The truth about Terrance Williams

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Why do we have to have two elite WRs? I don't see teams regularly winning Super Bowls with two elites.

I was given the argument that you had to have (2) and I showed all WR's for all teams left in the playoffs. he backed up faster than anything could beep to keep up, but he sure didn't change directions.

quite the feat.
 

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He does have to try to quit the body catching. That's why the perfectly throw pass went threw his arms on that td attempt.
 

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But Romo would NEVER stop going to Dez over a drop. Catching the ball in traffic is something Dez can do all night and all day. QBs....at this level...have to throw the ball and "expect" the WR to make a play. They have to "give the WR a chance" Romo really does not feel comfortable going to Terrance unless he is wide open...and that makes Romos job a lot harder.

Yes, Dez is a better receiver than Williams. He makes contested catches, this isn't a news flash. And when you say "He catches a ball in traffic", when? I think you're using that phrase wrong.

As for Williams not making contested catches, that's not the kind of receiver he is. He's not a jump ball receiver, he's a space receiver. You know, there are more than one type of receiver. He's a route runner (Still improving), he's a deep threat, he makes defenders fear Romo going over the top. You say he makes Romo's game a lot harder, he doesn't and you haven't given proof of this. He actually makes it easier by stretching the field, something we didn't have since Owens left.

And you for some reason think Romo is going to stop the scrambling and improvising because he has a similar WR to Bryant as our #2, he won't. Romo improvises when the line of scrimmage breaks down. not because of Williams. It's best for Romo to have more than just Witten to throw to when he does his Houdini act, because Dez Bryant rarely finds a way to get open when Romo is doing that.
 

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And I love the WR coach wannabe talk in this thread. "He's a body catcher!", "His hands are too small!", "He drops the ball too much!"!

Do you guys even have evidence to support such claims?

His hands are small with respect to other wide receivers. That is an easily verifiable fact as they were measured at 8 3/4". Does that mean they are "too small"? That question seems subjective.
 

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He hasn't been consistent enough. We shouldn't settle on Williams as the 2 if an upgrade presents itself. If not, he's got potential for more.

He himself may be the upgrade next season. Jordy Nelson wasn't lighting it up his first 2 or 3 years in Green Bay. The Packers had patience and he is now one of the top wide receivers in the game. Nelson has 4 TD receptions in 9 playoff games for Green Bay. Williams is off to a good start for his career and he could continue to develop. Dallas also has Street on the team who could also develop next season. A team doesn't always have to look outward to find upgrades. The Packers usually don't. They give their wide receivers time to develop.
 

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He himself may be the upgrade next season. Jordy Nelson wasn't lighting it up his first 2 or 3 years in Green Bay. The Packers had patience and he is now one of the top wide receivers in the game. Nelson has 4 TD receptions in 9 playoff games for Green Bay. Williams is off to a good start for his career and he could continue to develop. Dallas also has Street on the team who could also develop next season. A team doesn't always have to look outward to find upgrades. The Packers usually don't. They give their wide receivers time to develop.

The Packers drafted Davante Adams in the 2nd round last year despite having a very good WR corp. So bad example. They throw numbers at the position to ensure their franchise QB has enough weapons. We should do the same.

I said Williams can improve but I wouldn't count on him improving.
 

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The Packers drafted Davante Adams in the 2nd round last year despite having a very good WR corp. So bad example. They throw numbers at the position to ensure their franchise QB has enough weapons. We should do the same.

I said Williams can improve but I wouldn't count on him improving.

Not a bad example considering Dallas drafted Williams the year before when they had Dez and Miles Austin on the team and then drafted Street last year. The Packers aren't going to look to replace Adams any time soon. You just don't think Williams is good enough. You probably didn't think Jordy Nelson was good enough after his second year, either.
 

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And you for some reason think Romo is going to stop the scrambling and improvising because he has a similar WR to Bryant as our #2, he won't. Romo improvises when the line of scrimmage breaks down. not because of Williams. It's best for Romo to have more than just Witten to throw to when he does his Houdini act, because Dez Bryant rarely finds a way to get open when Romo is doing that.

Have to agree with this. Romo will do what he does regardless of if he has another physical WR, heck his natural tendency is to look for separation over throwing the ball up for the WR to go get it.

I keep TWill and worry about other holes unless someone falls at WR we just can't pass up. Give me help on D, at RT, and perhaps RB if we let Murray walk.
 

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Not a bad example considering Dallas drafted Williams the year before when they had Dez and Miles Austin on the team and then drafted Street last year. The Packers aren't going to look to replace Adams any time soon. You just don't think Williams is good enough. You probably didn't think Jordy Nelson was good enough after his second year, either.

You seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension. Kindly point me to where I say Williams can't be good enough.

You "probably" have no idea what I thought of Jordy Nelson and are "probably" talking out of your rear end.

He hasn't been consistent, but he can improve. My hope for improvement wouldn't stop me from adding another significant WR to the team. Just like having two dynamite WRs starting didn't stop the Packers from taking Adams last year in the 2nd round.
 

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Yes, Dez is a better receiver than Williams. He makes contested catches, this isn't a news flash. And when you say "He catches a ball in traffic", when? I think you're using that phrase wrong.

As for Williams not making contested catches, that's not the kind of receiver he is. He's not a jump ball receiver, he's a space receiver. You know, there are more than one type of receiver. He's a route runner (Still improving), he's a deep threat, he makes defenders fear Romo going over the top. You say he makes Romo's game a lot harder, he doesn't and you haven't given proof of this. He actually makes it easier by stretching the field, something we didn't have since Owens left.

And you for some reason think Romo is going to stop the scrambling and improvising because he has a similar WR to Bryant as our #2, he won't. Romo improvises when the line of scrimmage breaks down. not because of Williams. It's best for Romo to have more than just Witten to throw to when he does his Houdini act, because Dez Bryant rarely finds a way to get open when Romo is doing that.

Those back to back sacks were because Beasley and Williams did not win one on one battles. Dez and Witten were doubled. We don't convert those 2 4th down conversions....and this game looks vastly different. Romo and the OL don't play at a superior level on the game winning TD catch....this game looks far different. The play before that....Williams had a TD go right through his hands. As we go further up the ladder the reins start to tighten. The Bill Bellechecks and Dom Capers and Steve Spagnolas are all well aware who Dez and Witten are...and they are going to take them out of the game. Is Terrance ready to step up. That is all I am asking.
 

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The Packers drafted Davante Adams in the 2nd round last year despite having a very good WR corp. So bad example. They throw numbers at the position to ensure their franchise QB has enough weapons. We should do the same.

I said Williams can improve but I wouldn't count on him improving.

The Cowboys have drafted a WR in the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts.
In that time frame they have drafted 5 WRs

The Green Bay Packers have not drafted a WR in each draft of that same time period but they have added more in individual years.
In that time frame they have 6 WRs.

So yes they throw numbers at the position and you say we should do the same...So I guess in that time frame we should have added ONE more WR.

Or...Bad example.
 

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The Cowboys have drafted a WR in the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts.
In that time frame they have drafted 5 WRs

The Green Bay Packers have not drafted a WR in each draft of that same time period but they have added more in individual years.
In that time frame they have 6 WRs.

So yes they throw numbers at the position and you say we should do the same...So I guess in that time frame we should have added ONE more WR.

Or...Bad example.

I don't care if we draft him or find him in free agency. I am simply saying this team is NOW at a place where you are 1 or 2 pieces away. And you cannot just let the New Englands and Denvers and Baltimores etc....we cannot just let them get the Steve Smiths, Anquan Boldins, Wes Welkers etc........this is nothing wrong with adding a veteran piece to get you over the hump. And all I am asking is do we "trust" Williams...or do we get someone who is more proven
 

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I don't care if we draft him or find him in free agency. I am simply saying this team is NOW at a place where you are 1 or 2 pieces away. And you cannot just let the New Englands and Denvers and Baltimores etc....we cannot just let them get the Steve Smiths, Anquan Boldins, Wes Welkers etc........this is nothing wrong with adding a veteran piece to get you over the hump. And all I am asking is do we "trust" Williams...or do we get someone who is more proven

Lighten up Frances...I was not speaking to you.
 

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Ya man I'm really not sure where you are going with this. The dude is a completely legitimate no2. He's no Bryant, and that's ok because if he was we wouldn't be able to afford him. He's a dang good receiver and like some of the others have posted...offense has enough weapons let's work on this defense
 

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Those back to back sacks were because Beasley and Williams did not win one on one battles. Dez and Witten were doubled. We don't convert those 2 4th down conversions....and this game looks vastly different. Romo and the OL don't play at a superior level on the game winning TD catch....this game looks far different. The play before that....Williams had a TD go right through his hands. As we go further up the ladder the reins start to tighten. The Bill Bellechecks and Dom Capers and Steve Spagnolas are all well aware who Dez and Witten are...and they are going to take them out of the game. Is Terrance ready to step up. That is all I am asking.

Okay? WRs don't always beat coverage, it happens. We've seen them both do so before, have we not? You know, like when Williams took it to the house, the multiple times Beasley sneaks and gets away from a WR. So Williams let a ball go through his hands, okay, but he also caught the game winning TD pass. And again, that's one example. How often does Williams let balls go through his hands and how many passes has he dropped?

And Dez has been shut down in a lot of games or held to under 100 yards and Williams picked up the slack. I don't see an issue here.
 

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I don't care if we draft him or find him in free agency. I am simply saying this team is NOW at a place where you are 1 or 2 pieces away. And you cannot just let the New Englands and Denvers and Baltimores etc....we cannot just let them get the Steve Smiths, Anquan Boldins, Wes Welkers etc........this is nothing wrong with adding a veteran piece to get you over the hump. And all I am asking is do we "trust" Williams...or do we get someone who is more proven

What hump? We are doing just fine with the passing game.

And seeing as how Romo went to Romo in the end zone more than he did with Dez the other day, I'd say yes, Romo trusts Williams. And at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
 

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You seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension. Kindly point me to where I say Williams can't be good enough.

You "probably" have no idea what I thought of Jordy Nelson and are "probably" talking out of your rear end.

He hasn't been consistent, but he can improve. My hope for improvement wouldn't stop me from adding another significant WR to the team. Just like having two dynamite WRs starting didn't stop the Packers from taking Adams last year in the 2nd round.

But aren't we supposed to be fixing the trenches? Fixing the defense?

Congrats you made the most ridiculous post in this thread and that is saying something when you consider the OP and the usual Williams hater.
 
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