The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

[JIGGYFLY]

Hey its been enjoyable fellas nothing like a little back and forth even though some found it neccesary to behave like a juvenile. Hey i'm not an expert but I have watched a lot of football and in my opinion Roy is lacking as a Elite player but hey what the hell do i know :laugh2:

 

[tomson75]

Hey i guess we just have to agree to disagree and thats cool, I dont hold Roy to the high esteem you do and think we could get just as much production cheaper and thats my opinion. I am not stubborn just a fan that does not see Roy doing the things he did his first 2 years, but I guess that makes me a hater

You're still missing the point. Roy's rookie year was phenomenal, and would be hard to reproduce for any safety from any era. You think we can "get just as much production for cheaper"? How? When the other elite safeties arent' getting the same production, and its likely that the price has gone up significantly since we resigned Williams? How is this possible? The only thing Williams isn't producing is confidence in his fans...and a strong personality capable of admiting when he ****s up.

 

[joseephuss]

Sketchy because 2 of them were plays caused by somebody else or was called back because of penalties but yeah they were game changing.

But it is still more than you were willing to credit him. Your question made it seem as if Roy has not made a single play in two years. Pull those two plays out and there were still 3 more in that list and that was without going back and doing some research. They just stuck out because they were big plays.

What do you think was Roy's last big play? It will give me a reference as to what you think a big play may be.

 

[tomson75]

Hey its been enjoyable fellas nothing like a little back and forth even though some found it neccesary to behave like a juvenile. Hey i'm not an expert but I have watched a lot of football and in my opinion Roy is lacking as a Elite player but hey what the hell do i know :laugh2:

Obsess much? It was a litttle jab. Get over it.

Your opinion is duly noted...and disregarded.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Roy's rookie year was phenomenal, and would be hard to reproduce for any safety from any era.

i still can't believe he didn't make the Pro Bowl that year or win DROY.. didn't Julius Peppers? I remember Peppers had a great year too, but Roy was just so dominating..

 

[tomson75]

i still can't believe he didn't make the Pro Bowl that year or win DROY.. didn't Julius Peppers? I remember Peppers had a great year too, but Roy was just so dominating..

While William's year was outstanding, Pepper's was just as impressive. IIRC, he had like 12 sacks, 1 INT, 4-5 PD, and a couple of FF. Pretty silly stuff there. I'm not sure people were emphasizing the safety postition nearly as much then as they are now...in no small part to Williams himself. DE's are always a hot second from some type of an award.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I'm really on the middle with Roy......and yes, it is a very lonely place, lol.

I think most "expected"/"dreamed" of Roy coming in with his cape on like Superman (you remember the play) and dominanting the league like no other safety seen cause of the hype that surrounded him. Fully wanted DPOY consideration for him year in, year out. The thoughts back then were why take a safety that high, and the answers were always cause he is that special.

Then came his rookie year where he did meet some of those expectations, blowing up RBs in the back field, slashing through a sea of blockers to make a tackle, and throwing his body around striking fear into WRs.

And we have Roy now, the numbers maybe there, but as an engineer, I can tell you numbers don't tell you anywhere near the whole story. Is he a top safety?? Yes. Is he wearing the cape we thought he would be?? Nope.

Now, some will put this as unreasonable expectations, and in some ways I agree with that. Expecting a DPOY candidate year in, year out, is just too much to put on a guy. The "bashers" see the missed tackles and lack of big game changing hits (after all, if you look through the fog, this is where the difference lies).

Roy doesn't throw his body around with reckless abandon anymore, and has a tendency to go for the leg tackle or body block alot more without doing a form tackle like he used to. I remember when you saw any guy close to Roy, and he was down with an automatic tackle, no questions asked. Heck, I even remember saying this to people, now that can't be said. Instead of making the player go backwards by bringing the hammer, he is going backwards grabbing shoelances or trying some body block without wrapping up a whole lot more than he used to.

I have changed my own expectations for Roy, knowing that he will be solid, but not the Superman that some think he should be and really was in his early days.

 

[tomson75]

^^^^^^ THAT is a well thought out gripe. I can't really argue with much of that. Good stuff.

 

[AdamJT13]

I listed the rookies and young players because I would take them over Roy

And that's why everyone is laughing in your face.

and its not lamont but Tank but hey it fits your argument.

So when you said "L Johnson for the Titans," you meant Tank Williams, who hasn't played a game for the Titans since 2005 and currently is a backup for the Vikings? What a joke.

I would take Harrison in a heartbeat over Roy

That's laughable, too. Harrison is old, injured, suspended for HGH and has made only one or two big plays since 2004.

and I might be mistaken but I think Babineux is starting now since they got rid of both there starters from last year.

Of course you're mistaken. You're always mistaken. Babineaux is a backup behind Deon Grant and Brian Russell. He's been a backup his entire career, except when someone ahead of him got injured.

You keep bringing up INT's and that is not the end all when judging a safety

I can list other big plays. You want "production"? Roy produces as many big plays -- or more -- as any safety in the NFL.

I noticed you left out the AFC

I said he led all NFL safeties in takeaways, and that includes the AFC. He also tied for the NFL lead in interceptions among starting safeties. The only safety who had more interceptions was a mediocre backup/nickel back for the Bengals who had one more interception than Roy. I suppose you'd take him over Roy, too, huh? After all, he is a backup for the Saints now.

I mean he is what the 2nd highest paid safety in the NFL

He's the third-highest paid, and he absolutely deserves to be.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

I kinda have a man-crush on AdamJT13, superpunk and Hostile.

 

[tomson75]

I kinda have a man-crush on AdamJT13, superpunk and Hostile.

Yeah, you kinda have some problems if all three of those guys are coming at you. You're either trolling, or you're just wrong.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

"Expectations"
"Delusions"
"Superman"

I expect him to make a textbook tackle.

I get delusional when I see him hit someone and they run 35 more yards downfield

I dont think he is Superman

 

[JPM]

And that's why everyone is laughing in your face.



So when you said "L Johnson for the Titans," you meant Tank Williams, who hasn't played a game for the Titans since 2005 and currently is a backup for the Vikings? What a joke.



That's laughable, too. Harrison is old, injured, suspended for HGH and has made only one or two big plays since 2004.




Of course you're mistaken. You're always mistaken. Babineaux is a backup behind Deon Grant and Brian Russell. He's been a backup his entire career, except when someone ahead of him got injured.



I can list other big plays. You want "production"? Roy produces as many big plays -- or more -- as any safety in the NFL.



I said he led all NFL safeties in takeaways, and that includes the AFC. He also tied for the NFL lead in interceptions among starting safeties. The only safety who had more interceptions was a mediocre backup/nickel back for the Bengals who had one more interception than Roy. I suppose you'd take him over Roy, too, huh? After all, he is a backup for the Saints now.



He's the third-highest paid, and he absolutely deserves to be.

My God, I felt that all the way over here.

 

[Rampage]

And that's why everyone is laughing in your face.



So when you said "L Johnson for the Titans," you meant Tank Williams, who hasn't played a game for the Titans since 2005 and currently is a backup for the Vikings? What a joke.



That's laughable, too. Harrison is old, injured, suspended for HGH and has made only one or two big plays since 2004.




Of course you're mistaken. You're always mistaken. Babineaux is a backup behind Deon Grant and Brian Russell. He's been a backup his entire career, except when someone ahead of him got injured.



I can list other big plays. You want "production"? Roy produces as many big plays -- or more -- as any safety in the NFL.



I said he led all NFL safeties in takeaways, and that includes the AFC. He also tied for the NFL lead in interceptions among starting safeties. The only safety who had more interceptions was a mediocre backup/nickel back for the Bengals who had one more interception than Roy. I suppose you'd take him over Roy, too, huh? After all, he is a backup for the Saints now.



He's the third-highest paid, and he absolutely deserves to be.

this statement is laughable

 

[JPM]

this statement is laughable

So tell us a play he's made after 2004.

 

[whitey_aw]

You forgot to include sacks in there, however. I only say that because I know Bob Sanders had two of them in week 2.

That being said, Roy has always been a game changing player. It's just that sometimes, it's a big play for the other team. If he can learn to wrap tacklers up (specifically ones that outweigh him by about 40 pounds) he wouldn't get criticized nearly as much.

 

[smarta5150]

You forgot to include sacks in there, however. I only say that because I know Bob Sanders had two of them in week 2.

That being said, Roy has always been a game changing player. It's just that sometimes, it's a big play for the other team. If he can learn to wrap tacklers up (specifically ones that outweigh him by about 40 pounds) he wouldn't get criticized nearly as much.

Besides the Bears game, which is still fresh in everyone's mind, what other noticeable miss tackles has he had?

Missed tackles happen in EVERY game my SEVERAL players...

Why is Roy the target all of a sudden for ONE FRICKIN' play?

 

[superpunk]

Hey its been enjoyable fellas nothing like a little back and forth even though some found it neccesary to behave like a juvenile.

I think you're being a little hard on yourself.

You didn't behave THAT badly.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

"Expectations"
"Delusions"
"Superman"

I expect him to make a textbook tackle.

I get delusional when I see him hit someone and they run 35 more yards downfield

I dont think he is Superman

Superman would wrap up instead of throwing a shoulder.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Ahhh man stop it with the statistics! It's about impact plays and Roy's INT's have come when the games were pretty much over! I will give him credit for finding the ball on that strip by Remi though, Roy just needs to improve each week. Not wrapping up on a tackle and allowing the TE to rumble down the field is just a horrible play.