The truth about Terrance Williams

[mattjames2010]

And I love the WR coach wannabe talk in this thread. "He's a body catcher!", "His hands are too small!", "He drops the ball too much!"!

Do you guys even have evidence to support such claims?

 

[perrykemp]

And I love the WR coach wannabe talk in this thread. "He's a body catcher!", "His hands are too small!", "He drops the ball too much!"!

Do you guys even have evidence to support such claims?

Just about every scouting report about Williams coming out of the draft.

That doesn't mean that those things are written in stone. I think he has done a good job overall.

 

[pupulehaole]

Let me preface this by saying I appreciate the contributions of Terrance Williams. I am not "complaining"...I am making an observation and I said this BEFORE the season. I really wondered aloud if Terrance was ready to be a #2 on a team with a REAL chance to compete for a Super Bowl.

Terrance Williams is a guy who can do things in space. Terrance Williams is a guy who can make plays when he is OPEN! He is pretty good in "sand lot" and/or "broken" plays....much like the kid we had a couple of years ago who left via free agency to Jacksonville.

The problem with this is as follows: being NFL "open" and being "open" are 2 different things. And Romo is a legitimate NFL QB that can "throw" guys open. He can "lead" WRs. He can throw the ball where the WR is "supposed" to be...or throw it BEFORE a WR comes out his break. People really do not understand how much "harder" Romo's life is when you don't have disciplined and/or good route runners! This is not an offense that functions well with a freestyle passing game!

Romo is not like a lot of these young QBs that are coming out of the college spread offenses where they can only throw the ball when they see the WRs "numbers" Which is why a lot of these young QBs are struggling at this level.

Terrance is such a WR. Coming out of Baylor where RG3 was his QB....where there are multiple rumors that there were wasn't much of a playbook...and they played the fastbreak spread style offense.

With as much attention Dez gets....the guy on the other side of him should be feasting. And it really makes the life of Romo, the OL, the RB and the entire offense way too hard when Romo cannot on a consistent basis simply throw the ball to the ONE on ONE option. That throw in the first quarter...that either has to be caught by Terrance..or the defender would need to have to interfere with him to break it up. In the fourth quarter where we were down by the goaline...and Dez was probably being doubled/tripled.....the ball went right through Terrance hands. Why? Because Terrance is not really a guy who catches in traffic or does well in bang bang plays.

So since he is who we got....do we move forward believing that he can be a legitimate #2 on a Super Bowl team. Or do we realize that Romo has a few years left in him and we really need to see if you can get a veteran WR (Larry Fitzgerald type) to put the finishing touches on this offense.

Keep in mind...I know all of the stats and what this offense has done this year....yada....yada. I am talking about competing at the HIGHEST level....I am talking about more consistency and less "cardiac kids" football.

LOL go look up the Cowboys offense buddy. Its ranked in the top 3 in most major statistics. Pretty sure thats "competing at the HIGHEST level".

 

[TrailBlazer]

And I love the WR coach wannabe talk in this thread. "He's a body catcher!", "His hands are too small!", "He drops the ball too much!"!

Do you guys even have evidence to support such claims?

He should've had that one that went through his hands in the end zone. I expect pros to catch that.

 

[mattjames2010]

He should've had that one that went through his hands in the end zone. I expect pros to catch that.

And yet, pros drop passes or let balls slip through their hands all the time. I've scratched my head at Dez's drops more often than anyone.

You expect QBs to not miss a throw, you expect a QB to not throw INTs, you expect RBs not to fumble. WRs get drops, it happens.

 

[MRV52]

He looked good to me yesterday and he had some good games during the year. We wouldn't have beaten Seattle if he didn't make that terrific catch. Terrance Williams is not problem on this team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Behind Murray, Dez and JWit is some guy who has 4 TDs in the last 3 games with a 26.4 yrds per catch avg. Yeah that's a problem.

 

[Risen Star]

Just about every scouting report about Williams coming out of the draft.

That doesn't mean that those things are written in stone. I think he has done a good job overall.

He hasn't been consistent enough. We shouldn't settle on Williams as the 2 if an upgrade presents itself. If not, he's got potential for more.

 

[Rainy]

Say what you want about TWill but the man plays at full throttle every snap and opens things up for others despite not getting the ball thrown his way. I remember at the beginning of the season in one of Bob Sturm's break down, he mentioned how TWill running across the middle of the field baffled the deep safety and allowed Dez to run right behind him for an easy score
In Romo's press conference after the second Eagles game where Dez made that eagle's corner look like burnt toast, Romo mentioned how it was the routes of the other receivers on the outside that forced the safety to slide in the opposite direction of Dez allowing Dez 1 on 1. We all know how that turned out
On all the rushing touchdowns, especially the long runs with Dunbar and Randle, it is usually TWill throwing the block to secure the last 20+ yards.
Heck in the London game, he threw a block at the line of scrimmage, then hopped over a defender to run down field to escort Randle in
In the Washington game where Dunbar took that draw play to the house? It was TWill blocking at the end

The most important thing to me though is how he reminds of Laurent Robinson. Remember few years ago where when the play broke down, Robinson almost always found a way to break free and make the defense pay. Romo even mentioned how TWill moves like a QB and has a knack for knowing how the QB reacts under pressure and running in the direction that allows for the QB to see him and throw the ball

 

[MWH1967]

When is Calvin Johnson's contract up? Could you imagine Dez and Megatron on the field at the same time? Jerry, make it happen.

Yeah, but with those two and Tony there would be no one else out there. 3 on 11 would be rough.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I like TWill he makes big plays in pressure moments and I have an appreciation for that type of player! I don't think he'll ever be a legit #1 however I think he's more than capable of being a nice #2.

 

[jobberone]

One criticism I really have of Williams is his lack of winning one-on-one contested battles.

If he gets away from the defensive back covering him, he makes plays.

If he doesn't, he doesn't.

When it's at all contested, he loses.

I'd like to see him improve there for sure.

QFT. And Dez can be a wuss at times as well. Irvin needs to get a hold of both of them and do some serious physicality lessons. Yes, Dez loses too many physical battles at times. Not the back shoulder, sky high stuff but the not fall down or not catch the ball outmuscled thrown off stride stuff.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

He should've had that one that went through his hands in the end zone. I expect pros to catch that.

I cannot stress enough that I am making an observation. Romo does not trust him as much as a QB should trust his #2. Down on the goaline.....Romo made the correct read giving Williams that chance.....and down on the goaline...those are the kinds of catches that you HAVE to make. Teams KNOW going to Dez in that situation is a layup. So the EASIEST matchup in that situation is Terrance....and Terrance showed WHY Romo does not go to him in that situation.....which makes Romos job that much harder. The game winnnng TD Williams caught.....that was the OL and Romo....NOT Terrance. Am I glad he caught it? Sure! But without Romos special skills....without the OL...we never get that chance. But it would have been MUCH more comfortable if Terrance had simply caught the pass that went right through his hands. But the reality....that is not Terrance game. Catching the ball in traffic is not his game....and in this offfense...the WRs on the outside need to win their battles....and that is not his strength. So I am just wondering if we should "trust" that Terrance will eventually catch on.....especially knowing that window for Romo is closing!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

And yet, pros drop passes or let balls slip through their hands all the time. I've scratched my head at Dez's drops more often than anyone.

You expect QBs to not miss a throw, you expect a QB to not throw INTs, you expect RBs not to fumble. WRs get drops, it happens.

But Romo would NEVER stop going to Dez over a drop. Catching the ball in traffic is something Dez can do all night and all day. QBs....at this level...have to throw the ball and "expect" the WR to make a play. They have to "give the WR a chance" Romo really does not feel comfortable going to Terrance unless he is wide open...and that makes Romos job a lot harder.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

But Romo would NEVER stop going to Dez over a drop. Catching the ball in traffic is something Dez can do all night and all day. QBs....at this level...have to throw the ball and "expect" the WR to make a play. They have to "give the WR a chance" Romo really does not feel comfortable going to Terrance unless he is wide open...and that makes Romos job a lot harder.

I remember when this was a criticism of Romo, when him and Dez couldn't connect it was cause Romo didn't see separation so he wouldn't throw the ball to Dez.....how things change. From what I have seen, it makes no difference to Romo now, but early in his career he looked for separation more than a WR winning a physical battle so he wouldn't just throw the ball up there and let the WR make the play.

So with that said, now that Romo can throw to either type, it comes down to the WR. TWill is really good in space, but he isn't good at the physical part of being a WR, hence the comparison with Alvin Harper and the reason you can't throw him the ball if he has no separation. Does this make it harder for Romo, yes, but we have other options on this team that can fill that role, of course that really starts with Escobar who is vastly underused on this team.

Fitz would be nice, but he would also be a luxury that we just don't need. I would rather have a guy like TWill who thrives in the open field at getting separation and has a knack like Robinson did with Romo, than a guy whose game is really similar to Dez's game. If you want another #2 on this team, give me a true speed deep threat, not a guy who can just get deep and win a battle like Fitz. Deshawn Jackson, Torrey Smith, and such.....but I will say this, TWill is doing the job, and doing it well. We have other holes to fill and with Beasley coming on, I would rather not have to move Beastley down the pecking order by a new addition.

TWill is still a developing WR, stick with it, and fill other obvious holes in this team.

 

[The Realist]

Everything about this team is modeled after the 90's Cowboys. TW is duplicating what Harper did.

If all of a sudden TW was getting 65-75 balls I guarantee you people would be whining about Witten only getting 35-45 or why did we abandon the run.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Everything about this team is modeled after the 90's Cowboys. TW is duplicating what Harper did.

If all of a sudden TW was getting 65-75 balls I guarantee you people would be whining about Witten only getting 35-45 or why did we abandon the run.

People need to STOP comparing this to the 90s. That was a FAR superior defense. That was a FAR superior coaching staff. The depth on that team was unreal. How many of those coaches went on to become Head Coaches? Heck Steve Beurlein led us to the playoffs when Troy missed significant time. Brandon Weeden could not even lead us out the tunnel! So why it may "appear" that is what we are trying to emulate. THIS team. THIS team does not have the formula THAT team has. And Romo has less time left in his career than Troy had on those early 90s team. And football is played differently today than it was back then. So since this offense asks more of Tony than it asked of Troy....can we afford to gamble on TWill....that is my question

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

The guy just scored twice in a playoff game lol

 

[The Realist]

People need to STOP comparing this to the 90s. That was a FAR superior defense. That was a FAR superior coaching staff. The depth on that team was unreal. How many of those coaches went on to become Head Coaches? Heck Steve Beurlein led us to the playoffs when Troy missed significant time. Brandon Weeden could not even lead us out the tunnel! So why it may "appear" that is what we are trying to emulate. THIS team. THIS team does not have the formula THAT team has. And Romo has less time left in his career than Troy had on those early 90s team. And football is played differently today than it was back then. So since this offense asks more of Tony than it asked of Troy....can we afford to gamble on TWill....that is my question

I didn't say identical but very similar. That team had all that talent pre salary cap. That team had great coordinators who became awful had coaches. Our great coordinators have already been great awful head coaches. The fact that other teams choose to play football differently on offense doesn't change the way we want to play on offense.

I think we're ranked pretty high in scoring.

Whining up the wrong tree.

 

[iceberg]

I think Williams has the highest percentage of TDs to targets in the league (according to a local media person).

If he was really running bad routes, Romo would be on his case.

You appear to want two #1 WRs and very few teams have two of them. Some teams don't really have one.

some people just bust their cybery-hiney to sound smart by using terms and phrases they've heard, so they apply liberally and see who buys their expertise.