The risk of high defensive draft picks

[Yakuza Rich]

I think it's optimistic to think that EE is an immediate top-3 RB in this league.

And again, the depreciation value of RB's is poor and the ability to find RB's that produce at a high level in later areas of the draft (or even UDFA's like Rawls) is good.

Wasted pick? No.

But it wasn't a smart pick. And it was made even worse by Jerry not trading down to 6 and getting an extra 4th rounder that could have been used to get Lynch.





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[DenCWBY]

I think it's optimistic to think that EE is an immediate top-3 RB in this league.

And again, the depreciation value of RB's is poor and the ability to find RB's that produce at a high level in later areas of the draft (or even UDFA's like Rawls) is good.

Wasted pick? No.

But it wasn't a smart pick. And it was made even worse by Jerry not trading down to 6 and getting an extra 4th rounder that could have been used to get Lynch.





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[DBOY3141]

You are correct that offense was the priority and I think protecting Romo was tops, so that's why 3 1st rounder went to the OL. I do think that they have given Rod plenty of tops picks to fix the defense. But I think between the players picked. and Rod's scheme, it just has not worked.

Took a look at Carolina, who a lot of folks rave about as being a great defense. Just looking at top 3 rounds.
2010 - none used on defense
2011 - 2 - 3 rounders (one of those was T. McClain, now with Dallas)
2012 - 1st round
2013 - 1st round, 2nd round
2014 - 2nd round
2015 - 1st round

so 3 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders.

Everyone says the top 3 rounds should produce starters.
Dallas - 8 picks on defense
Carolina - 7 picks on defense

Carolina has a great defense, Dallas' sucks. Difference can't be because they have used 1 more pick in the 1st than we have.

 

[erod]

I would trade Zeke and compensation for Aaron Donald. Are you silly? Mack?

Multiple guys on this list I trade for.

That comment was for the 2013 draft.

The point is, most top defensive players drafted produce nothing special at all.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

That comment was for the 2013 draft.

The point is, most top defensive players drafted produce nothing special at all.

The correct phrase is that most players drafted produce nothing special at all.

It's why special players get paid so much money.

What a dumb thread even for you trying to defend Zeke I'm another thread.

Let it go. It was a terrible missallocation of a scarce resource. Let's hope it works in the short run.

Go Cowboys.

 

[erod]

The correct phrase is that most players drafted produce nothing special at all.

It's why special players get paid so much money.

What a dumb thread even for you trying to defend Zeke I'm another thread.

Let it go. It was a terrible missallocation of a scarce resource. Let's hope it works in the short run.

Go Cowboys.

But a multi-dimensional running back will have multi-dimensional impact. That's why it is the PERFECT allocation of resource.

A cornerback is a mere spoke in a wheel.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I somewhat see what the OP is saying in terms of possible instant impact given the position...and the potential effect it could have on the overall team in terms of TOP, 3rd down efficiency, keeping the defense (and opposing offenses) off the field, short-yardage & goal-line production, etc.

And of course there are impact rookies drafted after the top 10. Peters went later in the 1st. As I've mentioned before...neither of the top 2 rookie sack leaders from last years draft were 1st round picks. Preston Smith went in the 2nd & had 8 sacks. Danielle Hunter (whom I wanted the Boys to draft), went in the later 3rd & had 6 sacks.

That said, there are some players I would certainly take off of those lists. Six of my favorites:

- Khalil Mack (rookie year: 76 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble)
- Aaron Donald (rookie year: 48 tackles, 9 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 2 forced fumbles)
- Marcus Peters (rookie year: 60 tackles, 26 passes defensed *wow*, 8 Int's, 1 forced fumble, 2 TD's)
- Ezekiel Ansah (rookie year: 32 tackles, 8 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 2 forced fumbles)
- Anthony Barr (rookie year: 70 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 2 forced fumbles...in 12 games)
- C.J. Mosley (rookie year: 133 tackles, 3 sacks, 8 passes defensed, 2 Int's, 1 forced fumble)

I'd trade this years entire draft,next years entire draft, and slap my grandma in the face for Khalil Mack,Aaron Donald, and Peters. Those three would make a good defense into a great defense.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I'd trade Zeke to Seattle for Rawls and Sherman right now.

 

[JoeKing]

Or...about 8 times in the last 40 years.

You obviously know nothing about the Chefs.

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Who gives a crap about the chiefs?

 

[LocimusPrime]

You are correct that offense was the priority and I think protecting Romo was tops, so that's why 3 1st rounder went to the OL. I do think that they have given Rod plenty of tops picks to fix the defense. But I think between the players picked. and Rod's scheme, it just has not worked.

Took a look at Carolina, who a lot of folks rave about as being a great defense. Just looking at top 3 rounds.
2010 - none used on defense
2011 - 2 - 3 rounders (one of those was T. McClain, now with Dallas)
2012 - 1st round
2013 - 1st round, 2nd round
2014 - 2nd round
2015 - 1st round

so 3 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders.

Everyone says the top 3 rounds should produce starters.
Dallas - 8 picks on defense
Carolina - 7 picks on defense

Carolina has a great defense, Dallas' sucks. Difference can't be because they have used 1 more pick in the 1st than we have.

Another reason is that some of those Carolina picks are high first/ second rounders, Luke kuechley was no 7 I believe. The tackles that they drafted are absolute studs.

They do sign some defensive free agents every year. I believe Julius Peppers was signed in 2010 or 2011 and he's more of a difference maker than any Cowboys defensive signing.

 

[DBOY3141]

Another reason is that some of those Carolina picks are high first/ second rounders, Luke kuechley was no 7 I believe. The tackles that they drafted are absolute studs.

They do sign some defensive free agents every year. I believe Julius Peppers was signed in 2010 or 2011 and he's more of a difference maker than any Cowboys defensive signing.

Peppers?? He left Carolina.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Peppers?? He left Carolina.

Yes he did, but they signed him as a free agent from chicago. They are also signing FAs on defense as well drafting defensive players high

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Yes he did, but they signed him as a free agent from chicago. They are also signing FAs on defense as well drafting defensive players high

Think you're confused. Chicago signed him as a FA from Carolina. Green Bay signed him as a FA from Chicago.

 

[DBOY3141]

Yes he did, but they signed him as a free agent from chicago. They are also signing FAs on defense as well drafting defensive players high

Peppers is in Green Bay.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But a multi-dimensional running back will have multi-dimensional impact. That's why it is the PERFECT allocation of resource.

A cornerback is a mere spoke in a wheel.

I would take a Deion or a Revis or a Haynes or a Woodson any day of the week and not second guess it once. I don't think your "spoke in the wheel" view is accurate, to say nothing of his ability to be a Safety.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Peppers is in Green Bay.

Yes u are correct he caused murrays fumble. But a while back, he played for chicago. Then during 2010/2011 he signed with carolina. Then he went to greenbay. Point is that carolina is not only drafting high ob the d side but also supplements by signing defensive free agents. You argument included the 2010 draft so peppers was used as an example of defensive free agent signings to bolster tge defense

 

[erod]

I'd trade Zeke to Seattle for Rawls and Sherman right now.

Sherman is largely a product of that defense. As was Norman in Carolina.

Just like Dixon Edwards, Larry Brown, Russell Maryland, Robert Jones, Darrin Smith, James Washington, and so many other Cowboys that got paid huge money in the 90s by other teams, then were just average dudes afterward.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I would take a Deion or a Revis or a Haynes or a Woodson any day of the week and not second guess it once. I don't think your "spoke in the wheel" view is accurate, to say nothing of his ability to be a Safety.

Which woodson? Charles, Rod, or Darren. Dang all of them where good. Next time we see a db named woodson we need to draft him

 

[erod]

I would take a Deion or a Revis or a Haynes or a Woodson any day of the week and not second guess it once. I don't think your "spoke in the wheel" view is accurate, to say nothing of his ability to be a Safety.

My point is, there's only so much a corner or safety can do. Defense is about a collection of several of the right parts. It takes a lot of players; that's why it's so hard to build a truly dominant defense.

Who were the "great" defensive players on the Cowboys in the 90s? Haley, Woodson..........? Deion and Lett later. That's it. Tolbert, Hennings, Marion, Brown, Edwards, Smith, Jones, Everett, Casillas.....there was the same talent level on other teams.

It's about the sum of the parts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Which woodson? Charles, Rod, or Darren. Dang all of them where good. Next time we see a db named woodson we need to draft him

I would take any of the Woodson guys and be happy I picked them. However, I was specifically referring to Rod, who was a CB when he broke into the league. IMO, he was the most complete CB of his generation. Deion was the better Cover Corner but Rod Woodson could do it all and do it at a very high level. He was a great player.