The Wade Phillips Bandwagon?

[Alexander]

Agreed...just like blaming Wade for Crayton's drop and Crayton not completing his route vs the Giants is ridiculous as well.

Only an imbecile believes the reason we lost to the Giants is because Crayton dropped that pass. It wasn't even in the endzone. Why there is this perpetual and false assumption that was an automatic touchdown that would have sealed the game simply amazes me to this day.

For that matter balming Romo the QB for losing the Seattle game is wrong too...he did lead them down for the win or tie....just muffed up as a special teamer, not a QB.

Coach Parcells mishandled that gameplan for Seattle about as badly as Romo did the snap. Romo played poorly for a large portion of the game, the defense couldn't stop them even after the muffed snap. It was a bad day all around, but the muff isn't why we lost.

 

[Doomsay]

You can spout all this crap you want in your mind he is not a HC, to the Dallas Cowboys he is the HC and this team success and failure will fall on him that is the reality the rest is nothing more than your own personal bias and belief you have nothing to back up anything you are saying. Jerry hired Wade as HC that is the way it is like it or not.

Wow, angry words, nobody on the outside really knows what's going on internally until the retired players or coaches write their memoirs. Kind of like how our assumptions about the team being on autopilot and winning in spite of Switzer's ineptitude was confirmed by guys like Moose ex post facto. Wade wasn't hired as a head coach, he was brought in as a co-head coach/DC/figurehead so that Garrett, who was hired before him, could be groomed for the top spot IMO.

 

[adbutcher]

Coach Parcells mishandled that gameplan for Seattle about as badly as Romo did the snap. Romo played poorly for a large portion of the game, the defense couldn't stop them even after the muffed snap. It was a bad day all around, but the muff isn't why we lost.

The Seattle game and Tuna's game plan was a travesty. The mere fact that we could not attack their depleted secondary use to keep me up at night. A moron could have game planned better.

 

[Doomsay]

The Seattle game and Tuna's game plan was a travesty. The mere fact that we could not attack their depleted secondary use to keep me up at night. A moron could have game planned better.

Terrible game plan, I don't think that he trusted Romo, but he had to.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow, angry words, nobody on the outside really knows what's going on internally until the retired players or coaches write their memoirs. Kind of like how our assumptions about the team being on autopilot and winning in spite of Switzer's ineptitude was confirmed by guys like Moose ex post facto. Wade wasn't hired as a head coach, he was brought in as a co-head coach/DC/figurehead so that Garrett, who was hired before him, could be groomed for the top spot IMO.

I know what the players have said, Wade is no figure head coach he is not the co head coach he is the HC of the Cowboys period.

If you don't like him fine but he is the HC he is the one who ansewers for what takes place. He is on the firing line and the one who is being held accoutable by the media because he is the HC.

As for Switzer he took over a very talented vet team who had been to the SB back to back this team is no where close to that.

This is a team who has come close but has not been able to close the deal a team who came into the season with more question marks than answers a team who was looked at as nothing but a 3rd place team in the NFC East. So don't even try to use Switzer as an example it is not even in the same ball park.

As for Garrett he was hired ahead of time in large part because Miami said we had to either hire him right then or they could deny us access to him that was the only reason. If Jerry wanted Garrett to be the HC he would have hired him to be the HC. Wade was hired as HC period.

 

[Doomsay]

I know what the players have said, Wade is no figure head coach he is not the co head coach he is the HC of the Cowboys period.

What have the players been saying about Wade over the past 3 seasons exactly?

If you don't like him fine but he is the HC he is the one who ansewers for what takes place. He is on the firing line and the one who is being held accoutable by the media because he is the HC.

Not sure if he is the one that always answers for what takes place when he is forbidden to speak to the media by Jerry on occasion.

As for Switzer he took over a very talented vet team who had been to the SB back to back this team is no where close to that.

The 2007 team, built entirely in the post cap era, this was one of the most talented teams in the league.

If Jerry wanted Garrett to be the HC he would have hired him to be the HC. Wade was hired as HC period.

It's not really that simple, Wade does have the title of HC, I'll give you that.

 

[Doomsday101]

What have the players been saying about Wade over the past 3 seasons exactly?

Not sure if he is the one that always answers for what takes place when he is forbidden to speak to the media by Jerry on occasion.



The 2007 team, built entirely in the post cap era, this was one of the most talented teams in the league.

It's not really that simple, Wade does have the title of HC, I'll give you that.

Players have said Wade has them putting in the work it is Wade preaching to this group about coming together as a team, bringing in his guys to help in that process like Brookings and Igor as well as coach DeCamillis. I don't see the other Co HC standing in front of the firing squade after the game, you know why because he is not the HC.

I think it is about as classless and cheap as I have seen to cast blame on Wade for the failures this team has had then not even have the gut to give credit for any success. That is about a low class as anyone can be. This is about your own personal dislike of Wade and your own agenda you have nothing to back up one single thing.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Blaming Parcells for Romo's muffed hold is what is ridiculous. Not recognizing what Parcells built vs. what Wade inherited is ridiculous. If you can't see the difference between taking the 2003 team to the playoffs and Wade riding the wave of the 2007 team that he inherited, then I'm not sure that there is much to discuss on the subject.

That's not ridiculous. Parcells never should have had Romo even thinking about holding the ball. He was his starting quarterback. He yanked Bledsoe, his man crush, and started Romo because he felt it was a better choice for the team. I give him credit for that, as I was calling for Romo to start too. But to say Wade inherited Parcells team doesn't get you anywhere. Parcells didn't do anything, at least if you're comparing his accomplishments by the so-called "realist" perspective.

Wade coached this team team to a better record and lost in the playoffs just the same. If Wade inherited the "same" team, then he accomplished more with it. Yet, again, it's not the same team, same schedule or even the same year. To imply that is ridiculous.

As I said before, I'm not a huge Parcells gameday coaching fan, but to suggest that Wade is superior to the guy that has 2 rings, brought 2 teams to 3 Superbowls, brought the 4-28 Jets to the AFC Championship game, the 15-33 Cowboys to a playoff game and managed the 1-15 Dolphins to win the AFC East in his first year is.... ridiculous.

I said I like him coaching the Cowboys in 2009 better than Parcells. I'm not as interested in what people have done in the past as much as I am in what they are doing now. Right now, Wade has us 1st in the NFC east and competing in an evolving league. Parcells didn't seem to get the concept of evolve.

How's he doing now? Miami lost its starting QB at the beginning of the season, you tell me, seems like he did a good job last year, I think that it was kind of a record turnaround thing.

Should we throw a Parcells party? He's not even here anymore. Personally, I don't want him here either.

If I recall correctly Wade wasn't the HC at San Diego, in fact they had an opportunity to keep him, but ah... In his other rodeos where he was the head wrangler, his teams' performances always diminished over his tenure, and he lost every playoff game.

He was the interim head coach and had a 13-3 record during his last year with the Chargers.

Also...

In his seven plus years as a head coach, Phillips has produced a 70-49 regular season record and has guided his teams to four playoff appearances. He has had only one non-winning season as a head coach. His .588 career winning percentage in the regular season is third-best among active NFL head coaches with five-or-more years of head coaching experience entering the 2009 season. He trails only Bill Belichick (.616) and Andy Reid (.609) on the list of winningest active NFL head coaches.

http://lb.dallascowboys.com/team_coach_bios.cfm?newName=Wade_Phillips

The players and other coaches are currently putting together a winning effort despite Wade's failures as a head coach and leader. I think that Wade is a decent coordinator and he'll probably get another DC gig somewhere else, but he will never be a head coach on any other team IMO.

Failure?

He's 22-10 as our head coach? You call that fail?

 

[khiladi]

Our secondary has become ridiculously stacked because of Wade...Our special teams coach is here because of Wade...Brooking is a Wade guy....Ratliff became a NT under Wade... Sensabaugh may be the piece of the puzzle for our safety position because of Wade...

 

[Cowboysfan570]

I'm on the Wade Phillips bandwagon and have been since his first year as HC here. He does a much better job than most people give him credit for and has for some time.

In his first year here he matched the best season record the Cowboys have ever had at 13-3. Next year didn't go nearly as well, but it had a ton of things going against us too.

1. He got a good team from Tuna and got them to a great record.
2. He got a say in these great drafts we've had of late as well.
3. He didn't get the performance from Brian Stewart he was wanting so he took over and had an injury riddled D playing lights out for most of the last half of 08.
4. He took over full time as DC this year and brought in guys who are really contributing now (Keith Brooking, Igor Olshansky, Gerald Sensabaugh).
5. He didn't get the performance he was expecting at the beginning of the year from this D and made adjustments. Now we're the top scoring D in the NFC and have almost a sack a quarter and 2 turnovers a game over the last four.
6. Hes been holding guys more accountable now that JJ is allowing it.

Is Phillips the best coach ever in the NFL? Heck no, but IMO hes the best coach for the Cowboys right now. He has given his players respect and has gotten great performance out of them in return, even if he hasn't won a playoff game yet.

Player after player has given Wade credit for making them better and I believe it, because if you look at how much our D in particular has improved since hes been here, he really has been Mr. Fix-It.

Who in their right minds would have predicted that we would be seeing almost no dropoff at nickle LB with Carpenter there? Who would have thought that Jenkins and Newman would be hitting as hard as they are right now? Heck, who would have predicted how many sacks we had last year? The guy has almost entirely eliminated big plays against us and has gotten us to where we're creating as much pressure as anyone. I'm impressed, even if few others are.

 

[sonnyboy]

Only an imbecile believes the reason we lost to the Giants is because Crayton dropped that pass. It wasn't even in the endzone. Why there is this perpetual and false assumption that was an automatic touchdown that would have sealed the game simply amazes me to this day.



Coach Parcells mishandled that gameplan for Seattle about as badly as Romo did the snap. Romo played poorly for a large portion of the game, the defense couldn't stop them even after the muffed snap. It was a bad day all around, but the muff isn't why we lost.

I'm one of those imbeciles. We believe it because of how the game played out prior to and after that point.
It wouldn't have gone for a TD. But probably would've put us in or close to FG range.
But scoring on that drive wasn't so critical. Not giving the Giants a short field was. After that drop, we're kicking from our Goal Line and the giants get a nice PR to our 35. They move in for a TD and 4 point lead.

They had very few yards and I believe not one first down outside of that drive for the 2nd half.

If you go back and look at the whole game, you just get the feel our defense was really in control.
They get the missed tackle and long TD from old man Toomer to start the game.
Then no offense til we go prevent with a min to half and get another TD.

They get the final TD on a 35 yard drive.

Crayton makes that ketch and we go up 6 on them and I believe they never get the lead again.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm on the Wade Phillips bandwagon and have been since his first year as HC here. He does a much better job than most people give him credit for and has for some time.

In his first year here he matched the best season record the Cowboys have ever had at 13-3. Next year didn't go nearly as well, but it had a ton of things going against us too.

1. He got a good team from Tuna and got them to a great record.
2. He got a say in these great drafts we've had of late as well.
3. He didn't get the performance from Brian Stewart he was wanting so he took over and had an injury riddled D playing lights out for most of the last half of 08.
4. He took over full time as DC this year and brought in guys who are really contributing now (Keith Brooking, Igor Olshansky, Gerald Sensabaugh).
5. He didn't get the performance he was expecting at the beginning of the year from this D and made adjustments. Now we're the top scoring D in the NFC and have almost a sack a quarter and 2 turnovers a game over the last four.
6. Hes been holding guys more accountable now that JJ is allowing it.

Is Phillips the best coach ever in the NFL? Heck no, but IMO hes the best coach for the Cowboys right now. He has given his players respect and has gotten great performance out of them in return, even if he hasn't won a playoff game yet.

Player after player has given Wade credit for making them better and I believe it, because if you look at how much our D in particular has improved since hes been here, he really has been Mr. Fix-It.

Who in their right minds would have predicted that we would be seeing almost no dropoff at nickle LB with Carpenter there? Who would have thought that Jenkins and Newman would be hitting as hard as they are right now? Heck, who would have predicted how many sacks we had last year? The guy has almost entirely eliminated big plays against us and has gotten us to where we're creating as much pressure as anyone. I'm impressed, even if few others are.

Excellent post.

:clap2:

 

[DFWJC]

Only an imbecile believes the reason we lost to the Giants is because Crayton dropped that pass. It wasn't even in the endzone. Why there is this perpetual and false assumption that was an automatic touchdown that would have sealed the game simply amazes me to this day.



Coach Parcells mishandled that gameplan for Seattle about as badly as Romo did the snap. Romo played poorly for a large portion of the game, the defense couldn't stop them even after the muffed snap. It was a bad day all around, but the muff isn't why we lost.

now now...let's not get testy. I hope you just didn't try to call me an imbelcile. That would be a new one for sure.
Anyway...I think (know) you understand my point here...a single play one way or the other determined by the execution of players on the field does not define the full, long term value of a head coach.

 

[Doomsay]

I said I like him coaching the Cowboys in 2009 better than Parcells. I'm not as interested in what people have done in the past as much as I am in what they are doing now. Right now, Wade has us 1st in the NFC east and competing in an evolving league. Parcells didn't seem to get the concept of evolve.

Right, not interested in what people have done in the past, yet you site Wade's historical record to support your position, even giving him full credit for a former team's record where he was just a DC. As for the evolution concept, I'm not sure what is more evolutionary than turning around 5 different moribund teams in 3 different decades.

It's also hard to argue with someone that doesn't see the difference between the Cowboy teams at the beginning of 2003 and 2007, as if Wade the king maker put that 2007 squad together himself. How do you think Mr. Fixit Phillips would have done with the 2003 squad? Or maybe that doesn't matter because we are winning now heading into week 10.

I don't even like Parcells personally, but to not give him credit for turning this trainwreck of a program around and to give Wade credit in 2007 for a team that he largely inherited doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Wades winless playoff streak ends this year.

 

[Big D]

Wades winless playoff streak ends this year.

Agreed. I'm in.

 

[cowboyed]

Our secondary has become ridiculously stacked because of Wade...Our special teams coach is here because of Wade...Brooking is a Wade guy....Ratliff became a NT under Wade... Sensabaugh may be the piece of the puzzle for our safety position because of Wade...

Sensabaugh is here because of special teams coach Joe Decamillis and also Dave Campo. They both coached for the Jaguars and Sensabaugh played there as well. Of course Wade sanctioned it and Jerry pulled the trigger.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It's gotten real simple for me. If Phillips can take this team to at least a Division Championship, he's earned his worth.

If he can't, he's just what I thought he was. That is all.

 

[Alexander]

As for Garrett he was hired ahead of time in large part because Miami said we had to either hire him right then or they could deny us access to him that was the only reason. If Jerry wanted Garrett to be the HC he would have hired him to be the HC. Wade was hired as HC period.

If he was hired to be the "HC Period" then Jerry Jones made a mistake. What is far more likely is the dynamic Jones wanted all along--him at the forefront with two strong coordinators. He's been no more the "head coach" than Dave Campo was.

IMO he was hired to maintain what Parcells built, which continued the organizational commitment to the 3-4 defense. He won out over another mediocre candidate in Norv Turner.

If he were the "HC Period" from the first day he was hired, we wouldn't have seen this evidence of two coordinators doing their own thing. We coasted in year one and it all fell apart last season.

It was only this season where Phillips has been able to assert more influence. I think having people like Brooking and DeCamillis on board to back him up is working, whereas before he had to claw through the mire created by Jones when he coddled the likes of Terrell Owens and Pacman Jones. He hasn't done it alone and I am as apt to give credit just as much to what was added and the cultural change that came with it as believe that a postseason-challenged coach has suddenly was able to get through with "his way" all by his lonesome.

It looks like a possible corner has been turned, but I'll have to see a lot more before I start loading him up with credit. He's still operating with a meddling owner and GM who will interject when he sees fit. No head coach, pit bull, marshmallow or otherwise, will be able to succeed easily under that model.

 

[Alexander]

I'm one of those imbeciles.

I am very sorry to hear this.

If you go back and look at the whole game, you just get the feel our defense was really in control.

It was really in control at the end of the half and when we allowed the winning score? What kind of control is that?

Then no offense til we go prevent with a min to half and get another TD.

And who was responsible for that decision?