CFZ The Solution Is Simple

[Diehardblues]

The first step in this process is having Booger accept the fact he cannot play call his QB into a 160M QB. He is not Mahomes, Burrow, Allen or Herbert.

Prescott did not get Miss St to a #1 ranking by himself, he had a very good team and a great defense. He was a 4th rounder for a reason and has played well beyond that status but he is not the type QB that is going to carry a team. There are damned few that can, including Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning. They all need teams around them.

Yep and this is probably why Moore was retained initially to try and make Dak a prolific passer to justify his 160 million contract.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I disagree about Dak was never a blue chip passer. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Kellen Moore absolutely helped turn Dak into a prolific passer. You don't throw for 4,449 yards, a franchise single season high 37 TDs and a 104.2 passer rating (2021), 4,902 yards, 30 TDs and a 99.7 passer rating (2019) and were on pace to throw for 6k yards and shatter the single season NFL passing record before suffering a season ending injury early in 2020 by not being a prolific passer! Refusing to acknowledge that is just downright being mean and disrespectful.


These statistical facts above pretty much destroy this thread's premise of Dak not being a good prolific passer.

This isn't the actual premise of the OP. All the gaudy stats Dak put up did not result in great playoff success or any championship. That style of gameplay clearly isn't working in the post-season. When Dak plays within the confines of a more, well-rounded offense, he is a more efficient QB and the team wins more.

It is not much different then what happened to Wilt Chamberlain, one of the greatest to ever play in the NBA. All the gaudy stats and scoring did not result in any championships in his early years. When he got to Philly, his coach convinced him to turn to a more integrated team style of play. Instead of being the offensive juggernaut, he became the hub of the offense and anchor of the defense. That Sixers team took down the Celtics dynasty and was voted the greatest team of the first 35 years of the NBA. When Wilt was traded to the Lakers, he went away from that style and didn't win another chip until he once again became the hub and interion defensive beast he always could be. If Wilt played that way for his career, he probably has 6-7 rings and is the GOAT, not Jordan or LeBron. (Luka, pay attention).

Before anyone bashes me, I am not saying in any way that Dak is as good at football as Wilt was in basketball. But even an all-time great such as Wilt had to make adjustments in the game to win his rings. What the OP has shown is the two versions of Dak: Mr. "Rack up the stats" Dak and the more efficient, winning Dak. Sadly, neither version has even gotten to the NFCCG, but the more efficient Dak, the Dak that has the running game to lean on, has the better chance IMO.

 

[Montanalo]

The entire NFL knows that the secret to beating the Cowboys is to STOP the running game and let Dak beat you.
It has happened again and again and will repeat and rinse again this coming season.
When you have a one-dimensional offense that either runs or dies well you have all seen the results esp vs the Niners.
Until we have a new QB that defenses fear our team is going nowhere!

And, therein is the secret. Maybe this is what MM meant when he discussed an emphasis on the run game... not necessarily running more, but running more efficiently.

 

[ghst187]

Yep Dak isn’t half the passer Romo was but even Romo needed a good running game to get anywhere and we were clearly better when he passed LESS. Even more so for Dak.
Hence why I would love to see us make a splash trade for Henry whom I read might be available.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yes but did producing a more prolific passing game make our offense more effective instead of pounding the rock ? Which I believe is the point of this thread .

Failure to pound the rock consistently or at will falls on the Oline and Oline coach who failed to improve it, hence why Philbin was fired several months ago. Blaming this offense's lack of better execution on Dak is crazy.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This isn't the actual premise of the OP. All the gaudy stats Dak put up did not result in great playoff success or any championship. That style of gameplay clearly isn't working in the post-season. When Dak plays within the confines of a more, well-rounded offense, he is a more efficient QB and the team wins more.

It is not much different then what happened to Wilt Chamberlain, one of the greatest to ever play in the NBA. All the gaudy stats and scoring did not result in any championships in his early years. When he got to Philly, his coach convinced him to turn to a more integrated team style of play. Instead of being the offensive juggernaut, he became the hub of the offense and anchor of the defense. That Sixers team took down the Celtics dynasty and was voted the greatest team of the first 35 years of the NBA. When Wilt was traded to the Lakers, he went away from that style and didn't win another chip until he once again became the hub and interion defensive beast he always could be. If Wilt played that way for his career, he probably has 6-7 rings and is the GOAT, not Jordan or LeBron. (Luka, pay attention).

Before anyone bashes me, I am not saying in any way that Dak is as good at football as Wilt was in basketball. But even an all-time great such as Wilt had to make adjustments in the game to win his rings. What the OP has shown is the two versions of Dak: Mr. "Rack up the stats" Dak and the more efficient, winning Dak. Sadly, neither version has even gotten to the NFCCG, but the more efficient Dak, the Dak that has the running game to lean on, has the better chance IMO.

I totally disagree. The problem is not Dak. It's the Oline. I'm truly astonished at how so many don't see that?

 

[Diehardblues]

Failure to pound the rock consistently or at will falls on the Oline and Oline coach who failed to improve it, hence why Philbin was fired several months ago. Blaming this offense's lack of better execution on Dak is crazy.

No doubt the blame falls on those who were attempting to make Dak a more prolific passer to justify his contract.

I agree it’s not Daks fault for our OL and RB woes. If we don’t surround him with more we shouldn’t expect better results .

I believe Prescott is enough if he isn’t expected to carry this team solely thru the air which was point in this thread.

 

[mcmvp]

Even when he does through 28 or fewer passes, he is still not the” best QB in the league”. That statement assumes that the situation is entirely equal for all other quarterbacks in that same situation.

I would assume that when he has thrown 28 or fewer passes, the Cowboys had a very strong running game, and their defensive opponents went into each game, knowing that was the key to stop them. I’m pretty sure the defenses don’t go into a game against Kansas City worrying about the run game. So while he may have the best stats in that sample size, all things are certainly not equal

 

[America's Cowboy]

No doubt the blame falls on those who were attempting to make Dak a more prolific passer to justify his contract.

I agree it’s not Daks fault for our OL and RB woes. If we don’t surround him with more we shouldn’t expect better results .

I believe Prescott is enough if he isn’t expected to carry this team solely thru the air which was point in this thread.

I still disagree because Dak has shown he can carry this team at times when needed. He's not going to do it everything, but there has been many times when needed he has come through. Overall, it is best to have your Oline playing much better AT ALL TIMES. It all starts up front with the Oline. That's where the premise of this thread fails.

 

[Diehardblues]

And, therein is the secret. Maybe this is what MM meant when he discussed an emphasis on the run game... not necessarily running more, but running more efficiently.

Yea, initially he said he wanted to run more. But all of the moves we have been making along with this new offense would suggest we aren’t ? It’s been somewhat conflicting .

 

[Diehardblues]

I still disagree because Dak has shown he can carry this team at times when needed. He's not going to do it everything, but there has been many times when needed he has come through. Overall, it is best to have your Oline playing much better AT ALL TIMES. It all starts up front with the Oline.

He hasn’t been able to carry it further than a divisional round playoff game is the bigger point. Yes, he’s enough to carry us to the playoffs .

But again he needs more support with OL and running game who is the bigger point in this thread .

You can’t get by any criticism of Dak even when most of the point supports he’s enough given the right circumstances .

 

[America's Cowboy]

He hasn’t been able to carry it further than a divisional round playoff game is the bigger point. Yes, he’s enough to carry us to the playoffs .

But again he needs more support with OL and running game who is the bigger point in this thread .

You can’t get by any criticism of Dak even when most of the point supports he’s enough given the right circumstances .

Once again, this thread gets it wrong. Dak is not the problem. The Oline is.

 

[Doomsday77]

When Dak throws 28 or fewer passes in a game he is the best QB in the league.

Under these circumstances the Cowboys are 27-1, a winning percentage of 96.4%. Roethlisberger comes in 2nd at 93.3% and Mahomes 3rd with 91.3%.

Dak completed over 72% of his passes with a 5 to 1 TD/INT ratio for a passer rating of 115.4. In these 28 games he had thrown 47 TD's and 9 INT's.

Of course, this implies a productive running game that forces defenses to respect that element of the offense.

It is also means that the defense can take advantage of their offenses long drives to be rested enough to give maximum effort each play The combination of less clock time combined with a tenacious defense will frustrates opponent offenses. Due to less opportunity, this creates pressure for the opponent by increasing the urgency to score, particularly in the 2nd half.

Dak was never a naturally gifted strong arm blue chip passer and it is ridiculous to compare him to those types of QB's. Dak has a different set of skills that emphasizes leadership, consistency and ball protection. The greatest flaw in Kellen Moore's offensive philosophy was trying to force Dak into being something he never was.

Dak was never a 1st round top 5 pick but he was perfect for the type of offense that the Cowboys used in his rookie season.

This philosophy is nothing new. Most recent teams that have won multiple Super Bowls used the same concept. The Ravens, Steelers, and Patriot teams early in Brady's career was based on the same concept, dominant running and opportunistic passing. In Brady's first four seasons as the starter the Patriots won 3 Super Bowls. In half of the regular season games, Brady threw 30 or less passes.

This is the secret to the success of QB's like Russel Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Andy Dalton. The only QB's that were highly successful throwing the ball more than 30 times a game were guys like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Mahomes. Again, these are the guys with the elite arms.

It is true that there were circumstances in which the Cowboys were forced to throw more often, like being down late in the game by a large margin. However, quite often, the Cowboys passed far more often than necessary. There were only 33 games in which the Cowboys were down by 10 or more points at halftime. However, they passed for more than 28 attempts in 59 games.
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I would say that those circumstances will be rare this upcoming season due to the defense and it's ability to keep the score lower.

The only issue I see was the Cowboys were not aggressive enough in acquiring superior talent at the RB position. With 17 games in the regular season it was critical to obtain real talent at the RB position. The "warm body" approach will fail. I was disappointed when the Cowboys didn't draft another RB in day #1 or day #2. This should have been the #1 priority because you then have a 1-2 punch with legitimate talent. Don't get me wrong, I still would have taken Vaughn in the 6th but the Cowboys should have dedicated more resources to prevent their season from being destroyed by an injury at that position.

In order for the Cowboys to be successful and go to the Super Bowl, they must restrict the number of passes each game. The defense must be consistent and , most importantly, the Cowboys must discover another effective RB within their ranks. One of these young guys must have a dominant preseason.

So to take this one step further down the line, to your point our O-line needs to stay healthy enough to run block which should then lead to game/clock control. The O-line will dictate how the offense goes.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The entire NFL knows that the secret to beating the Cowboys is to STOP the running game and let Dak beat you.
It has happened again and again and will repeat and rinse again this coming season.
When you have a one-dimensional offense that either runs or dies well you have all seen the results esp vs the Niners.
Until we have a new QB that defenses fear our team is going nowhere!

who you got for QB? else shut the heck up. dude, get over Romo, he ain't unretiring and coming back and he was worse than Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The first step in this process is having Booger accept the fact he cannot play call his QB into a 160M QB. He is not Mahomes, Burrow, Allen or Herbert.

Prescott did not get Miss St to a #1 ranking by himself, he had a very good team and a great defense. He was a 4th rounder for a reason and has played well beyond that status but he is not the type QB that is going to carry a team. There are damned few that can, including Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning. They all need teams around them.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The first step in this process is having Booger accept the fact he cannot play call his QB into a 160M QB. He is not Mahomes, Burrow, Allen or Herbert.

Prescott did not get Miss St to a #1 ranking by himself, he had a very good team and a great defense. He was a 4th rounder for a reason and has played well beyond that status but he is not the type QB that is going to carry a team. There are damned few that can, including Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning. They all need teams around them.

top 14 QBs have average of 120M and above in salary. just a heads up, this is not year 2000 any longer. its 2023.

 

[America's Cowboy]

who you got for QB? else shut the heck up. dude, get over Romo, he ain't unretiring and coming back and he was worse than Dak.

 

[Diehardblues]

Once again, this thread gets it wrong. Dak is not the problem. The Oline is.

This thread from OP is NOT saying Dak is the problem. It’s laying out how to have more success with him.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This thread from OP is NOT saying Dak is the problem.

Yes, it is.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, it is.

This is a recipe for having more success with Dak, not blaming him.
Quote from OP:
When Dak throws 28 or fewer passes in a game he is the best QB in the league.

Under these circumstances the Cowboys are 27-1, a winning percentage of 96.4%. Roethlisberger comes in 2nd at 93.3% and Mahomes 3rd with 91.3%.

Dak completed over 72% of his passes with a 5 to 1 TD/INT ratio for a passer rating of 115.4. In these 28 games he had thrown 47 TD's and 9 INT's.