The Reality About Jerry Jones - He Wins

[jterrell]

WRONG.

Brian broaddus brokedown exactly what happened at the draft in 05. He said parcells wanted merriman, but jerry and stephen had to convince him to draft ware, mostly stephen because of how hard the postons were to work with.

the marcus spears thing is a myth and brian broaddus put that to rest.

Carpenter was a mistake, even though he was He played better under parcells at the end of 06 than he ever has.

and signing ryan young was a good signing. He was cheap and he knew the system with his time with the jets, we had the number 1 offense in the league until week 8 or whatever in 03. Young got injured and the line started to fall apart and so did the offense. There was nothing wrong with that signing and it is odd that you brought it up seeing that the dopes jerry put on that line, I believe solomon page rings a bell.

Yes Romo was luck, never said it wasnt. But it takes some smarts to get lucky and the front office and coaching staff that PARCELLS put together recognized his talent and then developed it. Jerry on the other hand traded draft picks for drew henson and then forced him on parcells and we know how that turned out.

Really, your going to have to do much better than this.

Oh and in the 2000's yes To me TIght end is very much a skill position. And I wonder if it were up to jerry which tight end he would have taken in 03, LJ SMith the athletic tight end with wr type of build and skills or the former defensive end who is big and slow in witten? I will let you determine that for yourself.

wow... talk about reaching....

A few notes....

1st, Jerry stated himself draft day that Spears was the target until they got that 2nd first round pick. Excuse me if I don't totally trust Broadus who was fired and no longer has a job in pro football. But even in your version BP was overruled into getting Ware. So scratch the one Hall of Fame caliber player off your list of skill players.

2nd. No TE is not a skill position. The best two Tight Ends in football in 2008 were Tony Gonzales and Jason Witten. How many playoff games did their teams win? How good are the tight ends for Arizona and Pittsburgh???

3rd. Jason Witten was a 2nd round value on everyone's board when he was drafted in round 3. He was already an excellent value pick. LJ Smith was drafted almost a full round earlier for cripessake.

If BP was so smart he would have drafted Romo in round 6 or 7 and not got lucky that Romo chose us over Denver for less money as a free agent. Which BP guy exactly developed Romo? Oh yea the one from ARKANSAS! The one BP got rid of because he was building a buffer between BP and Romo.

Dude, you have a ton of great posts but this is just sad to see you grasping at straws.

BP did a lot of good here but he was hardly infallible and it is clear the Cowboys have had hits and misses as a group. No one person has been the creator of draft failure or greatness with the exception of that idiot Lacewell and even he pulled Larry Allen out of his no talent finding behind.

As to Young, he had knee issues in Houston and thus was allowed to walk in free agency to us. The Texans had the worst OL in the NFL and they let him leave.... He played OG for us half the season and was basically awful at OT. He was replaced by the superstar tandem of Kurt Vollers and Torrin Tucker. I brought him up because BP had an issue going back to his former guys. That clouded his judgment on players. Young never played another down after leaving us and we gave him a 2 million dollar signing bonus. He ended up making 4mil + for 11 games. Not exactly cheap.

 

[rangers71]

WRONG.

Brian broaddus brokedown exactly what happened at the draft in 05. He said parcells wanted merriman, but jerry and stephen had to convince him to draft ware, mostly stephen because of how hard the postons were to work with.

the marcus spears thing is a myth and brian broaddus put that to rest.

Carpenter was a mistake, even though he was He played better under parcells at the end of 06 than he ever has.

and signing ryan young was a good signing. He was cheap and he knew the system with his time with the jets, we had the number 1 offense in the league until week 8 or whatever in 03. Young got injured and the line started to fall apart and so did the offense. There was nothing wrong with that signing and it is odd that you brought it up seeing that the dopes jerry put on that line, I believe solomon page rings a bell.

Yes Romo was luck, never said it wasnt. But it takes some smarts to get lucky and the front office and coaching staff that PARCELLS put together recognized his talent and then developed it. Jerry on the other hand traded draft picks for drew henson and then forced him on parcells and we know how that turned out.

Really, your going to have to do much better than this.

Oh and in the 2000's yes To me TIght end is very much a skill position. And I wonder if it were up to jerry which tight end he would have taken in 03, LJ SMith the athletic tight end with wr type of build and skills or the former defensive end who is big and slow in witten? I will let you determine that for yourself.

I hate to tell you this but the drafting of Lafleur was Troy Aikman driven. Troy went with them and went through a workout with him and after that pushed the team to draft him. Also don't act like Parcells was a genius for drafting Witten. After all he was rated as a first round talent and he passed him up each round until he basically fell in his lap in the third round.

 

[theebs]

wow... talk about reaching....

A few notes....

1st, Jerry stated himself draft day that Spears was the target until they got that 2nd first round pick. Excuse me if I don't totally trust Broadus who was fired and no longer has a job in pro football. But even in your version BP was overruled into getting Ware. So scratch the one Hall of Fame caliber player off your list of skill players.

2nd. No TE is not a skill position. The best two Tight Ends in football in 2008 were Tony Gonzales and Jason Witten. How many playoff games did their teams win? How good are the tight ends for Arizona and Pittsburgh???

3rd. Jason Witten was a 2nd round value on everyone's board when he was drafted in round 3. He was already an excellent value pick. LJ Smith was drafted almost a full round earlier for cripessake.

If BP was so smart he would have drafted Romo in round 6 or 7 and not got lucky that Romo chose us over Denver for less money as a free agent. Which BP guy exactly developed Romo? Oh yea the one from ARKANSAS! The one BP got rid of because he was building a buffer between BP and Romo.

Dude, you have a ton of great posts but this is just sad to see you grasping at straws.

BP did a lot of good here but he was hardly infallible and it is clear the Cowboys have had hits and misses as a group. No one person has been the creator of draft failure or greatness with the exception of that idiot Lacewell and even he pulled Larry Allen out of his no talent finding behind.

As to Young, he had knee issues in Houston and thus was allowed to walk in free agency to us. The Texans had the worst OL in the NFL and they let him leave.... He played OG for us half the season and was basically awful at OT. He was replaced by the superstar tandem of Kurt Vollers and Torrin Tucker. I brought him up because BP had an issue going back to his former guys. That clouded his judgment on players. Young never played another down after leaving us and we gave him a 2 million dollar signing bonus. He ended up making 4mil + for 11 games. Not exactly cheap.

well we will just disagree them.

If you dont want to believe broaddus that is fine, but ware was drafted because he wasnt represented by the postons. Merriman was. Broaddus explained the whole thing, he explained alot of what goes on in the war room and how jerry would overrule the scouts repeatedly after talking to players college coaches that he knew. He explained how parcells had rodgers as their 1st round pick in 04 until being talked out of it. Which is what a good front office should do.

and when exactly did ryan young play guard for us?

thats fine if I am sad and grasping at straws. We have a difference of opinion. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[5Countem5]

The only thing we know for sure is that Jimmy will not win a Super Bowl without Jerry. Will Jerry win one without Jimmy?

We'll see...

 

[theebs]

I hate to tell you this but the drafting of Lafleur was Troy Aikman driven. Troy went with them and went through a workout with him and after that pushed the team to draft him. Also don't act like Parcells was a genius for drafting Witten. After all he was rated as a first round talent and he passed him up each round until he basically fell in his lap in the third round.

well that is another one of those mystery topics I dont want to get into.

and bag on parcells for drafting witten in the third all you want he still drafted him.

Lots of players slip in the draft, doesnt make the people who draft them later than they were projected as dumb. Especially when you consider all the talent this team has drafted and developed in the later rounds.

 

[silver]

To clear the air and educate everyone, I suggest this article be required reading:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2002/buchsbaum083002.htm

It is from the late great Joel Buchsbaum and it paints exactly what the picture was like in regards to these drafts in question. To me, too many people paint it as an either/or and then the pro-Jones faction thinks it has vindication by pointing at Coach Johnson's performance in Miami as "proof". It completely ignores how fine the operation was to begin with.

The facts speak for themselves. No matter who anyone believes was most responsible for our drafting success before the night that will live in infamy, it clear how Jones proceeded thereafter with the approach to the draft was ignorant and reckless.

great read. man i miss buchsbaum, he was the ultimate draftnik.

 

[jterrell]

well we will just disagree them.

If you dont want to believe broaddus that is fine, but ware was drafted because he wasnt represented by the postons. Merriman was. Broaddus explained the whole thing, he explained alot of what goes on in the war room and how jerry would overrule the scouts repeatedly after talking to players college coaches that he knew. He explained how parcells had rodgers as their 1st round pick in 04 until being talked out of it. Which is what a good front office should do.

and when exactly did ryan young play guard for us?

thats fine if I am sad and grasping at straws. We have a difference of opinion. Nothing more nothing less.

young played guard for us ...






Cowboys | Gurode Sits Out Practice - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:14:15 -0800

Dallas Cowboys ORG Andre Gurode (flu) did not practice Wednesday, Dec. 17. It's not clear how bad it is, but OG Ryan Young would start the Sunday, Dec. 21, game against the New York Giants if Gurode can't play.

Cowboys | Undecided On Starting Right Guard - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:33:57 -0800

Dallas Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells has not decided on whom the team's starting right guard will be for Week 14. The top two candidates are OT Ryan Young and OG Andre Gurode.

Cowboys | Gurode Replaced by Young - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:46:22 -0800

Updating previous reports, Dallas Cowboys OG Andre Gurode was replaced by OT Ryan Young in Sunday's, Dec. 7, game against the Philadelphia Eagles. Gurode, who leads all Cowboys' offensive linemen with seven penalties, will likely serve as Young's backup for the immediate future

 

[Idgit]

well we will just disagree them.

If you dont want to believe broaddus that is fine, but ware was drafted because he wasnt represented by the postons. Merriman was. Broaddus explained the whole thing, he explained alot of what goes on in the war room and how jerry would overrule the scouts repeatedly after talking to players college coaches that he knew. He explained how parcells had rodgers as their 1st round pick in 04 until being talked out of it. Which is what a good front office should do.

and when exactly did ryan young play guard for us?

thats fine if I am sad and grasping at straws. We have a difference of opinion. Nothing more nothing less.

Merriman also played that shell-game with his agents right before the draft. Hiding the fact that you're going to work with the Postons is worse than working with them in the first place.

 

[theebs]

Jtterell.

He was an option at guard because he was injured and basically was playing on one leg and gurode was hurt. He was the right tackle until the injury and he was signed to play right tackle.

your confusing him coming into games as gurodes backup like he was so bad he had to move inside and play guard.

 

[adbutcher]

And yet he has won as much as anyone outside New England where they wouldn't dream of adding a team wrecking WR or having a QB who dates starlets....

 

[Bach]

On Sundays we're still rooting for the same team.

This much is true.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I hate to tell you this but the drafting of Lafleur was Troy Aikman driven. Troy went with them and went through a workout with him and after that pushed the team to draft him. Also don't act like Parcells was a genius for drafting Witten. After all he was rated as a first round talent and he passed him up each round until he basically fell in his lap in the third round.

Is there an article that you can post that supports this? I have heard this rumor many times before, but the articles I have read said that Aikman wanted a skill player, period, which ended up being LaFleur because the other players that Aikman liked were off the board by the time the Cowboys picked. That offseason, Troy also worked out Ike Killiard, Reidel Anthony and Tony Gonzalez, but all three were long gone before the Cowboys could trade up to draft them.

By no means am I saying you are wrong, but I would be thankful if you could provide a link.

 

[jazzcat22]

Actually he has called all the shots since he bought the team. Last time I checked he signed the checks Jimmy cashed and also all those Mike, Emmitt and Troy cashed.

Jimmy won before the players union had a zillion rules and before free agency too. Jerry's checkbook dictated a lot of what we did even under Jimmy. We drafted guys based on their cost. Jimmy was a great coach and motivator but he had advantages no one does today.

Right. And what did Jimmy do in Miami.....nothing....but the Jerry haters seem never to mention that.
Was Jimmy great here, absolutely. And I wouldn't mind having him back as a HC, which we know won't happen, yes.

With all the draft picks they had from the Walker trade, and with the plan B FA, and no salary cap. And with a team full of no talent ed players, they had an open to signed who and how many they wanted. Until they got the right mix.
Can't do that today.

 

[Bach]

With all the draft picks they had from the Walker trade, and with the plan B FA, and no salary cap. And with a team full of no talent ed players, they had an open to signed who and how many they wanted. Until they got the right mix.
Can't do that today.

Some teams are still winning today without a Walker trade, plan B FA and with a cap. Of course the teams that are winning don't have an owner who named himself as GM and don't constantly hire weak HC's and then undermine them and don't perpetuate circus atmospheres in the training complex and locker rooms. Go figure.

 

[Alexander]

Right. And what did Jimmy do in Miami.....nothing....

He drafted Sam Madison, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Patrick Surtain, Daryl Gardner and Kenny Mixon.

Other than that, you are right. Nothing.

It is obvious he did not know offensive talent to save his life, but set Miami up defensively for quite some time.

Jones results with Lacewell showed he knew neither side of the football.

 

[jazzcat22]

He drafted Sam Madison, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Patrick Surtain, Daryl Gardner and Kenny Mixon.

Other than that, you are right. Nothing.

It is obvious he did not know offensive talent to save his life, but set Miami up defensively for quite some time.

Jones results with Lacewell showed he knew neither side of the football.

He still didn't win with those players to get to a SB.
Lacewell was the worst, I will admit that. Jerry stuck with him way too long.

 

[Alexander]

I hate to tell you this but the drafting of Lafleur was Troy Aikman driven. Troy went with them and went through a workout with him and after that pushed the team to draft him.

I am sure there are more, but this took just a couple of seconds.

Perhaps he is just repeating urban legend, but here you are.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2336176

22. Dallas Cowboys
David LaFleur, TE LSU
RB Duce Staley (3rd), South Carolina
Philadelphia Eagles
Troy Aikman hand picked LaFleur. Aikman may be a heck of an announcer, but he stunk as a player personnel man. The Cowboys were using Sherman Williams and a way over-the-hill Herschel Walker to backup Emmitt Smith and while Staley might not be able to stay healthy as a number one back, he'd sure have been a great help to keep the superstar fresh.​

 

[jterrell]

Jtterell.

He was an option at guard because he was injured and basically was playing on one leg and gurode was hurt. He was the right tackle until the injury and he was signed to play right tackle.

your confusing him coming into games as gurodes backup like he was so bad he had to move inside and play guard.

bro his injury was a chronic arthritic knee and was known BEFORE he signed here. he tried to play through it but lost his OT job. he was moved inside as an attempt to get him back on the field but he was just never playing at a high enough level.

go read parcells quotes about him. he said he didnt play well enough to start so was benched.

 

[jterrell]

He drafted Sam Madison, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Patrick Surtain, Daryl Gardner and Kenny Mixon.

Other than that, you are right. Nothing.

It is obvious he did not know offensive talent to save his life, but set Miami up defensively for quite some time.

Jones results with Lacewell showed he knew neither side of the football.

He also drafted Cecil Collins of jailhouse fame and other assorted knuckleheads on offense. He was probably the best overall defensive talent evaluator ever and I have often stated if I bought a team I'd hire him immediately to rank the defensive draft board for me.

But his legacy as a Dolphin is one of the worst playoff losses in Miami history and making Dan Marino and Don Shula hate him. The Phins actually lost his last game 62-7!!!!!!!!!

Like BP here, he never won more than 10 games in four seasons as coach.

 

[Q_the_man]

So is anyone ready to trade Jerry for, Snyder, The Fords, or the owners of the Vikings, Rams, Cards, Bengals, Browns, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers to name a few..... not me!