The Texas Coast Offense (West Coast + Air Coryell)

[conner01]

This tells me that nothing has changed. They just repackaged and rebranded the same garbage.

And yet that garbage has been at the top of the league in scoring year after year

 

[CCBoy]

Dallas isn’t on the Gulf Coast.

They should call it the Bachman Lake Offense.

There already is a Red River Shootout, even with a Conference change.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Don’t need to. The fact that they are naming it and calling it some amalgamation is proof enough that they spent more time over the name that actually improving the offense or changing it.

so you make a definite comment about a video without watching it, based on your assumptions...awsome

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

And yet that garbage has been at the top of the league in scoring year after year

And the garbage couldn’t even break 18 points when it mattered.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The run scheme will likely change with Schottenheimer. But every passing scheme in the league relies on the same dozen or so concepts.

Sometimes you get an OC like Jason Garrett who almost seems willfully stupid, or a Joe Lombardi who is too stubborn to adapt his dead-armed Drew Brees offense for a rocket-armed Justin Herbert. But on the whole, most coaches have the same passing plays in their book. I would not expect a lot of changes there.

exactly. there is no pure this or that any longer. there is elements of west coast, timing, run and shoot in all offenses. the better OCs use better route combinations and plays to figure out defensive formations and subsequently use it against them. unlike Garrett/Moore who insisted on using their schemes as is and force it to execute or else fail. no wonder Tampa defense said, we knew the offensive plays.
watching McVay at work vs. Moore is quite enlighting. Moore had some talent to work with and he was quite green and amateurish. never wanted him as our OC. since day 1.

I wonder if running scheme will include some or more of zone blocking allowing Pollard to use his speed to pick a hole to hit, as opposed to the gap scheme we ran in previous years. it was highly effective in SF, Denver in the past.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Play action paired with deep passing efficiency. Schottenheimer is creative and has learned what his weaknesses were.

To open things up, success deep...20 yards is an element that will force defenses to cover the entire field.

For those still paying attention...

The run will be supported by play action passes. When linebackers have to read pass/run they consistently leave shorter pass routes fully open. This in turn opens the lanes for speedy backs with elusive maneuver ability like the runners they now have. Schottenheimer once became too conservative in calling his own plays. McCarthy is the play caller now, and has plenty of experience in both Coryell and West Coast styles.

As to reads by Prescott, he is still a strong quarterback. He does compare favorably to quite a few current and past quarterbacks.

Dak will be assisted by shorter thrown passes and able to make many more passes in the window of 2.5 seconds. The presence of Cooks makes both concepts doable as well as realistic to push possessions down the field.

After watching the film, a smart thing...I'm interested in a close to around a 5,000 passing year for Dak.

if you can run successfully, specially on first downs, then you put the defense on it heels. the challenge for an OC is to utilize the 9 zones for passing attack and Moore wasn't very consistent or good at it. his route combinations were very predictable and didn't scheme WRs open, instead just like Garrett's offense from the 90s, it involved a WR winning its one-on-one battles. that's why the offense struggled last year, since Brown, never known for being a good WR that can create separation, struggled and in today's NFL, you need to be three deep at WR. the prior years, we had Lamb, Gallup, Wilson and Cooper who were able to win one on one battles consistently.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And yet that garbage has been at the top of the league in scoring year after year

shhhh, don't burst his happy bubble. he lives in a silo echo chamber.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Some of the details aren’t exactly correct. But some of them are and are extremely indicting of Garrett and Kellen who were trying to use (the only offense they knew) a Coryell offense that required specific player types and especially constant motion, play action, and personnel groupings/formations - that they didn’t have. So why push a system that you really can’t use correctly because you don’t have the parts? Again. It’s all they knew. McCarthy hated Garrett’s playbook. In one of the press conferences following Kellen being let go, he barked, unprovoked, at the press “this is not Jason Garrett’s playbook”. He went onto say that playbooks change over time. So logically Kellen WAS usually Garrett’s playbook and McCarthy was trying to change it. He couldn’t while Kellen was still calling plays. The Coryell scheme is the only scheme Kellen knows. (He was even named after Kellen Winslow).

It starts out like a good idea but the incumbent stays in power and weakens both. Doug Marrone and Nathaniel Hackett locked themselves in a room for days to create a pro version of the Syracuse Coryell/WCO but they failed. Schottenheimer kept the same language of the WCO and put in Coryell plays in order to go in a Coryell direction. Why was he fired if he had all of those stats? Losses, lack of change, adjustment , creativity later in the season. Sound familiar? It’s Garrett and Kellen. It’s the flaw of the Coryell scheme. It sounds so good but without ideal players and especially innovation to get those players optimized, the scheme is Hue Jackson, Cam Cameron, Jack Reilly, Mike Tice, etc.

But the best stat is the Super Bowl. Count the number of teams that had a pure or heavy Coryell influence who won the Super Bowl or even were in the Super Bowl in the last 20 years.

Bruce Arians won with Pittsburgh (largely because of the defense) and Tom Brady modified Arians offense with the Bucs. Now count how often the WCO makes the Super Bowl and wins. And before you start arguing Erhardt-Perkins, the foundation of Brady’s success was the short pass which caused Steve young to comment “the Pats are running a West Coast offense”.

All this to say McCarthy is keeping long passes but making a WCO because that’s what works.

100%

 

[CCBoy]

if you can run successfully, specially on first downs, then you put the defense on it heels. the challenge for an OC is to utilize the 9 zones for passing attack and Moore wasn't very consistent or good at it. his route combinations were very predictable and didn't scheme WRs open, instead just like Garrett's offense from the 90s, it involved a WR winning its one-on-one battles. that's why the offense struggled last year, since Brown, never known for being a good WR that can create separation, struggled and in today's NFL, you need to be three deep at WR. the prior years, we had Lamb, Gallup, Wilson and Cooper who were able to win one on one battles consistently.

 

[CCBoy]

shhhh, don't burst his happy bubble. he lives in a silo echo chamber.

Naw, he stores his French wine there...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Naw, he stores his French wine there...

 

[CCBoy]

This post does have relevance now:

The Dallas Cowboys versus Philadelphia Eagles rivalry hasn't always been the fiercest in the division. Hierarchy in the NFC East ebbs and flows with essentially each coming year. That's apparent by the overstated fact that no team has repeated as NFC East champions since the Eagles won four straight from 2001-2004.

Fitting for America's Team, their biggest division rival changes as well. It's usually based on whichever team leads the division in any particular year.

By those standards, the Cowboys' current biggest rival is the Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles have appeared in two Super Bowls in the past seven seasons, winning one in 2017.

Despite the fact that Dak Prescott has an 8-3 advantage in head to head matchups, and two of those three losses came in his rookie and sophomore seasons.
On top of that, one of those losses was a meaningless Week 17 matchup where Prescott played just two series before hitting the bench.

https://insidethestar.com/tony-romos-1st-playoff-win-had-extra-meaning/

 

[StarOfGlory]

Atlantic Coast is beautiful and lots of fishing...the Northern Border gets colder.

Tuna fishing 80 miles off the New Jersey coast in November gets rather chilly. And choppy.

 

[CCBoy]

Tuna fishing 80 miles off the New Jersey coast in November gets rather chilly. And choppy.

A lot of tuna go all the way to the Mediteranean to spawn...even from our Gulf. A really fun time out on the water chasing them.

 

[Pass2Run]

A lot of tuna go all the way to the Mediteranean to spawn...even from our Gulf. A really fun time out on the water chasing them.

Tuna are the best eating.

 

[gimmesix]

exactly. there is no pure this or that any longer. there is elements of west coast, timing, run and shoot in all offenses. the better OCs use better route combinations and plays to figure out defensive formations and subsequently use it against them. unlike Garrett/Moore who insisted on using their schemes as is and force it to execute or else fail. no wonder Tampa defense said, we knew the offensive plays.
watching McVay at work vs. Moore is quite enlighting. Moore had some talent to work with and he was quite green and amateurish. never wanted him as our OC. since day 1.

I wonder if running scheme will include some or more of zone blocking allowing Pollard to use his speed to pick a hole to hit, as opposed to the gap scheme we ran in previous years. it was highly effective in SF, Denver in the past.

Some of the questions about the offense do involve the blocking scheme (particular in the running game), use of route combinations, etc. I give credit to Moore for expanding on what Garrett was doing (at least) by adding motion to an offense that relied too much on straight-up matchups and never seemed to try to create mismatches. However, I've always been jealous of coaches since Garrett and his cronies arrive who make better use of bunching, rub routes, screens, etc., to exploit defensive tendencies. We've run some WR screens, but hardly any RB screens, and use jet sweeps, but that's about the limit of our creativity.

Hopefully, McCarthy will make better use of those things. It's difficult to say he needs to be better than the coordinator of the top offense, but we all know that that top offense often came up short against top defenses where you need to be more than just good at the things that you do. You need to have counterpunches to get that defense off its game.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

if you can run successfully, specially on first downs,

This does not exist without a vertical passing game that is the primary threat on first down.

 

[conner01]

And the garbage couldn’t even break 18 points when it mattered.

One game

 

[CCBoy]

This does not exist without a vertical passing game that is the primary threat on first down.

Vertical is only a part of it...usually at 20 yards with YAC after. But if not there, defenses merely move up closer to the line.

 

[CCBoy]

One player I'm hoping moves back up is Galloway and a dominant #3 role. Get back to where you were our friend. Make the Cowboys' receivers the very top of the NFL!