The Roy Myth Thread

[tomson75]

One more to add to the list....

Roy can't tackle Cowboyrock's grandmother.

Awesome.

 

[AdamJT13]

One more to add to the list....

Roy can't tackle Cowboyrock's grandmother.

That falls within the bounds of Myth No. 6.


Gil Lebreton's column today did provide two myths I left off the list, though --

44. Roy is always trailing plays

45. Roy is the opposing quarterback's favorite target

 

[Rampage]

That falls within the bounds of Myth No. 6.


Gil Lebreton's column today did provide two myths I left off the list, though --

44. Roy is always trailing plays

45. Roy is the opposing quarterback's favorite target

if someone said "last season the qb's favorite target would be between james, reeves, and roy" would you disagree?

 

[CATCH17]

That falls within the bounds of Myth No. 6.


Gil Lebreton's column today did provide two myths I left off the list, though --

44. Roy is always trailing plays

45. Roy is the opposing quarterback's favorite target

And the biggest Roy Myth of them All

46. 2/3 of the earth is covered by water... The rest is covered by Roy Williams

The brother stopped working it out.

 

[AdamJT13]

if someone said "last season the qb's favorite target would be between james, reeves, and roy" would you disagree?

Of course I would. Reeves was by far their favorite target.

Once again, you fail to understand the entire meaning of this thread. If someone says Roy was the opponents' favorite target, it's not disqualfied from being a myth just because he was their third- or fourth-favorite or whatever.

 

[SuspectCorner]

good read.....Roy will start playing up to his potential this year.

Based on what evidence?

 

[BuckyG]

One big problem with that comparison -- for several years, the statisticians in Philadelphia awarded a "pass defensed" for almost every pass that fell incomplete, no matter what the defensive back did. If the ball sailed 10 feet over the receiver's head and 5 yards out of bounds, the nearest defender got a "pass defensed." Most statisticians award them only for passes knocked down or intercepted. (The same problem crops up occasionally in other games, though.) So whenever you see pass defensed stats for Eagles players for 2003-2006, in particular (and maybe before that), they're likely highly inflated.

For proof, just check the gamelogs for Dawkins in 2005. He played 16 games and had 24 passes defensed. In eight home games, he had 16 passes defensed. In eight away games, he had eight. In 2006, he had 10 PDs in eight home games, compared to four in eight away games. Lito Sheppard's stats are even more revealing -- in 2006, he had 16 PDs in five home games and three PDs in six away games. In 2005, he had nine PDs in four home games and none in six away games. In 2004, he had 11 in seven home games and four in eight away games. (If you're keeping track, that's 36 PDs in 16 home games and seven PDs in 20 away games -- or more than SIX TIMES AS MANY passes defensed per game when he was at home.) It goes on and on. Sheldon Brown's PD ratios show the same thing -- over four seasons, 49 at home and 15 on the road. And Roy Williams himself had eight PDs in three games at Philadelphia in those seasons.

Okay accepting that, when looking across the league at those impact plays, Williams still comes out looking pretty mediocre when compared against his peers last year. Far below guys like Sean Jones, Jermaine Phillips, Deon Grant, and even marginal players like Clinton Hart and Atari Bigsby. And I didn't come close to checking every starter in the league.

I'll grant you that the criticism of Williams has been overblown, but would you concede that Williams did not play well in 2007?

 

[AdamJT13]

Okay accepting that, when looking across the league at those impact plays, Williams still comes out looking pretty mediocre when compared against his peers last year. Far below guys like Sean Jones, Jermaine Phillips, Deon Grant, and even marginal players like Clinton Hart and Atari Bigsby. And I didn't come close to checking every starter in the league.

I'll grant you that the criticism of Williams has been overblown, but would you concede that Williams did not play well in 2007?

I've said many times that he didn't have many big plays last year. But he normally is one of the bigger playmakers among safeties. In 2006, for example, he led all safeties in takeaways. In 2005, he became the first defensive back this decade to have at least three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and three forced fumbles in the same season (not to mention his game-winning touchdown, his fumble recovery, the fact that most of his turnovers came in close games against playoff teams and the fact that five of his six forced turnovers either gave the Cowboys a touchdown, gave the Cowboys the ball inside the opponent's 15-yard line or stopped the opponent inside Dallas' 15). Throughout his career, he has been among the top playmakers at safety, if not the biggest playmaker. They just didn't happen for him last season. But at the same time, he basically eliminated the long passes and long touchdowns that plagued him in 2006, when he did make plays. If he can create the big plays this season like he did in 2006, while again keeping from allowing the big plays, that will be a great season.

 

[LatinMind]

And the myths keep coming ...

41. Roy blames his teammates whenever he gives up a big play

well who is he blaming? hes not taking any of the blame. unless its now the QB's fault for throwing it his way when he's in one on one coverage.

 

[LatinMind]

I've said many times that he didn't have many big plays last year. But he normally is one of the bigger playmakers among safeties. In 2006, for example, he led all safeties in takeaways. In 2005, he became the first defensive back this decade to have at least three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and three forced fumbles in the same season (not to mention his game-winning touchdown, his fumble recovery, the fact that most of his turnovers came in close games against playoff teams and the fact that five of his six forced turnovers either gave the Cowboys a touchdown, gave the Cowboys the ball inside the opponent's 15-yard line or stopped the opponent inside Dallas' 15). Throughout his career, he has been among the top playmakers at safety, if not the biggest playmaker. They just didn't happen for him last season. But at the same time, he basically eliminated the long passes and long touchdowns that plagued him in 2006, when he did make plays. If he can create the big plays this season like he did in 2006, while again keeping from allowing the big plays, that will be a great season.

u can pull stats out of anywhere. but why not pull some stats that show how much he gave up. im sure he has 10X's as any missed tackles, then tackles behind LOS. how come u never share the bad stats? sure u have access to them. even theebs in his latest masterpiece shows a clip of a coach telling roy what he thinks of his game.

 

[Bach]

Roy hasn't played nearly to the level he did the first couple of years in the league, regardless of what some apologist says.

 

[theogt]

Roy hasn't played nearly to the level he did the first couple of years in the league, regardless of what some apologist says.

Well that settles it. Thread over.

 

[TEK2000]

Well that settles it. Thread over.

You beat me to it.

 

[BuckyG]

I've said many times that he didn't have many big plays last year. But he normally is one of the bigger playmakers among safeties. In 2006, for example, he led all safeties in takeaways. In 2005, he became the first defensive back this decade to have at least three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and three forced fumbles in the same season (not to mention his game-winning touchdown, his fumble recovery, the fact that most of his turnovers came in close games against playoff teams and the fact that five of his six forced turnovers either gave the Cowboys a touchdown, gave the Cowboys the ball inside the opponent's 15-yard line or stopped the opponent inside Dallas' 15). Throughout his career, he has been among the top playmakers at safety, if not the biggest playmaker. They just didn't happen for him last season. But at the same time, he basically eliminated the long passes and long touchdowns that plagued him in 2006, when he did make plays. If he can create the big plays this season like he did in 2006, while again keeping from allowing the big plays, that will be a great season.

Fair enough.

 

[JPM]

Well that settles it. Thread over.

You beat me to it.

OK, let's lock this one up !

 

[Bach]

You guys can thank me later.

 

[AdamJT13]

u can pull stats out of anywhere. but why not pull some stats that show how much he gave up.

I've done that many times. And all the critics do is say the stats are wrong or worthless because they show that Roy isn't nearly as bad as they think he is.

im sure he has 10X's as any missed tackles, then tackles behind LOS.

I don't have last year's stats yet, but one missed tackle would be infinitely more than his tackles behind the line of scrimmage, because he didn't have any.

In each of his previous seasons, Roy had four to seven missed tackles each year, according to STATS LLC. He averaged 5.8 per season. Just for comparison, Sean Taylor had 19 missed tackles in one season and averaged 10.7 in his first three seasons (last year was his fourth, and I don't have those stats yet). Troy Polamalu averaged 8.7 in those seasons. Bob Sanders played in only half of the games in those three seasons (24 games, some of them as a backup), and they have him with 14 missed tackles -- or 9.3 per 16 games. All of them AVERAGE more missed tackles than Roy EVER had in his first five seasons (and possibly his sixth).

how come u never share the bad stats?

I do, and people like you don't believe them because they're not nearly as bad as you imagine.

 

[theogt]

In each of his previous seasons, Roy had four to seven missed tackles each year, according to STATS LLC. He averaged 5.8 per season. Just for comparison, Sean Taylor had 19 missed tackles in one season and averaged 10.7 in his first three seasons (last year was his fourth, and I don't have those stats yet). Troy Polamalu averaged 8.7 in those seasons. Bob Sanders played in only half of the games in those three seasons (24 games, some of them as a backup), and they have him with 14 missed tackles -- or 9.3 per 16 games. All of them AVERAGE more missed tackles than Roy EVER had in his first five seasons (and possibly his sixth).

Mmmmm.....facts. Love them. Hug them. Caress them. Facts are good.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I've done that many times. And all the critics do is say the stats are wrong or worthless because they show that Roy isn't nearly as bad as they think he is.



I don't have last year's stats yet, but one missed tackle would be infinitely more than his tackles behind the line of scrimmage, because he didn't have any.

In each of his previous seasons, Roy had four to seven missed tackles each year, according to STATS LLC. He averaged 5.8 per season. Just for comparison, Sean Taylor had 19 missed tackles in one season and averaged 10.7 in his first three seasons (last year was his fourth, and I don't have those stats yet). Troy Polamalu averaged 8.7 in those seasons. Bob Sanders played in only half of the games in those three seasons (24 games, some of them as a backup), and they have him with 14 missed tackles -- or 9.3 per 16 games. All of them AVERAGE more missed tackles than Roy EVER had in his first five seasons (and possibly his sixth).



I do, and people like you don't believe them because they're not nearly as bad as you imagine.

oh noes that doesn't make sense told me RW can't cover I don't believe the stats i will disregard them and the theory that the sun is the center of the universe we all know the universe resolves around the Earth and while we are at it the earth is flat. My friend fall off the Earth the other day he called me from his cellphone to lmk what was happenin

:sarcasm:

 

[BadWolf]

Mmmmm.....facts. Love them. Hug them. Caress them. Facts are good.

Facts give me a headache, so I make them up. Here's one:

Roy Williams caused global warming.