The Wade Phillips Bandwagon?

[khiladi]

Sensabaugh is here because of special teams coach Joe Decamillis and also Dave Campo. They both coached for the Jaguars and Sensabaugh played there as well. Of course Wade sanctioned it and Jerry pulled the trigger.

Joe Decamillis is Dan Reeves son-in-law and Dan Reeves is Wade's close friend...

 

[Doomsay]

Players have said Wade has them putting in the work it is Wade preaching to this group about coming together as a team, bringing in his guys to help in that process like Brookings and Igor as well as coach DeCamillis. I don't see the other Co HC standing in front of the firing squade after the game, you know why because he is not the HC.

I think it is about as classless and cheap as I have seen to cast blame on Wade for the failures this team has had then not even have the gut to give credit for any success. That is about a low class as anyone can be. This is about your own personal dislike of Wade and your own agenda you have nothing to back up one single thing.

Bringing class into it now are we. What specifically have players said about how Wade is turning things around, I don't see any quotes here. The team is improving and I think that the players seem to have adopted a strong work ethic especially in light of the house cleaning that occurred in the offseason, but I haven't heard about the big changes that Wade personally has made so far.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Right, not interested in what people have done in the past, yet you site Wade's historical record to support your position, even giving him full credit for a former team's record where he was just a DC. As for the evolution concept, I'm not sure what is more evolutionary than turning around 5 different moribund teams in 3 different decades.

That's called a counter argument. As for Parcells success, I agree. He has turned some teams around. Has he won any recently? No, however I think he could have had he not been so stubborn about his ways.

But this is a useless debate because it doesn't concern Parcells. I'd rather argue on Wade's merits, and I think he has plenty to argue on, which is why I posted his historical record as a head coach. And yes, I'm only interested in what he is doing now. If you can't give the guy some credit fine. It just shows your agenda and dislike for him. Some of you are unable to change your minds. If you can't change your mind, are you sure you still have one?

Argue all you want. If you're not going to give Wade any credit fine. I'm sure we won't hear from you if he does have success here. As for me, I'll be around rooting for whoever leads this team. Very seldom do I knock any players or coaches on this team. If that makes me a homer, so be it. I will say I think this year is different from top to bottom. We literally have a chance, particularly if we get a bye.

It's also hard to argue with someone that doesn't see the difference between the Cowboy teams at the beginning of 2003 and 2007, as if Wade the king maker put that 2007 squad together himself. How do you think Mr. Fixit Phillips would have done with the 2003 squad? Or maybe that doesn't matter because we are winning now heading into week 10.

But you can't prove Wade couldn't have done the same thing; you act as if Wade hasn't done anything good here.

I don't even like Parcells personally, but to not give him credit for turning this trainwreck of a program around and to give Wade credit in 2007 for a team that he largely inherited doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'm not talking about 2007. This is a totally different team, and it's now 2009.

 

[Hoofbite]

That is your opinion Jones has not said anything like that and Wade has said nothing close to wanting to step down.

What's there to say when the guy is playing out the last year of his contract?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But this is a useless debate because it doesn't concern Parcells. I'd rather argue on Wade's merits, and I think he has plenty to argue on, which is why I posted his historical record as a head coach.

That's why these threads go on forever, because someone always has to bring Parcells into it. And I don't know why that is, because both guys did, or are doing, the best jobs they can.

I guess like always, it's impossible to credit both guys. It always has to be an either/or thing.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What's there to say when the guy is playing out the last year of his contract?

To be fair, Jerry Jones also promised Jason Garrett the HC job when he hires someone new. That's why Garrett declined the offer to Baltimore to be HC. But this doesn't mean Wade is gone this year. Contracts can be made to say anything. Having said that, it's hard to say whether Wade will be here next year or not. He'd have to really prove himself. So far, I think he's doing that though.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That's why these threads go on forever, because someone always has to bring Parcells into it. And I don't know why that is, because both guys did, or are doing, the best jobs they can.

I guess like always, it's impossible to credit both guys. It always has to be an either/or thing.

Yes sir, the classic 'either or' fallacy. Having to pick between one or the other when there are other options.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's also hard to argue with someone that doesn't see the difference between the Cowboy teams at the beginning of 2003 and 2007, as if Wade the king maker put that 2007 squad together himself. How do you think Mr. Fixit Phillips would have done with the 2003 squad? Or maybe that doesn't matter because we are winning now heading into week 10.

While you're arguing for Parcells, you might want to consider this:

Phillips has a wealth of NFL experience both as a defensive coordinator and head coach. One of his trademarks has been the ability to immediately improve the teams he has worked with from his very first day on the job. The last seven times he has taken over as a head coach or defensive coordinator, his new team has reached the playoffs in his first season. Only once in those seven transitions has Phillips taken over a club that was coming off a winning record. Although he is noted as a very successful and innovative defensive mind, Phillips' teams have produced offensive units that finished the season ranked among the NFL's top 10 in five of his seven full seasons as a head coach.

http://lb.dallascowboys.com/team_coach_bios.cfm?newName=Wade_Phillips

 

[Chief]

What's there to say when the guy is playing out the last year of his contract?

That says a lot.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That says a lot.

About?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If he was hired to be the "HC Period" then Jerry Jones made a mistake. What is far more likely is the dynamic Jones wanted all along--him at the forefront with two strong coordinators. He's been no more the "head coach" than Dave Campo was.

IMO he was hired to maintain what Parcells built, which continued the organizational commitment to the 3-4 defense. He won out over another mediocre candidate in Norv Turner.

If he were the "HC Period" from the first day he was hired, we wouldn't have seen this evidence of two coordinators doing their own thing. We coasted in year one and it all fell apart last season.

It was only this season where Phillips has been able to assert more influence. I think having people like Brooking and DeCamillis on board to back him up is working, whereas before he had to claw through the mire created by Jones when he coddled the likes of Terrell Owens and Pacman Jones. He hasn't done it alone and I am as apt to give credit just as much to what was added and the cultural change that came with it as believe that a postseason-challenged coach has suddenly was able to get through with "his way" all by his lonesome.

It looks like a possible corner has been turned, but I'll have to see a lot more before I start loading him up with credit. He's still operating with a meddling owner and GM who will interject when he sees fit. No head coach, pit bull, marshmallow or otherwise, will be able to succeed easily under that model.

Jones is the GM. All GM's 'interject when he sees fit.'

All coaches deal with it.

 

[Doomsay]

But this is a useless debate because it doesn't concern Parcells. I'd rather argue on Wade's merits,

Kenny, Kenny Kenny it was you that brought up Parcells in the first place with a spurious comparison 3 days ago (see below). Got to keep it straight, like are you going to talk about a coach's history or not talk about it, that kind of basic stuff.

Let's not foget, the legendary HOF-bound Parcells failed to win a Super Bowl here, too. I think we've got a great match with WP as HC. I want him back next year.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Kenny, Kenny Kenny it was you that brought up Parcells in the first place with a spurious comparison 3 days ago (see below). Got to keep it straight, like are you going to talk about a coach's history or not talk about it, that kind of basic stuff.

:laugh2:

You are referring to post 148? The BP arguments had begun way before that one, and so I was arguing against the whole BP is the God who created this team argument we so often see in order to discredit anything positive WP has done.

(FYI, I admit it's a useless debate, referring to my own statement.)

"Basically", you'll have to try harder if you want to conclude I'm off-base within my own argument. Admittedly, the coaches' histories are somewhat relevant especially if you're going to compare your Parcells and Phillips. There are a lot of similarities, yet at the same time there are a lot of things you simply cannot compare. It was a bad analogy on my part, but I don't think you'll back off from making the comparison. It's sort of been the whole crux of your debunked argument. And now you're backpedalling like a 5 year old on a tricycle to avoid the argument at hand. In regards to history and present, Wade is above average in terms of results.

Doomsay, I gotta say, I thought you'd argue the relevant points of the thread rather than try to point out my 'hypocrisy' in your sophomoric argumentative fashion. In other words, give me some substance... the nanny boo boo thing you've got going isn't working for you.

 

[Doomsay]

:laugh2:

You are referring to post 148? The BP arguments had begun way before that one, and so I was arguing against the whole BP is the God who created this team argument we so often see in order to discredit anything positive WP has done.

(FYI, I admit it's a useless debate, referring to my own statement.)

"Basically", you'll have to try harder if you want to conclude I'm off-base within my own argument. Admittedly, the coaches' histories are somewhat relevant especially if you're going to compare your Parcells and Phillips. There are a lot of similarities, yet at the same time there are a lot of things you simply cannot compare. It was a bad analogy on my part, but I don't think you'll back off from making the comparison. It's sort of been the whole crux of your debunked argument. And now you're backpedalling like a 5 year old on a tricycle to avoid the argument at hand. In regards to history and present, Wade is above average in terms of results.

Doomsay, I gotta say, I thought you'd argue the relevant points of the thread rather than try to point out my 'hypocrisy' in your sophomoric argumentative fashion. In other words, give me some substance... the nanny boo boo thing you've got going isn't working for you.

Don't know from "nanny boo boo". Do know that you have contradicted yourself with great frequency and can't tell the difference between building talent and inheriting it, so if it's sophomoric to point that out, I'll plead guilty. No backpedaling necessary when there isn't even a cogent argument to rebuke or challenge.

The team is undeniably playing better, and for me, is more fun to watch than any time over the past couple of seasons. I guess the question is whether the improvement has come in large measure form the malcontent-less players getting their act together with the help of position coaches and a new ST coach, or has Wade himself really whipped this team into shape? I'll choose the former, but I might be wrong, let's see where the accolades and coaching contract renewals fall.

 

[jazzcat22]

I am on the DALLAS COWBOYS bandwagon and have been since the Ice Bowl.
So I support the players and the coaches....and the owners....

Do I like all the decisions, disagree at times, players coaches, no I don't. Or do I think that a few of the cheerleaders, [even though are gorgeous], could have had better ones, yes, but they are still great to look at, and am not complaining at all.

 

[Chief]

About?

It's extremely unusual for an owner to let a coach he plans on keeping reach the final year of his contract.

Jerry's not committed to Wade. He, like the rest of us, will wait and see what happens.

 

[theogt]

It's extremely unusual for an owner to let a coach he plans on keeping reach the final year of his contract.

Jerry's not committed to Wade. He, like the rest of us, will wait and see what happens.

That's because most of them get fired long before their contracts are up.

Believe it or not, only eight coaches in the NFL by my count are currently coaching under an extended contract (Jeff Fisher, Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, John Fox, Marvin Lewis and Jack Del Rio). Several of those might not be in their current jobs next year.

Of those eight coaches, at least half of them (Belichick, Coughlin, Fisher and Del Rio) signed at least one of their extensions during the last year of their previous contract (not including an option year). So, it's only rare because few coaches get extensions. Of those that do, it's not uncommon for the extension to be in their last year of their existing contract.

 

[SDogo]

Never and you have just seen why