The Unfathomable Kellen Moore Play. Did this seal his doom with Jerald?

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MM is why KM is no longer here. When you get past the typical coachspeak and public sunshine pumping and bouquets he threw him when he left— he told us why the change was made:

Run efficiency.

It wasn’t the numbers of called run plays that was driving MM crazy. It was poor situational play calling and not effectively playing complimentary football with the D.

MM said he will settle for less “production” (stats and points) if he can get better “efficiency “ (fewer turnovers, more TOP, fewer penalties, cleaner execution).

And he’s right. With KM we will blow some teams out and look fantastic on offense (Minnesota last year for example), and then some weeks we look absolutely abysmal (Wash).

The inconsistency and lack of awareness of WHEN to run and play smart situational football was driving MM (and some of us fans too lol) crazy imo
You couldnt have been dead on Correct My Guy !! The exact same way i always interpreted the way it all came down.. MM sould have been giving the opportunity from day 1 of been hired to install his own offense and have full command because it still never made sense to now getting the real results that kellen wasn’t ever the answer but us as fans and how jerry and his son blew MM first 3 years is dead right wrong and now how this year thats coming up in 2023 ans how all the moves have been made Is just the example and the proof that jerry and The Front Office did MM and Dak and also DQ and the Defense a disservice allowing KM to Screw up the whole plan of what it really takes to win!!!
 

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oh, zeke tried. he had 26 meaningful yards in 10 carries for an astounding 2.6 yards and a long run of 5 yards.
just too dang funny what you will cling to...
So what was Tony's numbers before he went down?

You are quick to blame the o-line to defend Dak....interesting.
 

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Yep...fitting on so many ways. Can you imagine asking Barry or Emmitt to go out there and play the entire O-line? Would they do it?

MEanwhile we got JACK wagons ridiculing zeke for trying.

The amount of disrespect by the coaches and fans is unfathomable.
He didn’t play the entire o-line. He had to block one guy. A linebacker. You know, the same type of pass protection you would heeeeehaaaw about Zeke being awesome at and that supposedly nobody in the league could do better.

Instead, he got folded.
 

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It hurts me. It burns in me heart.

Don't make this about Dak.

Another Kellen Moore legacy for us.

What had inflamed me with regret all these years was Jackie Smith dropping tha ball in 1979. But at least Dan Reeves had a plan. A good one! Alas, it failed.

But this play should live in infamy when Fat Mac and Kellen Moore mentally abandoned their team in panic.

Indeed, wha was Dallas doing?

You mean you completely dismiss the back to back plays that resulted in two pick (one was dropped) sixes? And then go back in look at other games to find that we are doing that same play over and over again which is a horrible play design in the first place given our lack of vertical threat.
 

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He didn’t play the entire o-line. He had to block one guy. A linebacker. You know, the same type of pass protection you would heeeeehaaaw about Zeke being awesome at and that supposedly nobody in the league could do better.

Instead, he got folded.
So who else played the line with him?

Yep he got blasted. Probably why hes not center.
 

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I liked the call. The execution didn't work out but it's not like any other play had better than a 5% chance either. The crap people complain about...
 

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this wasn't about Tony. this was about zeke sucking. and suck he did. using Bash Dak over dallas cult logic, how much was Zeke paid? as the starting RB....
I see....so we can only talk about what you say? Ridiculous.

My point was our run game wasnt doing much as a whole. Tony had one "good" run.
Now....could he have made some big plays to change the outcome? Sure....of course. Tony can pop some off any given moment. But it wasnt happening up to then.
Tony had one more yard per carry....including the one 10 yarder. O line just wasnt making much.

But....Our run game....including tony....had been slipping all through the late season. Hard to say.
 

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I see....so we can only talk about what you say? Ridiculous.

My point was our run game wasnt doing much as a whole. Tony had one "good" run.
Now....could he have made some big plays to change the outcome? Sure....of course. Tony can pop some off any given moment. But it wasnt happening up to then.
Tony had one more yard per carry....including the one 10 yarder. O line just wasnt making much.

But....Our run game....including tony....had been slipping all through the late season. Hard to say.
so zeke sucked more than tony....like a whole yard per carry is meaningless. I am going to have to remember that one and quote you on it.

and you just said the OL wasn't doing much.....but was it only for RBs? or was it not doing much to protect the QB?
just trying to get to the bottom of your agenda.
 

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I have zero issues with that final play. It’s such a low percentage situation either way you might as well try and get creative. Getting a couple lineman off the field and extra skill players on the field who can advance the ball is a decent idea, meanwhile the remaining oline is already set outside to clear a path for a runner.

What doesn’t make sense to me is the pass right over the middle to Turpin. Not sure if that was the original design or if dak went to him just because he was under pressure so quick and could let the actual play develop?
This. Turpin was just supposed to break to the outside or something with the blockers and then play the lateral game.

It was too cute, but might as well try it.
 

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so zeke sucked more than tony....like a whole yard per carry is meaningless. I am going to have to remember that one and quote you on it.

and you just said the OL wasn't doing much.....but was it only for RBs? or was it not doing much to protect the QB?
just trying to get to the bottom of your agenda.
I have no agenda. Yes....its my opinion the o line was not good for anyone. I have never said otherwise....but there you are....trying to shoehorn it in.

blatant assumption....For your crusade agenda.
 

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I have no agenda. Yes....its my opinion the o line was not good for anyone. I have never said otherwise....but there you are....trying to shoehorn it in.

blatant assumption....For your crusade agenda
LOL, shoe horn it in....the OL is either bad or its not. but yet you shoe horn in QB performance, ignoring OL as a potential cause, but vehemntly, vigorously defending a very overpaid has been RB and making excuses by pointing fingers at the OL. you can't admit zeke sucked. you blamed everyone, including hey, look over there at Tony. but nah, zeke wasn't a problem. it was everybody else.

pure. simple. zeke sucked.

you are a strange creature. looking more desparate each time.
 

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Keller's last words....."Watch this......I'm gonna kill em with this one."
 

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I rewatched the game earlier. Besides earlier in the game when The offense shuddered, it was the defense that couldn't get stops. Same as always, the run stop in the middle. Plus, were were hurting in the secondary due to injuries. That was the biggest factor that I saw.
Oh, well besides "Fisher Price - My 1st OC" Moore blowing opportunities with nonsense. You can blame one player, like this forum is famous for, or you can clearly see Moore over his head in dicy condictions. That last play should have gotten him kidnapped to never be seen again. Sure our RB didn't execute like a freaking Center would. Hello! Little different at the point of attack. Then to have all your skill players inside, heavies on the outside, lmao. What did anyone expect. You would need a perfect setting to pull that crap off.
But "desperation."
 

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You couldnt have been dead on Correct My Guy !! The exact same way i always interpreted the way it all came down.. MM sould have been giving the opportunity from day 1 of been hired to install his own offense and have full command because it still never made sense to now getting the real results that kellen wasn’t ever the answer but us as fans and how jerry and his son blew MM first 3 years is dead right wrong and now how this year thats coming up in 2023 ans how all the moves have been made Is just the example and the proof that jerry and The Front Office did MM and Dak and also DQ and the Defense a disservice allowing KM to Screw up the whole plan of what it really takes to win!!!
Yep. Kellen was another “Garrett” promotion. A “Jerry Special” where someone unqualified is hired by the “football guy” and forced upon a HC without his full buy in.

Now— in JJ’s defense— this was all made clear to MM before he took the paycheck, but the fact remains— JJ and SJ were wrong about Kellen and should have allowed MM the right to form his own staff.

In short— giving a leader responsibility without express authority will almost always end in disaster.

This is the core issue in Dallas IMO. JJ gives responsibility to a HC but NEVER full authority. So the results continue to be the same bc the buck always stops with Jerral
 

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A Hail Mary from the 40 at best (and that's being generous with six seconds left)? Not going to get there. We most likely were trying to confuse San Fran in hopes of getting a bunch of laterals started. It was obviously a failed effort, but it isn't likely that anything we did there was going to work. I hold a lot against Moore (mainly for relying too much on stuff he learned from Garrett) but this is nitpicking at its finest.
Well ok, maybe not a Hail Mary, but a deep pass to someone who can turn on the jets in space (ahem, Pollard, Lamb, TY) and take it to the house?

Totally agreed on the fact that the whole rest of the game was riddled with problems, but we are just focusing on that last play, and it still seems like a weird call. Why not try something that at least has a chance?
 
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