The Reality of Ray Lewis

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This is football not a revolution. If Ray has so much pride and heart why would he take more money to leave a town that he is a Icon in? It apperently is his choice to walk, so he is letting the cash talk, lead, motivate and unify him.
 

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Ray Lewis with a chip on his shoulder may put us completely over the top defensively.
 

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tunahelper;2654439 said:
This is football not a revolution. If Ray has so much pride and heart why would he take more money to leave a town that he is a Icon in? It apperently is his choice to walk, so he is letting the cash talk, lead, motivate and unify him.

It's his last contract and he wants to get paid as much as possible.

You wouldn't do the same?

He hasn't ruled out going back to the Ravens, he only stated he wouldn't give them a discount.
 

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dbair1967;2654388 said:
Overpaying for a 34yr old ILB on the major downswing is never a smart move.

Major downswing? Not al all.

I agree, he isn't what he was 10 years ago, but the guy can still play at a high level. I think he has 2 good years left in the tank.

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With that said, I just fail to see where bringing him here is going to suddenly offset the major weakness that this coaching staff, and particularly Wade has. The players dont feel accoutnable to the coaching staff and have an open door to Jones, none of that will change by adding Ray Lewis.

Pretty doom and gloom. Should we pack it up now and just forfeit?

You know, people keep focusing on the coach, but if my memory serves me right, we didn't win a playoff game when Parcells was here.

Sooner or later, the players have to step up, execute and WIN games.
 

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We Just Got 4 Mill On The Cap, Ware Take Less And Cut A Few Players, Then We Ar Ethere,,,we Need This Guy, He Is The Real Deal!
 

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I'm in the minority. I don't want Ray Lewis. If he was coming here at a bargain price, sure. But his asking price makes me say no. I would rather start Burnett or Carpenter or even draft someone to start beside James than pay his price.
 

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Hostile;2654586 said:
I'm in the minority. I don't want Ray Lewis. If he was coming here at a bargain price, sure. But his asking price makes me say no. I would rather start Burnett or Carpenter or even draft someone to start beside James than pay his price.

I feel the same way.

I'd rather just re-sign Canty, tell you the truth.
 

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Woods;2654593 said:
I feel the same way.

I'd rather just re-sign Canty, tell you the truth.

I'm not sold on Ray... but I wouldn't be angry if he does come.
But it has nothing to do with Canty...

We need a linebacker Canty is not.
 

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Smith22;2654498 said:
It's his last contract and he wants to get paid as much as possible.

You wouldn't do the same?

He hasn't ruled out going back to the Ravens, he only stated he wouldn't give them a discount.

My point was the moving words about Ray Lewis saving the world from doom as if he is a moral super hero is over the top. I would take the money and so will Ray Lewis. My point is he is no longer a great player. Every team has leaders and it is usually the best players on the team. The question is how do the best players lead? Are they vocal? Do they lead by example? Ray Lewis would not be the best player on the Dallas defense and he wasnt on the Ravens, for this reason and others, I am unimpressed with all the cliche words used around Ray Lewis.

He is declining and he cannot not cover sideline to sideline as he was did. A slower Ray Lewis abused in coverage with Bradie blitzing is not what this defense needs. It NEEDS Burnnett to cover underneathe when the pressure is applied.
 

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Hostile;2654586 said:
I'm in the minority. I don't want Ray Lewis. If he was coming here at a bargain price, sure. But his asking price makes me say no. I would rather start Burnett or Carpenter or even draft someone to start beside James than pay his price.

Ray won't set his market price though.

I know he wants a lot but he may not get it.
 

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Hostile;2654586 said:
I'm in the minority. I don't want Ray Lewis. If he was coming here at a bargain price, sure. But his asking price makes me say no. I would rather start Burnett or Carpenter or even draft someone to start beside James than pay his price.

Agree 100%
 

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I too live in Baltimore. Ray is perfect here and can do no wrong.
For Dallas, I think he is too old and the cap hit would be too high.
BUT, If he could convince the Ravens to trade Haloti Ngata to go to Big D w/him...We don't have a large in charge NT to do what is needed to make Ray dominant.
 

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I guess if you are saying he's a rock in the sense of character, you might be right. But watching tape on him last night on ESPN from the 2008 season, I'm not sure we would be getting what we are paying for in terms of ability. And furthermore, I don't think he's going to want a situational role behind Brady James. I will welcome him as a Cowboys but I am now certain that I am against the idea of signing him.

I would much rather have Jason Phillips from TCU, who could still be available at the Cowboys 2nd pick in the 3rd round. He's young, has great size, and decent speed for an ILB. Right now, rebuidling through the draft is where I see the Cowboys obtaining the most value for their cap space.
 

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jday;2654894 said:
I guess if you are saying he's a rock in the sense of character, you might be right. But watching tape on him last night on ESPN from the 2008 season, I'm not sure we would be getting what we are paying for in terms of ability. And furthermore, I don't think he's going to want a situational role behind Brady James. I will welcome him as a Cowboys but I am now certain that I am against the idea of signing him.

I would much rather have Jason Phillips from TCU, who could still be available at the Cowboys 2nd pick in the 3rd round. He's young, has great size, and decent speed for an ILB. Right now, rebuidling through the draft is where I see the Cowboys obtaining the most value for their cap space.

The pro Lewis people are assuming Bradie gets moved to the other ILB position.
 

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Yeagermeister;2654380 said:
IMO if we sign him he'll be this seasons Zach Thomas. He'll be brought in to provide leadership and it won't work because of lack of leadership above him. Players will tune him out when all they have to do is go to Jerry and complain.

We all saw how this defense elevated it's play with Zach Thomas around, especially Brady James but the difference is that Zach is NON-VOCAL. Zach led by example only and Brady James had the season of his life.

Ray will do both. Ray will not only lead by example but he will get in everybody's face. He just better not get in my face when I'm typing and everything will be fine..

I'd be willing to give him a 2 year deal with a possibility for a 3rd year option. Nothing more. I'll let the cap nerds figure out the $$$$....
 

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CowboyFan74;2654911 said:
We all saw how this defense elevated it's play with Zach Thomas around, especially Brady James but the difference is that Zach is NON-VOCAL. Zach led by example only and Brady James had the season of his life.

Ray will do both. Ray will not only lead by example but he will get in everybody's face. He just better not get in my face when I'm typing and everything will be fine..

I'd be willing to give him a 2 year deal with a possibility for a 3rd year option. Nothing more. I'll let the cap nerds figure out the $$$$....

IMO Zach tried and no one listened just like they will do with Lewis. I don't care how many times he gets in their face it won't make a difference.
 
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Manster54;2654882 said:
I too live in Baltimore. Ray is perfect here and can do no wrong.
For Dallas, I think he is too old and the cap hit would be too high.
BUT, If he could convince the Ravens to trade Haloti Ngata to go to Big D w/him...We don't have a large in charge NT to do what is needed to make Ray dominant.

true. Ray Ray was at his best and won the Superbowl when TOny Siragusa played infront of him. Lewis was somewhat forgotten until Ravens drafted Halati Ngata and became dominant again. We need a behemoth DT.
 
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