The Roy Myth Thread

[RainMan]

This is such a funny thread.

It's been over two days and not one single myth has been debunked. Wild.

Some of the myths are hardly even myths, though.

I mean, who truly believes Roy Williams has ever weighed 300 pounds, for instance?

Another myth listed is that Roy didn't have "any" big hits last season. Again, you're insane if you were to have ever tried to make such a point that he literally had "no" big hits last season.

Another is that "no" team would want Roy. Of course someone would. Jacques Reeves was given $20 million for crying out loud (different position, granted) and Archuleta was given an undeserved third chance in Chicago. Someone would obviously want him.

It's hard to debunk any of those myths because no thoughtful person would think they were true to begin with.

There's a big difference between those "myths" and the idea that Roy is bigger than he was early in his career, does not make as many big hits as he once did, would not be highly sought after if he were on the open market (meaning a handful of teams pursuing him and being willing to give a major contract), etc.

Now, some of the myths presented provide interesting light on the situation -- such as the notion that Roy's contract is an albatross or that he cannot be released due to the cap hit. Now THAT is a myth Adam has debunked. But some of the other ones I've referenced I wouldn't consider myths to begin with.

It's like creating a TO myth thread and saying "He drops every pass thrown his way." Well of course that's not true. But that doesn't mean he doesn't drop more passes than you'd like.

 

[RainMan]

Call me a cynic, stash. It's just something I've observed, when a player goes from fan favorite to persona non grata to fans, it doesn't matter what he does on the field from that point forward. Guy could have the best season ever and he'll still be dogged out.

I'm just waiting to see who's next after Roy. I'm thinking T-New.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion here WG, but I have to disagree. If Roy were return to making four or five bone-jarring hits, two or three timely interceptions and play with a higher level of fervor next season, I think fans would be jumping for joy.

I don't think he's just inherently become a target of fans' animosity.

Look at the relationship with Greg Ellis. Fans returned to his liking for the most part once he started posting double-digit sack numbers last season even after all those comments he had made before. Only reopening his mouth the day after the season ended brought about all the negative commentary once more.

 

[AdamJT13]

Some of the myths are hardly even myths, though.

I mean, who truly believes Roy Williams has ever weighed 300 pounds, for instance?

Another myth listed is that Roy didn't have "any" big hits last season. Again, you're insane if you were to have ever tried to make such a point that he literally had "no" big hits last season.

Another is that "no" team would want Roy. Of course someone would. Jacques Reeves was given $20 million for crying out loud (different position, granted) and Archuleta was given an undeserved third chance in Chicago. Someone would obviously want him.

It's hard to debunk any of those myths because no thoughtful person would think they were true to begin with.

Except that people have said every one of those things. Need proof?

 

[Bach]

Except that people have said every one of those things. Need proof?

I'd rather hear how he's the same player the last few years as he was his first two.

Now that's a myth.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'd rather hear how he's the same player the last few years as he was his first two.

Now that's a myth.

It's a myth that anyone claimed he was.

Every single one of the myths I've posted in this thread -- has been cited by Roy's critics, including many of them that have been repeated over and over in the media and are believed by many fans because of it.

 

[BigDFan5]

Call me a cynic, stash. It's just something I've observed, when a player goes from fan favorite to persona non grata to fans, it doesn't matter what he does on the field from that point forward. Guy could have the best season ever and he'll still be dogged out.

I'm just waiting to see who's next after Roy. I'm thinking T-New.

:laugh2:

That's not even close to being true.

Bach is right, I mean he personally is the poster boy for letting go of things that happened years ago, and looking at what has happened recently and basing his decisions on that instead of the past

 

[WDN]

Why not share with us your reasons for skepticism?

I watch the games and have a brain that can understand that stats aren't the whole story. He is not the same player he was and I don't think he can turn it around.

 

[Bach]

It's a myth that anyone claimed he was.

Every single one of the myths I've posted in this thread -- has been cited by Roy's critics, including many of them that have been repeated over and over in the media and are believed by many fans because of it.

Then you agree that Roy isn't nearly as good now as he was his first two years in the league? If so, then good, we agree.

 

[Bach]

Bach is right, I mean he personally is the poster boy for letting go of things that happened years ago, and looking at what has happened recently and basing his decisions on that instead of the past

Unlike some, I can talk about the past without projecting it onto the present or future.

I don't see your point, if you even have one.

 

[iceberg]

Unlike some, I can talk about the past without projecting it onto the present or future.

I don't see your point, if you even have one.

mostly you can't talk about jones of today w/o going to the past to say how bad he sucks.

 

[iceberg]

Then you agree that Roy isn't nearly as good now as he was his first two years in the league? If so, then good, we agree.

what about all the myths? care to debunk any of them?

 

[BigDFan5]

Unlike some, I can talk about the past without projecting it onto the present or future.

I don't see your point, if you even have one.

My point is you are obviously a man of your word and would instantly stop the criticism of the person, if the person showed improved performance in future years. You are definitely not the type to ignore any current positives and only focus on past negatives.

 

[iceberg]

My point is you are obviously a man of your word and would instantly stop the criticism of the person, if the person showed improved performance in future years. You are definitely not the type to ignore any current positives and only focus on past negatives.

fyi - if you're not familiar with history please stand back. the sarcasm is dripping pretty hard on this post.

 

[BigDFan5]

fyi - if you're not familiar with history please stand back. the sarcasm is dripping pretty hard on this post.

Oh come on I meant every word

 

[Bach]

mostly you can't talk about jones of today w/o going to the past to say how bad he sucks.

Not true.

 

[Bach]

what about all the myths? care to debunk any of them?

I'm not concerned about any of the irrelevant "myths". The only thing that concerns me about the subject is how Roy has been just a shell of his former self.

 

[RainMan]

Except that people have said every one of those things. Need proof?

I'm sure you can find a village idiot that will say just about anything. But I don't think one or two morons constitutes something being a "myth."

Now, if you can find me a handful of posters that have asserted Roy weighs 300 pounds -- and said so seriously -- I'll gladly stand corrected and admit I underestimate the lack of intelligence of the general public.

 

[gbrittain]

I'm sure you can find a village idiot that will say just about anything. But I don't think one or two morons constitutes something being a "myth."

Now, if you can find me a handful of posters that have asserted Roy weighs 300 pounds -- and said so seriously -- I'll gladly stand corrected and admit I underestimate the lack of intelligence of the general public.

I would imagine one could make a similiar "myth" thread about any high profile Cowboy.

I mean I have read some doosies about Romo...pro and con.

There were idiots still holding onto the notion that Dallas would have been better with Bledsoe still at the helm.

Others had Romo as God incarnate...a bit of an exageration as to the myth, but things easily get oversated on message boards.

So I think you are right, I don't believe to many people had Roy Williams at 300 lbs. So your point is a good one IMO.

 

[Alexander]

Please name one thing I've posted that qualifies as "extremist."

The post that started this thread. As Rainman pointed out, there are more than a few of them in there that were self-serving and ridiculous to anyone rational. Only an extreme viewpoint would generate the need to post them. It's not any different than someone starting an anti-Williams thread with a list of grievances in terms of its extreme nature.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

The post that started this thread. As Rainman pointed out, there are more than a few of them in there that were self-serving and ridiculous to anyone rational. Only an extreme viewpoint would generate the need to post them. It's not any different than someone starting an anti-Williams thread with a list of grievances in terms of its extreme nature.

Sadly, some of the folks that support the OP's rationale for starting this thread are too busy patting him on the back while simultanenously failing to see the complete hypocrisy of this thread.