The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

[Mavs Man]

There's a Tank Johnson who plays safety?

Tank Williams?

I keep seeing our Tank Johnson called Tank Williams. It's easy to get them mixed up, I suppose - not too many Tanks playing in the NFL.

The name is more fitting for a NT, though.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Tank Williams?

I keep seeing our Tank Johnson called Tank Williams. It's easy to get them mixed up, I suppose - not too many Tanks playing in the NFL.

The name is more fitting for a NT, though.

Well that makes sense. This thread has lots of twists and turns going on.

Part of the rinse cycle superpunk talked about earlier.

 

[Mavs Man]

Well that makes sense. This thread has lots of twists and turns going on.

Part of the rinse cycle superpunk talked about earlier.

I thought this thread was over when I posted the coverage statistics, but apparently Roy good/bad? has as many lives as Jason Vorhees.

But it's still far behind Julius Jones/Marion Barber ... Chad Hutchinson/Quincy Carter ...

 

[junk]

I thought this thread was over when I posted the coverage statistics, but apparently Roy good/bad? has as many lives as Jason Vorhees.

But it's still far behind Julius Jones/Marion Barber ... Chad Hutchinson/Quincy Carter ...

I don't think its good/bad. I think people like to exaggerate and get their panties in a bunch if you direct any criticism/praise towards the guy.

He's struggled with certain things the last couple of years. Bring them up and all you can get is comments like "All safeties struggle" and "You are so dense".

Instead of trying to discuss why he's struggled or what might have to change to fix the things he's struggled with, people just get defensive and resort to name calling.

Real stimulating conversation.

 

[superpunk]

I think people like to exaggerate and get their panties in a bunch if you direct any praise towards the guy.

Exactly.

He's struggled with certain things the last couple of years. Bring them up and all you can get is comments like "All safeties struggle" and "You are so dense".

Instead of trying to discuss why he's struggled or what might have to change to fix the things he's struggled with, people just get defensive and resort to name calling.

Real stimulating conversation.

You should see what it's like from the other side. Once you've tried to have a legitimate conversation for the umpteenth time, and continue to get "Those stats are worthless", "I know what my eyes tell me", and "I don't care what other safeties do."

It's maddening to see that level of stubbornness.

Not that you'd know anything about that, tho. You're always very open minded about Roy, and ready and willing to listen to any reasonable defense of his play with perspective to the rest of the league, aren't you?

 

[EMMITTnROY]

I thought this thread was over when I posted the coverage statistics, but apparently Roy good/bad? has as many lives as Jason Vorhees.

Yeah, I think I've created the neverending thread and I didn't even mean to.. Geesh..

What kills me is that no matter what thread it is, if Roy is mentioned, good or bad or indifferent, that thread ends up becoming a Roy bashing/defending/bashing thread.. The guy can't do anything right in some people's eyes.. (He even ended up getting ripped up and down in an article thread that honored his off the field charitable contributions and character!!)And don't tell me that he can't do anything wrong in some people's eyes.. If you look at Roy's supporters, we all admit that he makes mistakes, but we know that everyone does and that he more than makes up for those with great plays.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

There's a Tank Johnson who plays safety?

The last name is wrong but he is a safety from Stanford

 

[JIGGYFLY]

I'm not great at math... but I'm counting more then two.

Did not see the first post and even that list is sketchy to say the least

 

[tomson75]

It's maddening to see that level of stubbornness.

Exactly.

It's hard to take these conversations seriously when one side or the other refuses to acknowledge fact.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Exactly.



You should see what it's like from the other side. Once you've tried to have a legitimate conversation for the umpteenth time, and continue to get "Those stats are worthless", "I know what my eyes tell me", and "I don't care what other safeties do."

It's maddening to see that level of stubbornness.

Not that you'd know anything about that, tho. You're always very open minded about Roy, and ready and willing to listen to any reasonable defense of his play with perspective to the rest of the league, aren't you?

My whole issue with Roy is that he is being paid to be an elite safety and he is not, yes he does do some things well but they are more than balanced out by his negatives and the negative are things that have nothing to do with his physical abilities I dont see the drive to that elite level player.

 

[superpunk]

My whole issue with Roy is that he is being paid to be an elite safety and he is not, yes he does do some things well but they are more than balanced out by his negatives and the negative are things that have nothing to do with his physical abilities I dont see the drive to that elite level player.

If Roy isn't elite, then there are no elite strong safeties in the NFL.

I cannot take your opinion seriously when you demand game-changing plays, receive them, and summarily dismiss them.

That says that you're just being stubborn, and have no interest in having an open mind about Roy.

Feel free to set me straight.

 

[tomson75]

My whole issue with Roy is that he is being paid to be an elite safety and he is not, yes he does do some things well but they are more than balanced out by his negatives and the negative are things that have nothing to do with his physical abilities I dont see the drive to that elite level player.

The problem here is that you're confusing your opinion with fact. It is your "opinion" that he isn't elite.

I welcome you to provide something tangible (beyond "i've seen it with my own eyes") that says he's not an elite safety. The evidence points in the other direction.

We all acknowledge that he makes mistakes...is tackling technique has left plenty to be desired as of late. He pissed me off twice on sunday. It happens. He also did some good things...probably more than I can bear witness to.

Why can't you acknowledge that he's made some plays? That he's made more plays than the other "elite" safeties?

 

[Hoov]

Please, its just known that RW sucks at coveregae, there is no need to argue.

Plus jj is soft, trade him.

while we're at it remember Henry still sucks, he'll get toasted the minute we face a good QB.

And Crayton cant catch - sign the next vet wr that gets cut.

I wont even get into parcells or zimmer - that should be enough until i return.

 

[zrinkill]

If Roy isn't elite, then there are no elite strong safeties in the NFL.

Truth

 

[This is Our Year]

Ed Reed might be the best Defensive Player in the NFL IMO.:starspin

 

[joseephuss]

Did not see the first post and even that list is sketchy to say the least

What is sketchy about that list? Seriously. An interception in a tight game against Carolina. That is sketchy. A fumble recovery in the same game. An interception against a high powered Colts offense in the red zone. I bet a lot of teams would take those type of sketchy big plays. If Roy had a big play in every game the rest of the year you would probably complain that he did not have two big plays per game.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

I have always loved it when people say Roy should wrap up better. I wish they would consider Tackling Benson while he has a full head of steam, Heading right at you and you may not even be in a good posistion at these times ,for good or bad, you go with your instincs. Yes Text book says Hit , wrap up, keep your legs moving, drive opponent to the ground.

Now try it while shedding a Wideout or a Tight end. My point about the NFL as a whole not Just My Boy Roy(See I freely admit it) is that play is lightning fast at home we get slow mo replay, Minutes to see wher ethe play is going, and a birdseye view of the whole play. NFL players must react with split second timing, Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss. I'll take Roy. Because when he misses he misses but when he hits,he changes Games

 

[zrinkill]

Ed Reed might be the best Defensive Player in the NFL IMO.:starspin

Ed Reed is a great Free safety ..... I wish we had him to put beside Roy who plays Strong safety.

Both are at the top of the league at their positions.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

If Roy isn't elite, then there are no elite strong safeties in the NFL.

I cannot take your opinion seriously when you demand game-changing plays, receive them, and summarily dismiss them.

That says that you're just being stubborn, and have no interest in having an open mind about Roy.

Feel free to set me straight.

Hey i guess we just have to agree to disagree and thats cool, I dont hold Roy to the high esteem you do and think we could get just as much production cheaper and thats my opinion. I am not stubborn just a fan that does not see Roy doing the things he did his first 2 years, but I guess that makes me a hater

 

[JIGGYFLY]

What is sketchy about that list? Seriously. An interception in a tight game against Carolina. That is sketchy. A fumble recovery in the same game. An interception against a high powered Colts offense in the red zone. I bet a lot of teams would take those type of sketchy big plays. If Roy had a big play in every game the rest of the year you would probably complain that he did not have two big plays per game.

Sketchy because 2 of them were plays caused by somebody else or was called back because of penalties but yeah they were game changing.