The Walking Dead (S5) - 2nd half of season thread ***Spoilers***

[MichaelWinicki]

maybe. but if daryl goes, he will take a lot of fans with him. i get that we get to know these characters and dying is a fact of live in this world. i get that. but to spend so much time and effort to develop a character than throw away the death? i'm sure people disagree with me but beths death was a throw away. then to turn around and kill another? geez, the dude went outside to protect the baby and with his bare hands kills what, a dozen zombies?

yet some punk kid locked in a room somehow gets out and bites him in the arm.

ok, i'll still go with it cause the entire episode was just bizarre and like a 60s mushroom trip, or so i'm told. but it did in some fashion make a connection between living and dying and that was something worth telling.

it's getting to the point where the writers can't write a story anymore, just action scenes and killing off characters.

I look at it from the opposite direction.

I thought Beth's character (while not real high on the totem pole) was developed better than the Tyreese character. Maybe because she was on the show longer.

The Tyreese character was clunky from the get-go. The intro of the character was handled badly. I thought the whole Tyreese to Woodbury was weak. By far the best part of the character was the single episode with Carole, Judith and the two little girls. But other than that? One of the most disposable characters on the show, which of course wasn't the character's fault. It's how it was written.

 

[DanteEXT]

maybe. but if daryl goes, he will take a lot of fans with him. i get that we get to know these characters and dying is a fact of live in this world. i get that. but to spend so much time and effort to develop a character than throw away the death? i'm sure people disagree with me but beths death was a throw away. then to turn around and kill another? geez, the dude went outside to protect the baby and with his bare hands kills what, a dozen zombies?

yet some punk kid locked in a room somehow gets out and bites him in the arm.

ok, i'll still go with it cause the entire episode was just bizarre and like a 60s mushroom trip, or so i'm told. but it did in some fashion make a connection between living and dying and that was something worth telling.

it's getting to the point where the writers can't write a story anymore, just action scenes and killing off characters.

Seems the ladies love them some Daryl. And I agree, kill Daryl, ratings will take a hit.

 

[iceberg]

I look at it from the opposite direction.

I thought Beth's character (while not real high on the totem pole) was developed better than the Tyreese character. Maybe because she was on the show longer.

The Tyreese character was clunky from the get-go. The intro of the character was handled badly. I thought the whole Tyreese to Woodbury was weak. By far the best part of the character was the single episode with Carole, Judith and the two little girls. But other than that? One of the most disposable characters on the show, which of course wasn't the character's fault. It's how it was written.

i won't argue that beth was better developed. I will argue that the development was wasted on the way they killed her. it seems more of "let's put names in a hat and see who gets killed" THEN they'll write a quick story.

tyree had a jeckyl / hyde persona that they could have played off. piss off the nice guy enough and put him in the proper moral situation, he'll slay a dozen zombies with his bare hands to save a baby. I would have LOVE to have seen how he kicked the zombie hiney in that scenario. so he *did* go to extremes, they just hid them.

in the end, if they can kill Hershel, they can kill anyone. just the more they kill the less I tend to care cause it's now a killfest, not a post-apocalyptic survival situation. maybe that would be a killfest. dunno but it's getting to be the same thing to me.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

i won't argue that beth was better developed. I will argue that the development was wasted on the way they killed her. it seems more of "let's put names in a hat and see who gets killed" THEN they'll write a quick story.

tyree had a jeckyl / hyde persona that they could have played off. piss off the nice guy enough and put him in the proper moral situation, he'll slay a dozen zombies with his bare hands to save a baby. I would have LOVE to have seen how he kicked the zombie hiney in that scenario. so he *did* go to extremes, they just hid them.

in the end, if they can kill Hershel, they can kill anyone. just the more they kill the less I tend to care cause it's now a killfest, not a post-apocalyptic survival situation. maybe that would be a killfest. dunno but it's getting to be the same thing to me.

Oh I agree on the killing of Beth.

The entire hospital/cop arc could have been much better played... No one there was developed enough to care about.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Oh I agree on the killing of Beth.

The entire hospital/cop arc could have been much better played... No one there was developed enough to care about.

Yeah that was my main problem with it. It was a waste of half of a season. None of the characters they spent so much time developing in those episodes are around anymore.

 

[Idgit]

Yeah that was my main problem with it. It was a waste of half of a season. None of the characters they spent so much time developing in those episodes are around anymore.

At this point, they're just taking us on a tour of how other communities managed to survive, looking at all the unpleasant alternatives. The show lost a lot of momentum at the end of last season. It's going to need to work hard to get it back.

 

[theogt]

The way the show kills off characters is just poorly done. There's a good way to do it (Game of Thrones), which is shocking but still serves the purpose of the plot, and there's the bad way to do it (The Walking Dead), which just appears meaningless and blatant drama-whoring. The writers of TWD have shown they can do it right (the little girls that were with Tyrese and Carol), but they just get lazy at times it seems.

 

[jrumann59]

I look at it from the opposite direction.

I thought Beth's character (while not real high on the totem pole) was developed better than the Tyreese character. Maybe because she was on the show longer.

The Tyreese character was clunky from the get-go. The intro of the character was handled badly. I thought the whole Tyreese to Woodbury was weak. By far the best part of the character was the single episode with Carole, Judith and the two little girls. But other than that? One of the most disposable characters on the show, which of course wasn't the character's fault. It's how it was written.

Tyrese in the comic books was much stronger, he battled with rick and they actually have a fist fight, he was not really a gentle giant so to speak.

 

[jrumann59]

The way the show kills off characters is just poorly done. There's a good way to do it (Game of Thrones), which is shocking but still serves the purpose of the plot, and there's the bad way to do it (The Walking Dead), which just appears meaningless and blatant drama-whoring. The writers of TWD have shown they can do it right (the little girls that were with Tyrese and Carol), but they just get lazy at times it seems.

In the comics characters die mostly due to stupidity, wander off by themselves in huff etc. If you think about it the episode shows you cannot keep your guard up forever, call it battle fatigue or whatever but eventually you need a break and I think that is what the episode tried to show.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Tyrese in the comic books was much stronger, he battled with rick and they actually have a fist fight, he was not really a gentle giant so to speak.

Oh I know. I've read it. And that's why some (the comic book devotees) are irked at the Daryl character, because they feel his character "cheated" the TV show characterization of Tyreese.

 

[Stash]

Loved seeing the Governor back for a cameo anyway. He's been my favorite character of the series so far. Nice to see David Morrissey back.

But I'm already tired of the Noah character and would like to see someone put a bullet in him. In two episodes, he's been involved with the deaths of two long-time characters. It would be insulting if he's not 'called on the carpet' for his role in getting Tyreese killed.

 

[Aikmaniac]

Has anyone played the video game of the Walking Dead? Just downloaded the first season on XB1 last night. Extremely interesting as it gives you liberty of deciding on the story will go.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Loved seeing the Governor back for a cameo anyway. He's been my favorite character of the series so far. Nice to see David Morrissey back.

But I'm already tired of the Noah character and would like to see someone put a bullet in him. In two episodes, he's been involved with the deaths of two long-time characters. It would be insulting if he's not 'called on the carpet' for his role in getting Tyreese killed.

Agreed, while I thought the "governor" arc lasted way too long, I did enjoy seeing him back.

Yeah, Noah has become a "Jonah". It will be interesting to see if the Noah character is called out at all over the death... Even though the Tyreese character was very sloppy as he went through the house.

One thing that's bugging already about the next show is the that the group is supposedly out of water/food (or that's how it's being portrayed) but if they're like 60 miles south/southwest from DC, there's one river after another that flows towards the Chesapeake Bay... Theoretically there should be water. And heck 60 miles from Washington, you start coming across one bed-room community after another that feeds DC.

 

[Stash]

Agreed, while I thought the "governor" arc lasted way too long, I did enjoy seeing him back.

Yeah, Noah has become a "Jonah". It will be interesting to see if the Noah character is called out at all over the death... Even though the Tyreese character was very sloppy as he went through the house.

One thing that's bugging already about the next show is the that the group is supposedly out of water/food (or that's how it's being portrayed) but if they're like 60 miles south/southwest from DC, there's one river after another that flows towards the Chesapeake Bay... Theoretically there should be water. And heck 60 miles from Washington, you start coming across one bed-room community after another that feeds DC.

I still have trouble believing that they would have left that hospital so quickly. A secure, clean, concrete building with electricity looks very appealing. With the people causing the issues gone, it seemed like a nice place to settle into.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I still have trouble believing that they would have left that hospital so quickly. A secure, clean, concrete building with electricity looks very appealing. With the people causing the issues gone, it seemed like a nice place to settle into.

A very good point.

They would have had access to cars, more firepower and would have been able to plunder Atlanta until the cows came home.

And in the grand scheme of things, sooner or later the undead will lose their mobility as what's left of their mobility as their joints and muscle deteriorate.

 

[iceberg]

I still have trouble believing that they would have left that hospital so quickly. A secure, clean, concrete building with electricity looks very appealing. With the people causing the issues gone, it seemed like a nice place to settle into.

that i think was rick just being full of spite. they just killed beth, how can we stay here? but i would agree, it had everything they were after and a proven history of being able to get by. if they were able to "take this over" it would have made more sense than to leave it behind.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I read in another forum how several TWD fans thought the Tyreese-character was compromised a great deal in the TV show, from what he was in the graphic novel due to the Daryl-character. Where in the comic Tyreese was Rick's right-hand man, in the TV show, he was basically a big wuss who never really interacted much with Rick– other than in the aftermath of the killing and burning of Karen.

I will say I don't think the TV character was developed as deeply as they could have. Many felt very bad about his character dying, but to me the only reason it had much of a meaning was the apparition part of it. Other than that, I thought Beth's passing was much more impactful.

One other thing, the scene with Tyreese in the car and he finds himself riding with those that had previously past, it reminded me of the excellent "Sopranos" episode where Tony finds himself riding in a Caddy with those that had died.

They did sacrifice the Tyreese character for Daryl. Everything Daryl has been in the show to Rick is basically what Ty was to him in the comics prior to his death. They didn't make him nearly as important to the group, let alone Rick, in the TV show as he was in the comic.

I still thought his death was more than Beth though because Beth has always just been a nothing character on the show to me. She's always just been one of those people whose just there. Oh Beth is in this scene? Huh. I forgot she was even in this show.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Can someone explain to me all the Daryl love(outside of the overused strong but heart of gold) to me?
I just don't see it.....

 

[DanteEXT]

Can someone explain to me all the Daryl love(outside of the overused strong but heart of gold) to me?
I just don't see it.....

The ladies love a bad boy ... or so I am told.

 

[speedkilz88]

I didn't like the episode. I don't have a problem with him dying. But with how they set it all up.

If I am Rick (in charge) and I'm taking the kid to his gated community and I split up the group just in case like they did. Tyreese is one of the last people I want to take if I think there might be trouble. I would rather leave him taking care of Judith which he has done in the past. Daryl and Carol would be people I would want to take with me . Along with Michonne who did go. Abraham, Sasha, and Maggie would be good choices too. I also keep Glenn and Maggie together. To me it's just odd to split up couples.

Once there I don't leave anyone, let alone Tyreese with a kid who has little or not very good experience with the dead. Especially on how to clear out a house. And knowing the kid is emotional and is not thinking clearly. Tyreese once there at the house should have been directing the kid to help him clear the house or stayed in the main room watching the hall. Tyreese's actions were just dumb and reminds me of horror films where the kids who are getting killed do the dumbest things. Seen the Geico commercial?

I would prefer that they ran into a situation where there just were too many or if he had to sacrifice himself to save others or Judith. Or to lose him and others in a very bloody encounter with Negan although it appears that may take awhile.