The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

[Mash]

Sometimes Stats lie....

Roy Williams isnt playing near his potential and still makes bonehead mistakes and miss tackles...JMHO

 

[Bleu Star]

Roy Williams
Tackles: 16
INTs: 2
FR: 1
PDef: 4

wow... He's holding his own very well against his peers. If I cussed him yesterday it was in the heat of the battle and I meant nothing by it. :

 

[zrinkill]

bbgun saying anything about an agenda is just too much .......

The Facts are that you cannot refute any of the stats that he presented .....

And you are just talking out your arse on what the "vast majority of GM's" would do .....

Now start the "everyone is picking on me routine" and lets get Monday started right.

 

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There's stats, and there's our lying eyes. You do realize that the vast, vast majority of NFL GMs would take the other guys on that list (save for Taylor), right? Right. Enjoy the win, but don't try turning Roy into some sort of Sunday night hero--whose good plays were canceled out by the bad. Objectivity is not a dirty word.

LOL, interesting.

Well Roy didn't get embarrased deep, except the body block on the TE where he forgot he had hands and arms. Course it was Sexy Rexy.

If you are a safety with the name recognition of Roy, you should expect to be racked over the coals for mistakes. It is funny though, soon as I clicked on the thread, I knew it was going to be a Roy love thread.

 

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There's stats, and there's our lying eyes. You do realize that the vast, vast majority of NFL GMs would take the other guys on that list (save for Taylor), right? Right. Enjoy the win, but don't try turning Roy into some sort of Sunday night hero--whose good plays were canceled out by the bad. Objectivity is not a dirty word.

I don't get you sometimes.

You're always ready and willing to offer your unique perspective on Dallas Cowboys issues, and then to in turn get offended when people piss on your perspective, or suggest that your perspective is motivated by anything other than your desire for the Cowboys to do well.

But here, in E&R's thread, you've pissed all over his unique perspective and comparative analysis of Roy in line with other safeties in the league, and degraded it as nothing more than homer-swill, while I GUARANTEE you have not watched the safeties he compared Roy with using the same critical eye we've reserved for Roy.

You would think your experiences on the forum, which I currently respect, would keep you from acting in such a manner towards another Cowboys fan who just wants to offer his viewpoint in a cold, clear, stat-based format. I guess empathy has never been your thing.

 

[bbgun]

Sometimes Stats lie....

Roy Williams isnt playing near his potential and still makes bonehead mistakes and miss tackles...JMHO

Apparently, the plentiful bad plays are just supposed to drain down the memory hole. BTW, how many of those tackles are of receivers who caught balls on him? Let's enjoy last night's win but keep everything in perspective.

 

[BouncingCheese]

He is playing OK, but that was a bad attempt at a tackle on desmond clark.

 

[PBJTime]

Only the nonsense.

You always show up in the name of objectivity, but it always comes out extremely negative. Do you mean to be that way? Does someone piss in your Cheerios EVERY day? I'm just asking. I realize you've heard this before and it's your MO, but come on man. Roy is one of the top safeties in the league. Do you ever watch any other teams? There are plenty of teams that would love to have Roy, I'm sure. He makes some mistakes, as does everyone else, but you can't deny the stats. You will probably just label me a sheep...I understand that. But, you seem to be one that follows what the media always says about Roy. I guess if you say things enough, they become true.

 

[TheCount]

I could care less about his stats compared to the rest of the league, his job isn't to live up to the other safeties, he's got to strive to be the best.

Roy has improved every game thus far, and I'll admit that I'm one of the guys that critisizes his cover skills, but it's always been easy to see he's a play maker. The fact that he's off to a good start doesn't mean, however, that he should rest on his laurels, I want to see people scared to challenge him either in the running game or the passing game.

I want him to be dominant, but most of all, I want him to be consistent. You should all expect the same.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Apparently, the plentiful bad plays are just supposed to drain down the memory hole. BTW, how many of those tackles are of receivers who caught balls on him? Let's enjoy last night's win but keep everything in perspective.

I'd be curious by that info as well. Care to look that up for us? 'Preciate.

 

[ddh33]

I so agree with this.

I'm waiting for the tide to turn on Ware. He didn't have any sacks until yesterday and you already had people saying "Where's Ware?"

A couple of weeks ago I think I read where someone coined the phrase of "living in a vacuum" as it applies to Cowboys fans. I think that's the absolute truth.

I guess my biggest complaint is the lack of perspective from so many fans. It really comes across as short-sighted and somewhat ignorant.

Every single player, including the greatest players, make mistakes from time to time. They don't always make the play. They get burned. They make bad decisions.

Elite players make those mistakes and bounce back. They do something else that helps the team. They respond.

In Dallas, fans don't remember those tackles on third down. They don't remember the tough three yards on an inside run. They don't seem to notice the guy stopping the run or doing the other things that are essential for victory. Worst of all, when forced to confront the stats or truth, they convince themselves that the player involved didn't really have anything to do with it.

And obviously, that isn't true of all fans - just some of the loudest ones.

No credit is given for the good plays, but plenty of blame is assigned for the bad plays, and too often, the blame isn't warranted. I'd just like to see a little more perspective.

 

[WoodysGirl]

A couple of weeks ago I think I read where someone coined the phrase of "living in a vacuum" as it applies to Cowboys fans. I think that's the absolute truth.

I guess my biggest complaint is the lack of perspective from so many fans. It really comes across as short-sighted and somewhat ignorant.

Every single player, including the greatest players, make mistakes from time to time. They don't always make the play. They get burned. They make bad decisions.

Elite players make those mistakes and bounce back. They do something else that helps the team. They respond.

In Dallas, fans don't remember those tackles on third down. They don't remember the tough three yards on an inside run. They don't seem to notice the guy stopping the run or doing the other things that are essential for victory. Worst of all, when forced to confront the stats or truth, they convince themselves that the player involved didn't really have anything to do with it.

And obviously, that isn't true of all fans - just some of the loudest ones.

No credit is given for the good plays, but plenty of blame is assigned for the bad plays, and too often, the blame isn't warranted. I'd just like to see a little more perspective.

Lack of perspective is not unique to Cowboy fans. Unforunately this is something that can be applied to all fans. All we know is the team we root for. We may know the names of other players on other teams, especially those who make the highlight reels, but we certainly don't follow their play near as close as we do the team we love the most.

Roy's play is a polarizing thing for most Cowboy fans in this highly media-driven and Internet age. But you could apply the scrutiny he faces to a number of players on this squad...draft picks and free agents. Cowboy fans have been blessed with many great players throughout its existence, but I wonder would they be held up as high in this day and age where every play is scrutinized.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I'd take Bob Sanders anyday over Roy..

 

[Rustinpeace21]

A couple of weeks ago I think I read where someone coined the phrase of "living in a vacuum" as it applies to Cowboys fans. I think that's the absolute truth.

I guess my biggest complaint is the lack of perspective from so many fans. It really comes across as short-sighted and somewhat ignorant.

Every single player, including the greatest players, make mistakes from time to time. They don't always make the play. They get burned. They make bad decisions.

Elite players make those mistakes and bounce back. They do something else that helps the team. They respond.

In Dallas, fans don't remember those tackles on third down. They don't remember the tough three yards on an inside run. They don't seem to notice the guy stopping the run or doing the other things that are essential for victory. Worst of all, when forced to confront the stats or truth, they convince themselves that the player involved didn't really have anything to do with it.

And obviously, that isn't true of all fans - just some of the loudest ones.

No credit is given for the good plays, but plenty of blame is assigned for the bad plays, and too often, the blame isn't warranted. I'd just like to see a little more perspective.

exactly....is charles tillman a bum beacuse owens abused him..no. Freeney has 5 tackles and no sacks this year is he a bum...no. Its crazy how much criticism this board puts on every playyer. Reeves has been very servicable during his time starting, hes not getting lit up everypassing down, hes got some pd's an, int and he hasnt missed any tackles that i can remember. But youd think he was the worst corner in the league when reading the game threads. Passes are going to get completed on cornerbacks, i would think everyone would know that.

 

[TheCount]

I'd take Bob Sanders anyday over Roy..

You may need Sanders AND Roy, since Sander's is bound to spent a quarter of the season on the injury list.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I don't see anything about TD's given up, missed tackles/assignments, or penalties.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Not a bad start for Roy.....wish he would wrap up better though

 

[The Grim Reaper]

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There's stats, and there's our lying eyes. You do realize that the vast, vast majority of NFL GMs would take the other guys on that list (save for Taylor), right? Right. Enjoy the win, but don't try turning Roy into some sort of Sunday night hero--whose good plays were canceled out by the bad. Objectivity is not a dirty word.

My opinion may mean very little since I rarely post.

Does objectivity mean agrees with your opinion? For the life of me I can't remember why you can trumpet your objectivity.

 

[zrinkill]

Does objectivity mean agrees with your opinion? For the life of me I can't remember why you can trumpet your objectivity.

 

[tomson75]

I don't see anything about TD's given up, missed tackles/assignments, or penalties.

Then why don't you go find something about them, rather than suggesting that you know something about it. If you think Roy has given up more TD's, missed more tackles and assignments, and accrued more penalties...prove it. I think you'd find that your backhanded slight (if that's what you're attempting to do here) towards Roy here wouldn't be very well supported by the facts.

These other safeties are making the same mistakes Williams does...some more, some less. Apparently, however, Williams is making more plays the other way to make up for them.

How many of those tackles are on recievers who caught the ball on Williams? Probably a very similar percentage of them that caught the ball on Sanders and Co.

That being said, that attempted tackle last night was one of the worst I've ever seen. I was pissed. He needs to improve.