The risk of high defensive draft picks

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK, let's say they draft a really good defensive lineman. Typically, he won't be elite for 2-3 years. And he'll need another draft pick or two to go with him. Get that next year, and he'll take another 2-3 years to get there, too.

Now, Romo is gone. So........

And good defensive lines don't stop elite offenses in the NFL anyway. You can quick-throw you're way out of pass rush issues if you have the weapons.

If we were only playing Football in the NFL for another year then then it went the way of the USFL, I might agree with you but we aren't. Good Lord willing and the Crick don't rise, we will be playing Football for a few more years. You can't plan for an organization on just a year or two. It has to be more long term then that.

 

[erod]

If we were only playing Football in the NFL for another year then then it went the way of the USFL, I might agree with you but we aren't. Good Lord willing and the Crick don't rise, we will be playing Football for a few more years. You can't plan for an organization on just a year or two. It has to be more long term then that.

And by the time you've rebuilt this defense in three years, 75 percent of the roster will be gone and the offense will need a rebuild. By the time you rebuild that, the defense will be in need of repair again.

This is a "now" league. If you are fortunate enough to have a good QB, you focus on each and every year. Look at New England, which has won five Super Bowls with completely different rosters, other than Brady.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And by the time you've rebuilt this defense in three years, 75 percent of the roster will be gone and the offense will need a rebuild. By the time you rebuild that, the defense will be in need of repair again.

This is a "now" league. If you are fortunate enough to have a good QB, you focus on each and every year. Look at New England, which has won five Super Bowls with completely different rosters, other than Brady.

75% of this roster will be gone if you don't but the truth is, 75% won't be gone. Some will but others will come in to replace them if the team does their job. However, drafting a RB with the 4th overall pick doesn't help improve your 75% number. Financially, it is going to be very tough to keep Elliott after his first contract IMO and, the shelf life of RBs is very short, in comparison to other positions so taking Elliott only servers to make your 75% claim that much more possible. If you draft another position and you draft well, that 75% thing probably doesn't happen. That's part of why many believe Elliott was not the best use of resources.

 

[erod]

75% of this roster will be gone if you don't but the truth is, 75% won't be gone. Some will but others will come in to replace them if the team does their job. However, drafting a RB with the 4th overall pick doesn't help improve your 75% number. Financially, it is going to be very tough to keep Elliott after his first contract IMO and, the shelf life of RBs is very short, in comparison to other positions so taking Elliott only servers to make your 75% claim that much more possible. If you draft another position and you draft well, that 75% thing probably doesn't happen. That's part of why many believe Elliott was not the best use of resources.

The shelf life of ELITE runners is not short. Not at all.

You've got control of him for 7 years without signing a second contract.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The shelf life of ELITE runners is not short. Not at all.

You've got control of him for 7 years without signing a second contract.

What constitutes an elite runner? Being very, very good for a long period of time? That is what I would say but let me ask you, other then your own personal opinion, what guarantee do you have that Elliott will be that good and what guarantee do you have that he will last that long and what guarantee do you have that he will be resigned?

All of this is supposition on your part. It could all be true but at this point, there is guarantee of that. You can't state it as if it's a certainty.

 

[Risen Star]

This just in. C.J. Mosley is a nobody.

I can't wait to see Anthony Hitchens progress this year! Go Cowboys!

 

[erod]

What constitutes an elite runner? Being very, very good for a long period of time? That is what I would say but let me ask you, other then your own personal opinion, what guarantee do you have that Elliott will be that good and what guarantee do you have that he will last that long and what guarantee do you have that he will be resigned?

All of this is supposition on your part. It could all be true but at this point, there is guarantee of that. You can't state it as if it's a certainty.

Sure, there are no guarantees, but when a guy is that complete, it's about a 95 percent certain. He's not a one-trick pony.

The kid likes to block and he got a 34 on the Wonderlic. That is very promising. He'll understand things in the pro game very quickly.

Tough, quick, compact, built perfectly for the position. Doesn't look like a guy that will struggle staying healthy because of his frame.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well not saying your wrong but Denver doesnt have romo , so that plays into it a little??
They want a QB now not later.

Yep....and I bet you dont hear many Denver fans complaining that he wont help them "win now" or that he wont do much good for a year or two. And if there is ANY team that should be in "win now" mode, it should be Denver.

You have one GM that knows his business in Denver and he is thinking long term success. While in Dallas its short term, make us better immediately. Is it any wonder who has been winning the SB's lately?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well I am not saying they were good picks or good players, I am saying they did draft defense, and get
1 top def FA each off season.
And you guys who wanted a def player, what if they did draft def instead of elliot and it wasnt your guy,
or it is your guy and it doesnt work out so he makes a impact now or later ??

If you look at what they did with hardy and jones last year, I dont think they used them as effectively as they
might have been with other teams/ dc's.
They moved jones all around, so he didnt get good at anything !

The only thing that makes rational sense is the Jerry factor. There is no way he could screw up by taking Zeke. In that light I can accept it. But for a guy that wants another championship its just another short term, quick fix, reach type pick that will keep us from winning it all.

 

[DandyDon52]

The only thing that makes rational sense is the Jerry factor. There is no way he could screw up by taking Zeke. In that light I can accept it. But for a guy that wants another championship its just another short term, quick fix, reach type pick that will keep us from winning it all.

Well for years jerry and his kid have been fixers not builders, and they have always been in win now mode.
the one exception was 2014 which was ironic, for that was their best year.

Even in 2015 after romo and dez got hurt they were still thinking win now, and rushed both players
back too early, or at very least let them come back too soon.

most could see the season was done after we were 2-5 but not the jones boys.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well for years jerry and his kid have been fixers not builders, and they have always been in win now mode.
the one exception was 2014 which was ironic, for that was their best year.

Even in 2015 after romo and dez got hurt they were still thinking win now, and rushed both players
back too early, or at very least let them come back too soon.

most could see the season was done after we were 2-5 but not the jones boys.

Sad, but true. And some of these cats have told me that the salary cap is a myth. Yet reason we let Ware go was for salary cap reasons.

 

[DandyDon52]

Sad, but true. And some of these cats have told me that the salary cap is a myth. Yet reason we let Ware go was for salary cap reasons.

that was good thing for ware, he got a ring, and he would not have got one staying here.
He was a better fit in denver with wade and his defense.

 

[LocimusPrime]

This thread should be The risk of low defensive draft picks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

that was good thing for ware, he got a ring, and he would not have got one staying here.
He was a better fit in denver with wade and his defense.

Another ironic point. Wade left here and won the SB. The only way to win a SB it seems is to get out of Dallas.

 

[DandyDon52]

Another ironic point. Wade left here and won the SB. The only way to win a SB it seems is to get out of Dallas.

Wade
Ware
both 4 letter names starting with Wa and ending with e !

and yeah Like for older players like tony and witten, it could turn out that they should have left.
They have a couple years left to do it here, it is possible.
Adding EE will help their chances.
The main doubts I have now are with the coaches not the players.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Wade
Ware
both 4 letter names starting with Wa and ending with e !

and yeah Like for older players like tony and witten, it could turn out that they should have left.
They have a couple years left to do it here, it is possible.
Adding EE will help their chances.
The main doubts I have now are with the coaches not the players.

So your saying there's a chance?

Coaching and defense. At least we will be more fun to watch. But Im already tired of saying "if Romo stays healthy". With defense being as poor as it is, I dont see us fixing it in time for the Romo window. But of course there is always a chance.

 

[DandyDon52]

So your saying there's a chance?

Coaching and defense. At least we will be more fun to watch. But Im already tired of saying "if Romo stays healthy". With defense being as poor as it is, I dont see us fixing it in time for the Romo window. But of course there is always a chance.

Well I think Romo will make it thru the season, The offense should be better with elliot, and if Dez can
get back in shape.
They have butler and some new WR, and I hope that Darius can be the new kick returner.
ST could be better depending on who winds up on it.

Then defense, they added thornton, which is a key addition, we have been weak in the middle, so if they can
get a push in the middle, that will help with end rush and sacks.
Byron will be a new safety, scandrick back, so overall defense should be better this year.

They have a good group of players, which is why I think it is on the coaches , to use them in right ways,
and game plan better, maybe be bolder and more innovative,
They should make the playoffs, and once there, the coaching plays a big role in how far they go.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well I think Romo will make it thru the season, The offense should be better with elliot, and if Dez can
get back in shape.
They have butler and some new WR, and I hope that Darius can be the new kick returner.
ST could be better depending on who winds up on it.

Then defense, they added thornton, which is a key addition, we have been weak in the middle, so if they can
get a push in the middle, that will help with end rush and sacks.
Byron will be a new safety, scandrick back, so overall defense should be better this year.

They have a good group of players, which is why I think it is on the coaches , to use them in right ways,
and game plan better, maybe be bolder and more innovative,
They should make the playoffs, and once there, the coaching plays a big role in how far they go.

Lots of shoulds in there that is nowhere guaranteed. I dont agree on the defense. Especially with our top two DE's suspended. Our pass rush will be bad all year in my opinion. I also think the run game will be real bad early on and possibly all year.

 

[DandyDon52]

What constitutes an elite runner? Being very, very good for a long period of time? That is what I would say but let me ask you, other then your own personal opinion, what guarantee do you have that Elliott will be that good and what guarantee do you have that he will last that long and what guarantee do you have that he will be resigned?

All of this is supposition on your part. It could all be true but at this point, there is guarantee of that. You can't state it as if it's a certainty.

The same thing is true if they had picked ramsey or another def player.
Hopefully elliot will be as good as some people think, and he should be with our run blocking,
and if so he will have a major impact.
How long will it last? you never know with any player.

 

[Rockport]

No, I'm saying that 95 percent of the time, they don't make an immediate impact. If they ever do.

This team doesn't have 3-4 years to wait. If a guy can be a major contributor immediately, then take him.

Romo, Witten, and Dez have about 3 good years left, if that.

Not many rookies defensive or offensive make an impact.