whine about. That one play (huge, BTW) prevents some people to have any kinda perspective on an overall solid game.

Last week's Roy Appreciation thread after no major whiffs: 40 posts.

This week's Roy Sucks thread should be 200 posts before it's all said and done.

I think all the people who call for Roy to "improve" should probably realize that after 5 years in the league, this is the Roy we're going to get. He's probably got 2-3 more consistently very good years before his play will probably begin to level off to simply average. I really doubt there's anymore "potential" to Roy.

Yes, I agree with this. Roy is what he is, still really solid, and at this point we really have to accept the good with the bad. With any secondary member, it is always better to go unnoticed.

Far too many times, Roy is noticed not only cause of his name itself, but because of his different style of play now. Roy is, and always will be, a high profile player on this team. A lightening rod for anything wrong with the secondary, this is just something that has to be accepted, not everyone is talking on this site about us, breaking down stats and such.

If you listen at the water cooler, anything wrong with the D is always coorelated to Roy. It is just the nature of the beast and hype that Roy really created to get drafted so high. As intense fans here, I know it is our duty to go against such things, but the truth is Roy has and always will be criticized harshly, even if it is just one play.

I will say this though, people have a memory, and Roy has shown a more passive style of play alot in recent years, not just one play. This is obvious to the eyes, and maybe not so obvious in the number of tackles he made. Sometimes it how you play the game, and right now, how Roy tackles is much more under debate than if he makes the tackle for the stats.
 

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Deep_Freeze;1670232 said:
I'm really on the middle with Roy......and yes, it is a very lonely place, lol.

I think most "expected"/"dreamed" of Roy coming in with his cape on like Superman (you remember the play) and dominanting the league like no other safety seen cause of the hype that surrounded him. Fully wanted DPOY consideration for him year in, year out. The thoughts back then were why take a safety that high, and the answers were always cause he is that special.

Then came his rookie year where he did meet some of those expectations, blowing up RBs in the back field, slashing through a sea of blockers to make a tackle, and throwing his body around striking fear into WRs.

And we have Roy now, the numbers maybe there, but as an engineer, I can tell you numbers don't tell you anywhere near the whole story. Is he a top safety?? Yes. Is he wearing the cape we thought he would be?? Nope.

Now, some will put this as unreasonable expectations, and in some ways I agree with that. Expecting a DPOY candidate year in, year out, is just too much to put on a guy. The "bashers" see the missed tackles and lack of big game changing hits (after all, if you look through the fog, this is where the difference lies).

Roy doesn't throw his body around with reckless abandon anymore, and has a tendency to go for the leg tackle or body block alot more without doing a form tackle like he used to. I remember when you saw any guy close to Roy, and he was down with an automatic tackle, no questions asked. Heck, I even remember saying this to people, now that can't be said. Instead of making the player go backwards by bringing the hammer, he is going backwards grabbing shoelances or trying some body block without wrapping up a whole lot more than he used to.

I have changed my own expectations for Roy, knowing that he will be solid, but not the Superman that some think he should be and really was in his early days.


Thank you, and thats how I feel on this issue, my problem with Roy is that he is being paid more than his production merits, and most people continue to give him a pass.
 

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JIGGYFLY;1671289 said:
Roy is being paid more than his production merits

No he is not ...... he is being paid like a top 5 safety ..... which he clearly is.
 

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zrinkill;1671297 said:
No he is not ...... he is being paid like a top 5 safety ..... which he clearly is.

There was a time when the debate was between Reed and Roy for number 1, now he is Top 5 HMMMMM.
 

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JIGGYFLY;1671987 said:
There was a time when the debate was between Reed and Roy for number 1, now he is Top 5 HMMMMM.

I see you still haven't found anything substantial to refute that he isn't top five (or number one [although at that point it becomes pretty damn subjective]). You'd rather just claim some BS about this discussion being only about Roy and Reed and continue to skirt the questions asked of you.
 

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JIGGYFLY;1671987 said:
There was a time when the debate was between Reed and Roy for number 1, now he is Top 5 HMMMMM.

Now you are switching your argument ....

You said he is being paid "more than his production merits" (he is the 3rd highest paid safety in the league) ..... He is being paid what he deserves to be paid.

Ed Reed is a Free Safety ..... thats not the same position sport.

Back when Roy played Free safety their was debate ..... now they play different positions.
 
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