the ticket on garrett

[Doomsday101]

Excellent observation! I'm right along with the others in agreeing with your point. Wade would be a blah hiring. Why not look at the possibility of making Garrett the HC and seeing what he can do for one year. It's nice to know that Cowher is going to be coming back. That could be a safety blanket should Garrett fall flat on his face. I seriously doubt he falls though.

I hope that is not the case. If you hire Garrett then he should get more than a 1 year oppertunity to show himself as a legit HC. As for Cowher it is not a sure thing he will return next year.

 

[Bleu Star]

I hope that is not the case. If you hire Garrett then he should get more than a 1 year oppertunity to show himself as a legit HC. As for Cowher it is not a sure thing he will return next year.

It's a feasible scenario as I stated before "if Garrett falls flat on his face". It would take a lot for Garrett to fall flat on his face in one year. However, it is a scenario give the good possibility that Cowher comes back in 08. As I stated, I believe Garrett will do well.

 

[kjsm5]

I agree completely, I am tired of hearing let's wait until next year ansd bide our time. Fisher was hired young as well and has not won a Super Bowl yet. Cowher is not a proven commodity. If you are looking at recent history The 2006 Steelers left a lot to be desired. I'd feel alot more comfortable with Norv's fiery young prodigy than with Norv again. Look at Ernie Zampese, Norv was a Zampese product and had MUCH more success here than Zampese.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's a feasible scenario as I stated before "if Garrett falls flat on his face". It would take a lot for Garrett to fall flat on his face in one year. However, it is a scenario give the good possibility that Cowher comes back in 08. As I stated, I believe Garrett will do well.

What I'm saying is Garrett if named HC should be given more than a 1 year deal and firing any coach after 1 season is a good way to scare off other coaches down the line.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The probem I have with Garrett as our HC is that there will most certainly be a bigger learning curve. He would not be going from QB coach to OC. He would be going from QB coach to HC. That's like going from HS to Pro Ball, so to speak.

We, IMO, have a team that is very close now. I would not want to see us throw away 3 years on learning curve. JMO.

 

[Bleu Star]

What I'm saying is Garrett if named HC should be given more than a 1 year deal and firing any coach after 1 season is a good way to scare off other coaches down the line.

Would you feel the same way at the end of 07 if we were 0-16 and had lost every game by a point margin of 50? I'm just trying to further clarify "falling flat on his face" for you.

 

[SteamedSoup]

Jerry lasted how long with Jimmy?

If five years is the ceiling on this job even for one who is wildly successful, then unless a coach is already in his seventies, I have absolutely zero reason to factor in his age.

What difference does it make if the coach is going to be 36, 45, or 65 in five years when you have too big of an attention deficit to keep anyone past five years, anyway?

 

[rangers71]

The probem I have with Garrett as our HC is that there will most certainly be a bigger learning curve. He would not be going from QB coach to OC. He would be going from QB coach to HC. That's like going from HS to Pro Ball, so to speak.

We, IMO, have a team that is very close now. I would not want to see us throw away 3 years on learning curve. JMO.

Why is it so important to be an OC before a head coach? You either can coach or you can't? You don't learn all your X's and O's being a OC. I mean it's not rocket science. You either can do it or not. Like Mike Ditka said on the radio Monday all of these guys know X's and O's. And besides the most important part of being a HC is how you handle people. We have all heard and read the reviews about Jason being a great mind, and essentially a coach during his whole playing career. The people that say that know way more than any of us so why question it?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why is it so important to be an OC before a head coach? You either can coach or you can't? You don't learn all your X's and O's being a OC. I mean it's not rocket science. You either can do it or not. Like Mike Ditka said on the radio Monday all of these guys know X's and O's. And besides the most important part of being a HC is how you handle people. We have all heard and read the reviews about Jason being a great mind, and essentially a coach during his whole playing career. The people that say that know way more than any of us so why question it?

There is a great deal more to being a HC then a QB position coach. You either can do it or you can't, is that right? Well, we don't know that he can do anything at this point. He's a QB coach for what, two years? Has he gotten one other offer to interview from a single team anywhere else? At least as a coordinator, you get some exposure to handling some of the things that are expected of you as an HC. Listen to Jimmy Johnson and what he says about being a young HC in the NFL. Listen to Mora Jr. You don't just fall out of bed and become a great HC in the NFL because you have "IT". That's a big load of crap. You gotta know a little something and you only get that by experience IMO.

 

[jimmy40]

they just threw out 2 names that jumped from posistion coach to HC. and that was andy reid and ron merinelli(i know i misspelled his name).

they're talking bout phillips being a boring hire, and would be a step back for the team because of the age, rather then moving on with youth in garrett.

i look at it this way, if garrett bombs this yr, next yr cowher, lovie, and fisher will be free. but i think garrett can handle it.

made another good point being that phillips is 60 yrs old and only has been a Hc for 5 yrs? so the majority of his career teams didnt want him? and all of the sudden he's the answer for dallas? they dont think so

My problem with Phillips is when it started going bad in Buffalo he was completely lost on what to do. I just don't think he's head coaching material.

 

[zeromaster]

There is still a feeling in some circles that working your way up has merit. To jump by leaps and bounds is great for the individual, but for all the others that have worked hard in pursuit of something, what message does that send? Someone has to lose, in fact many have to lose for someone to win.

To say you either have it or you don't is quite a simplification. What is "it"? How is it measured? The same can be said about either someone can coach or they can't.

The scope of what has to be done goes up astronomically as more people come into play. A position coach is dealing with less people overall and a smaller part of the picture. A head coach is dealing to an extent with all of it, even if he delegates: he still has to have a good sense of what is happening in all areas and have confidence in it. That's where a competent staff comes into play. Who's hiring that staff, the head coach or the owner?

I don't doubt that Garrett has the capacity to learn, especially with his background. Against the big stage that is the Cowboys, the media scriutiny, the personalities involved, how will he fare? Is it fair given the expectations of the owner and the fan base to assume immediate success given the talent and its potential?

I agree that only Jones knows what he wants and will do what his money and ego dictate. We can't influence it, other than indirectly through ticket and merchandise sales. But we can argue things till the cows come home; that's the most entertaining part of message boards.

 

[rangers71]

I still say your too hung up on that fact. It has worked out for Andy Reid. And like I said I can show you 25 coordinators who never amounted to a pile of **** when they finally got the chance. So if you want to get a retread then fine, but just because he has experience doesn't mean anything. I mean we have seen first hand here. Chan Gailey and Campo. They were both respected coordinators. How did that work out. Also ask Romeo Crennel, Dennis Green, Norv Turner, Bill Callahan, Gary Kubiak, Wade Phillips, Dave Wanndstedt, Butch Davis, the list goes on and on. They all share 2 things. Hot name coordiantors whos sucked as head NFL coach's.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I still say your too hung up on that fact. It has worked out for Andy Reid. And like I said I can show you 25 coordinators who never amounted to a pile of **** when they finally got the chance. So if you want to get a retread then fine, but just because he has experience doesn't mean anything. I mean we have seen first hand here. Chan Gailey and Campo. They were both respected coordinators. How did that work out. Also ask Romeo Crennel, Dennis Green, Norv Turner, Bill Callahan, Gary Kubiak, Wade Phillips, Dave Wanndstedt, Butch Davis, the list goes on and on. They all share 2 things. Hot name coordiantors whos sucked as head NFL coach's.

OK, name me 5 guys with two years NFL coaching experinence that have succesfully made the move from QB coach to HC.

 

[Established1971]

the league has changed.....when he started out, u were an assistant for a long time and had to work your way up the ranks.....coaches lasted a lot longer and were given more time to succeed.

Nowadays....a coach is lucky to get 3 years to win or he is gone. Just think if Dallas would have been that way with Landry.....We never would have had 20 consecutive winning seasons, 5 SBs, 2 Rings....and all that stability.

So to me age means nothing. Marv Levy was old, old and coached the Bills to 4 consecutive SBs....Vermiel was old when he came back and took the Rams to the SB and won it....using the age card is lame.

except you can say that Parcells age was the reason he thought he had to try winning with Testaverde and Bledsoe, instead of being more patient and developing a qb.

 

[rangers71]

OK, name me 5 guys with two years NFL coaching experinence that have succesfully made the move from QB coach to HC.

I never said I could. My point was that I think sometimes we get to hung up on experience just because that is the way it has been done forever. I say take a chance on him.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

OK, name me 5 guys with two years NFL coaching experinence that have succesfully made the move from QB coach to HC.

Garrett as HC makes no sense whatsoever.

I feel like I'm talking to a salesmen trying to convince me to buy something "before they are all gone". Sort of like, "Hey Jerry, hire Jason before someone else snaps him up".

I can't believe the HC job of THE most visible franchise in the NFL and THE most demanding job in the NFL, (Parcells was even surprised by the amount of interest and scrutiny in the Cowboys and he coached both NY teams), is going to be given to a guy who has only been a coach, AT ANY LEVEL, for 2 years!

 

[justbob]

This sounds silly and it's probably not possible in today's NFL, but I want another Landry. I want a guy we can hitch the team to for years and years. I'm tired of changing coaches every 3 or 4 years. I want someone that's going to become the face of the franchise for a long long time.

I don't think that is silly --The steelers have done

 

[cobra]

I think it was not talking so much about his age....as it was saying he has been hired but two times for HC positions in all of that time.

It's a completely valid point, and it has always been my concern with Norm Chow.

Norm was a college assistant coach for over 20 years.... something tells me that if he was that good of a coach, someone would have noticed that earlier and made him a head coach in college along time ago. Granted he has had some recent successes with qbs, but I can't get past the fact that surely he would have had a head coaching gig long before now if he was a good coach.

 

[rangers71]

I believe Chow has said numerous times that he doesn't want to be a head cocah. And trust me he is a great coach.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I never said I could. My point was that I think sometimes we get to hung up on experience just because that is the way it has been done forever. I say take a chance on him.

Fair enough but I say we have a team that is very close to being good enough to challenge for a championship. That opportunity is not going to last forever. We might have 3 or 4 good years to win one. Your taking a pretty big risk by bringing in somebody who has zero experience as HC and little to no track record of success as a position coach. Honestly, you have to give this guy at least 3 years to prove himself. If he isn't the guy, you pretty much wasted your window of opportunity. Even if you bring in an experienced HC, it's going to take at least a season, maybe more, to get us ready. Things are going to change. Offense, defense, coaching staff, all is going to change to some degree or another. It's a pretty big risk to take IMO.