The Secondary has to fix itself right now

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude your hopeless. Im looking at in Winamp right now. Ware beats his man to the corner and as and as he does --while Ware is getting pushed in the back-- Rattay starts scrambling right to buy time. I dont know if he heard him or what.

BUT THE BOTTOMLINE IS THAT THIS PLAY IS COUNTER TO ALL THE TRIPE YOUVE BEEN SPEWING.

We had pressure on him he was forced to scramble and it was a safety getting beat by two steps that was the weak link not the pass rush. That was pressure not him standing in the pocket for an hour.

And what proof of anything have you given? Are you like a five year old who thinks that if he keeps repeating something that it will be true?

Show one shred of evidence that Parcells would replace Zimmer if he could or anything beyong your opinion that our pass rush is subpar.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Dude your hopeless. Im looking at in Winamp right now. Ware beats his man to the corner and as and as he does --while Ware is getting pushed in the back-- Rattay starts scrambling right to buy time. I dont know if he heard him or what.

BUT THE BOTTOMLINE IS THAT THIS PLAY IS COUNTER TO ALL THE TRIPE YOUVE BEEN SPEWING.

We had pressure on him he was forced to scramble and it was a safety getting beat by two steps that was the weak link not the pass rush. That was pressure not him standing in the pocket for an hour.

And what proof of anything have you given? Are you like a five year old who thinks that if he keeps repeating something that it will be true?

Show one shred of evidence that Parcells would replace Zimmer if he could or anything beyong your opinion that our pass rush is subpar.

Well as you say that evidence is very hard to come up with. That could be a reach.

 

[AceofSpades]

Dude your hopeless. Im looking at in Winamp right now. Ware beats his man to the corner and as and as he does --while Ware is getting pushed in the back-- Rattay starts scrambling right to buy time. I dont know if he heard him or what.

BUT THE BOTTOMLINE IS THAT THIS PLAY IS COUNTER TO ALL THE TRIPE YOUVE BEEN SPEWING.

We had pressure on him he was forced to scramble and it was a safety getting beat by two steps that was the weak link not the pass rush. That was pressure not him standing in the pocket for an hour.

How does that play counter his argument. Rattay never saw Ware, he was only able to go right because there was no rush from that side and the DE ended up on his back. The coverage broke down because Rattay had so much time(5+ sec. from what timed). Thats Rack's whole point.

I don't really have much of a problem with the way are DLine pressures the quarterback. I think more of that is talent than it is coaching or atleast I hope so.

The 2 things Zimmer absolutely is responsible for and the reason I believe we should get rid of him are...

1. Our Defense is way too predictable. Look at the Patriots, you never know what they're gonna do. If I can sit at home and know exactly what kind of defense Zimmer's gonna call in certain situations then OC's certainly know and are definitely going to exploit it as we've seen.

2. We show our blitz way too early!!! I don't think I've ever seen us try and disguise our blitz. 10 seconds before the ball is hiked we've already shown the Offense where our blitz is coming from and given them time to audible. When we play the Eagles, watch how long they wait and how they move around before they show blitz. We never do that, Why?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How does that play counter his argument. Rattay never saw Ware, he was only able to go right because there was no rush from that side and the DE ended up on his back. The coverage broke down because Rattay had so much time(5+ sec. from what timed). Thats Rack's whole point.

I don't really have much of a problem with the way are DLine pressures the quarterback. I think more of that is talent than it is coaching or atleast I hope so.

The 2 things Zimmer absolutely is responsible for and the reason I believe we should get rid of him are...

1. Our Defense is way too predictable. Look at the Patriots, you never know what they're gonna do. If I can sit at home and know exactly what kind of defense Zimmer's gonna call in certain situations then OC's certainly know and are definitely going to exploit it as we've seen.

2. We show our blitz way too early!!! I don't think I've ever seen us try and disguise our blitz. 10 seconds before the ball is hiked we've already shown the Offense where our blitz is coming from and given them time to audible. When we play the Eagles, watch how long they wait and how they move around before they show blitz. We never do that, Why?

First of all Rattay did see the pressure coming. Look at the replay. From the Fox telecast there is a replay from an angle looking directly behind the DT's. The ball is snapped and Ferguson to begin bullrushe and is pushed to his right which is Rattay's left. While this is going on Rattay is making a read in the middle of the field. Ferguson gets a bit of a push and Rattay looks to his left. Immediately after he looks left he starts to run the opposite direction. He was sprinting directly away from Ware.

Either way we got pressure on him and forced him to make a play on his feet. He did. Davis was still beat badly. Ware had flushed him out of the pocket after three seconds.

Are you going to attempt to claim that we had no pressure on Rattay that play? Cause that is what Rack's stance is that we dont get pressure on the QB.

 

[whcarm]

trying to blame our secondary problems on our pass rush just doesn't make any sense.

Right now we have 9 sacks as a team. That ranks us 8th in the NFL.

Yet, we rank 24th in passing yards allowed per game.
and 30th in TD passes allowed for the season.

And look at the teams that are leading the leagues in sacks (Pitt, Indy, SF and Ten). All of them are ranked below 17th in the league in passing yards allowed per game.

Thus, just getting a ton of sacks doesn't mean that our secondary will immediately improve. We are getting enough sacks and we seem to be getting more QB pressures than sacks.

We are on pace right now to end up with 48 sacks. That would have tied for the league lead last year in sacks. And it would be 15 more sacks than we got last year.

QB pressure and sacks do help. However, they don't solve the problem. Right now we are giving up way too many big plays against mediocre receivers. Once we have to start facing pro bowlers it could get ugly.

Parcells said that Henry was worn out this past week because he had been working so hard in practice. Fine, but what is the excuse the last two weeks for Glenn, Williams and Davis?

Right now they just aren't playing smart football. They aren't communicating well. They are getting out of position. These problems need to be solved and quickly. Because if not, then the next several weeks will be brutal.

 

[Rack]

trying to blame our secondary problems on our pass rush just doesn't make any sense

Right, cuz the pass rush has nothing to do with pass defense, right?

Right now we have 9 sacks as a team. That ranks us 8th in the NFL.

*sigh*

I'm not gonna explain this AGAIN in the same freakin' thread. If you haven't read the whole thread then you aren't worth replying to.

Thus, just getting a ton of sacks doesn't mean that our secondary will immediately improve

Again, read the whole thread. This time try and understand what you're reading. I don't think I should have to repeat myself in the same f'in thread.

 

[Rack]

How does that play counter his argument. Rattay never saw Ware, he was only able to go right because there was no rush from that side and the DE ended up on his back. The coverage broke down because Rattay had so much time(5+ sec. from what timed). Thats Rack's whole point.

Exactly. That ignorameous (sp?) is looking at a rat and calling it an elephant. Ware went WAY too wide on his rush on that play, we got NO push up the middle, and nothing from the QB's right side, which is the side you DON'T want to allow a right handed QB to run.

 

[scottsp]

trying to blame our secondary problems on our pass rush just doesn't make any sense.

Right now we have 9 sacks as a team. That ranks us 8th in the NFL.

Yet, we rank 24th in passing yards allowed per game.
and 30th in TD passes allowed for the season.

And look at the teams that are leading the leagues in sacks (Pitt, Indy, SF and Ten). All of them are ranked below 17th in the league in passing yards allowed per game.

Thus, just getting a ton of sacks doesn't mean that our secondary will immediately improve. We are getting enough sacks and we seem to be getting more QB pressures than sacks.

We are on pace right now to end up with 48 sacks. That would have tied for the league lead last year in sacks. And it would be 15 more sacks than we got last year.

QB pressure and sacks do help. However, they don't solve the problem. Right now we are giving up way too many big plays against mediocre receivers. Once we have to start facing pro bowlers it could get ugly.

Parcells said that Henry was worn out this past week because he had been working so hard in practice. Fine, but what is the excuse the last two weeks for Glenn, Williams and Davis?

Right now they just aren't playing smart football. They aren't communicating well. They are getting out of position. These problems need to be solved and quickly. Because if not, then the next several weeks will be brutal.

Agreed. The mental breakdowns in the secondary, particularly at safety, must be remedied. The pass pressure has not been as anemic as some would have you believe.

The Bengals are getting stops and forcing turnovers. They have two QB sacks on the season, I believe.

As I recall, Willie Pile was not substituted into the game for Keith Davis because the pass rush didn't make a play on the TD pass to Lloyd. If only that was the only assignment blown back there the last couple of weeks.

And what looms does not look good at all for us.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Exactly. That ignorameous (sp?) is looking at a rat and calling it an elephant. Ware went WAY too wide on his rush on that play, we got NO push up the middle, and nothing from the QB's right side, which is the side you DON'T want to allow a right handed QB to run.

Actually Ferguson did get a bit of push up the middle. Rattay looked to step up saw him and dashed right. It was Spears at LDE that lost containment.

Are you going to try and say that Ware got no pressure on Rattay on that play?

Fact is on that play Ware flushed Rattay out of the pocket within 3 seconds. Rattay was able to make a play with his feet. Scrambling QBs do that its how you can counter a pass rush. Doesnt mean that the pass rush isnt there. Bledsoe gets sacked on that play.

Still doesnt mean that Davis didnt get beat by at least two steps.

BTW, its ignoramus and before you start throwing out $5 words that you cant even spell you should at least remember what your point is.

Out of 5 pass plays on there first drive we forced a scramble, a hurry and a sack. That was the first drive.

So far we have a breakdown of the first series and statistics versus your opinion. And really your opinion over time has demonstrated as having very little substance or quality demonstrated by you resorting to ad hominems and poor analogies.

But please do tell us more about attack mode.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The following TD was thrown 3 seconds after the snap and Keith Davis bit on a crossing route from the opposite side of the field.

But yeah that was the pass rush's fault

 

[nathanlt]

The defensive line is young, at least the backups. Wait until they get comfortable, and can get closer to achieving their potential. The pass rush will get light years ahead. They ARE getting some reps.

The team that COULD lose to the Raiders on Sunday will be a MUCH better team at the end of the year!

With a pass rush that improves all year, the pass coverage will get better all year with it.