The Roy Myth Thread

[AdamJT13]

The short list of some of the false statements actually made about Roy Williams by fans and members of the media (with many more to come, I'm sure) --

1. Roy hasn't been good since his rookie year

2. Roy was only great when he played next to Darren Woodson

3. Roy has never made as many big plays as Darren Woodson

4. Roy has never made a big play in the playoffs

5. Turnovers have been missing from Roy's game the past two years

6. Roy can't tackle

7. Roy leads the league in missed tackles

8. The only way Roy can tackle is to horse-collar

9. Roy has to horse-collar because he always lets his receiver get behind him

10. Roy injured Jamal Lewis with a horse-collar tackle in 2004

11. Roy can't cover

12. Roy is one of the worst coverage safeties in the league

13. Roy is lazy

14. Roy weighed close to 300 pounds this offseason

15. Roy doesn't have the heart to play

16. Roy didn't have any big hits last season

17. Roy said he doesn't hit hard anymore because he found God

18. The Cowboys can't cut Roy this year because of the salary cap

19. No other team would want Roy

20. Roy's cap number is an albatross on the Cowboys' cap

21. Roy is the highest-paid safety in the NFL

22. Roy was taken out whenever there were obvious passing situations last season

23. Roy was taken out whenever the opponent used three or more wide receivers last season

24. Roy was taken out whenever Dallas went to the nickel defense last season

25. Roy was taken out whenever Dallas went to the dime defense last season

26. Roy never played deep safety last season

27. Roy never covered wide receivers last season

28. Opponents completed deep passes against Roy last season

29. Opponents didn't try to throw deep passes against Roy last season

30. Roy was responsible for Santana Moss' two late TDs on Monday night in 2005

31. Jeremy Shockey always has big games against Roy

32. Chris Cooley always has big games against Roy

33. Roy was the player most responsible for Amani Toomer's TD in the playoffs last season

34. Roy was the player most responsible for Clinton Portis' TD run last season

35. Roy was the player most responsible for T.J. Duckett's TD run last season

36. Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, Brian Stewart, Aaron Glenn, Darren Woodson, Ken Hamlin and Greg Ellis all lied just to protect Roy

37. Roy didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl after the 2006 season

38. The only reason Roy went to the Pro Bowl after the 2007 season was because of the fans

39. ...

 

[ZeroClub]

39. Is one of the greatest safeties to have ever played the game; anyone who says different knows nothing.

 

[cowboyed]

AdamJT13, I really respect your statistical prowess, but the defensive torch you are carrying for Roy may be just as disproportionate as the critics blanket stating that Roy Williams "sucks" in all phases of his play.

I can understand your supportive efforts of Roy Williams if only the fans were consistently squawking, but the analysts, opposing players, even our own coaches have increasingly criticized the efforts and effectiveness of Roy Williams.

Wade took Roy out of defensive plays last year and Campo in part was hired to return Roy to earlier productive form. It is evident that Roy who still is in his prime is not performing to the level he is capable and or to the degree befitting a so-called experienced veteran but still young superstar safety. Aren't you supposed to get better at the position in ensuing years rather than get worse?

A player can perform consistently in some phases of the position even to the point it is statistically impressive but that doesn't mean that in critical playing instances that a player can't horrifically give up big plays or needlessly extend drives of the opponent.

Even Roy vis a vis Ellis has acknowledged his ineffectiveness by blaming Wade's scheme as being incompatible, thereby hampering his ability to perform.

 

[superpunk]

Roy wasn't second on the team in tackles last year.

Roy started SARS.

 

[Stash]

AdamJT13, I really respect your statistical prowess, but the defensive torch you are carrying for Roy may be just as disproportionate as the critics blanket stating that Roy Williams "sucks" in all phases of his play.

I can understand your supportive efforts of Roy Williams if only the fans were consistently squawking, but the analysts, opposing players, even our own coaches have increasingly criticized the efforts and effectiveness of Roy Williams.

Wade took Roy out of defensive plays last year and Campo in part was hired to return Roy to earlier productive form. It is evident that Roy who still is in his prime is not performing to the level he is capable and or to the degree befitting a so-called experienced veteran but still young superstar safety. Aren't you supposed to get better at the position in ensuing years rather than get worse?

A player can perform consistently in some phases of the position even to the point it is statistically impressive but that doesn't mean that in critical playing instances that a player can't horrifically give up big plays or needlessly extend drives of the opponent.

Even Roy vis a vis Ellis has acknowledged his ineffectiveness by blaming Wade's scheme as being incompatible, thereby hampering his ability to perform.

Great post.

Saved me some typing.

Everybody else in the world can't be wrong.

 

[skinsscalper]

A list of myths without a list of fact based rebuttals is useless.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

good read.....Roy will start playing up to his potential this year.

 

[TEK2000]

AdamJT13, I really respect your statistical prowess, but the defensive torch you are carrying for Roy may be just as disproportionate as the critics blanket stating that Roy Williams "sucks" in all phases of his play.

I can understand your supportive efforts of Roy Williams if only the fans were consistently squawking, but the analysts, opposing players, even our own coaches have increasingly criticized the efforts and effectiveness of Roy Williams.

Wade took Roy out of defensive plays last year and Campo in part was hired to return Roy to earlier productive form. It is evident that Roy who still is in his prime is not performing to the level he is capable and or to the degree befitting a so-called experienced veteran but still young superstar safety. Aren't you supposed to get better at the position in ensuing years rather than get worse?

A player can perform consistently in some phases of the position even to the point it is statistically impressive but that doesn't mean that in critical playing instances that a player can't horrifically give up big plays or needlessly extend drives of the opponent.

Even Roy vis a vis Ellis has acknowledged his ineffectiveness by blaming Wade's scheme as being incompatible, thereby hampering his ability to perform.

I don't see anyone claiming that Roy is playing great. That is not what should be gathered from the list.

Looks to me like Adam is simply pointing out that there are quite a number of things that people say about Roy that may not be the truth.

 

[STSINAZ]

roy cant cover...when will you realize that?

 

[MrMom]

fact: roy couldn't sniff woody's jock as a player.

 

[Temo]

A list of myths without a list of fact based rebuttals is useless.

Agreed.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

A list of myths without a list of fact based rebuttals is useless.

1. Roy used to hit real hard.
2. Now Roy hardly hits at all.
3. Roy horsecollared TO and broke his ankle.
4. Roy blames others when he gives up big play. (yes some werent his fault.. but EVERY big play? isnt his fault?)

 

[Eskimo]

To me 15 (no heart) is dead on what has been wrong with Roy since about the 3/4 mark of the 2006 season. Something has just been different since then - he is not playing with the same spunk. I don't know if it is injury or personal life issues but he is not playing with the same intensity anymore.

Overall I agree that his 2006 season was pretty good outside of some issues with deep coverage on WRs which he was required to do in the old offense.

I also agree that he is not bad in coverage compared to most SS in the league - he is just average.

The heart just doesn't seem to be there anymore. I worry about it because I believe it can be "contagious".

 

[TheSkaven]

I'm not sure that I understand, Adam, why are these myths?

Roy Williams has been one of my favorite players. I have a big Roy Williams fathead on the wall in my sports room, and I was at the Linc a few years ago when he intercepted that pass from McNabb and took it to the house for the 21-20 win.

But you need to look at reality. He has absolutely not been the same player since his second year. He has been out of position far too many times, and he doesn't wrap up well when he tackles.

The fact is he's overrated, especially by fans here (yes - it's true, the number of fans who support him blindly stuns me).

 

[theogt]

The fact is he's overrated, especially by fans here (yes - it's true, the number of fans who support him blindly stuns me).

Like who?

 

[dogunwo]

This must really bother Adam. I have never seen him actually START a thread outside of team and league numbers type things.

 

[wood28]

But you need to look at reality. He has absolutely not been the same player since his second year. He has been out of position far too many times, and he doesn't wrap up well when he tackles.

The fact is he's overrated, especially by fans here (yes - it's true, the number of fans who support him blindly stuns me).

Roy if you read this ... now youre a rich man, go home and eat pop corn.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually I am glad Adam has shown a flaw. The guy scared me with him not having one for so long.

 

[bbgun]

This must really bother Adam. I have never seen him actually START a thread outside of team and league numbers type things.

Are you kidding? Carrying water for Roy is his raison d'etre. He's a one-man booster club. Like I've said a thousand times, Roy wouldn't have to be torn down if others didn't shamelessly build him up.

 

[dalboy]

39. Is one of the greatest safeties to have ever played the game; anyone who says different knows nothing.

Thank you