The Wheat hit

[BleedSilverandBlue]

I mean they are going to call it every time whether it was technically legal or not when the point of contact is that high.

Right on the money. Especially considering that he launched himself off the ground into Fields to make the hit. The ball had also left his hand for a tick before contact was made.

Despite how awesome it was, they simply don’t allow that type of play in the NFL anymore. It will draw a flag 100/100 times.

 

[nate dizzle]

Most on here would love our QB to be hit like that. Then would stand up for the refs if it was not called.

Most is a bit of hyperbole. Like I could say most on here think Dallas has never been guilty of committing any penalty and every call against us is a league wide conspiracy.

 

[rambo2]

Right on the money. Especially considering that he launched himself off the ground into Fields to make the hit. The ball had also left his hand for a tick before contact was made.

Despite how awesome it was, they simply don’t allow that type of play in the NFL anymore. It will draw a flag 100/100 times.

No, it won't, because it wasn't a penalty.

 

[Kevinicus]

The Steelers had a man illegally downfield when they scored the td in the 4 th quarter that was not called

The Steelers had plenty of calls go their way. This one was still correct.

 

[superonyx]

ARTICLE 9. PLAYERS IN A DEFENSELESS POSTURE. It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player​

who is in a defenseless posture. A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an​

illegal act. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against an opponent, even if his body position is in motion, and​

irrespective of any acts by him, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact.​

(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:​

(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass (passing posture).​

.​

.​

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is listed below. However, these provisions do not prohibit​

incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent:​

(1) forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the​

initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle​

the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him;​

I mean, pretty textbook. Penalty all day.

The problem is with that definition every single time any QB throws the ball and there is contact after he throws it we need to call a penalty. I guess if you want to argue textbook then you would need make the same argument every time a QB gets hit after throwing. The textbook definition is built in with so much discretion. Thats the issue. If Dak takes the contact I guess its not unnecessary. If Mahomes does then it is. The rule is written to purposely cover every single hit a QB takes and has so much ref discretion built in. So fans who don't agree are not disagreeing with the textbook part. They are disagreeing with the refs lack of discretion.

 

[nalam]

The Steelers had a man illegally downfield when they scored the td in the 4 th quarter that was not called

Many observed , even the commentrators talked about.. but no call

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

No, it won't, because it wasn't a penalty.

Every week all over the league roughing the passer is consistently called for less than that.

By the book it shouldn’t be, but oftentimes even hitting the QB after the ball is released with any degree of violence will draw a reaction flag.

It’s just how the league is now. If a defensive end launches himself into a decleating hit on a QB after the ball has left his hand, they are calling it regardless of whether or not it is in the head or neck area nearly every time.

 

[MarcusRock]

The problem is with that definition every single time any QB throws the ball and there is contact after he throws it we need to call a penalty. I guess if you want to argue textbook then you would need make the same argument every time a QB gets hit after throwing. The textbook definition is built in with so much discretion. Thats the issue. If Dak takes the contact I guess its not unnecessary. If Mahomes does then it is. The rule is written to purposely cover every single hit a QB takes and has so much ref discretion built in. So fans who don't agree are not disagreeing with the textbook part. They are disagreeing with the refs lack of discretion.

The rule is not hazy. A ref has to judge, yes but QB defenseless posture is clearly defined. Check. Forcible contact. Check. Hit the guy in the head or neck area with any part of your own upper body, even if the contact is below the neck. Check. Trying to make it about inconsistency elsewhere doesn't take away that it's a penalty here which is why that's even being brought up. The ol' "I have seen different" defense, lol. But this is a penalty right here, isn't it?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I thought so as well, but you can see the helmet to helmet contact in one of the replay angles.

And the fact that he launched himself add up to a flag

 

[superonyx]

The rule is not hazy. A ref has to judge, yes but QB defenseless posture is clearly defined. Check. Forcible contact. Check. Hit the guy in the head or neck area with any part of your own upper body, even if the contact is below the neck. Check. Trying to make it about inconsistency elsewhere doesn't take away that it's a penalty here which is why that's even being brought up. The ol' "I have seen different" defense, lol. But this is a penalty right here, isn't it?

So nothing you said refuted what I said and nothing I said refuted by rule its a penalty just as I said the first time. But you know that. You just felt the need to respond and restate the part we already agreed on in a way to make it seem we didn't agree.

As I said the people who are not ok with that being called are mostly not people who are disputing the rule. They are disputing the refs choice not to take the parts where his judgement is needed and use it to make a better judgement.

The rulebook is purposely written to allow the ref to make the judgement call. So you are arguing with yourself about that. Just as many holding calls were actually holding by the rulebook written the way it was. But we all know refs will use their judgement to determine the severity level before throwing the flag. If we just want to play rulebook almost every play would have a flag or multiple.

 

[Reid1boys]

In the NFL today, any violent hit on the QB gets called, which is bogus.

No part of that was a penalty by rule.

yep... not sure what anyone was looking at. He didnt hit his chin, didnt go helmet to helmet. The penalty he committed was he hit the QB too hard. Thats it.

 

[MarcusRock]

So nothing you said refuted what I said and nothing I said refuted by rule its a penalty just as I said the first time. But you know that. You just felt the need to respond and restate the part we already agreed on in a way to make it seem we didn't agree.

As I said the people who are not ok with that being called are mostly not people who are disputing the rule. They are disputing the refs choice not to take the parts where his judgement is needed and use it to make a better judgement.

The rulebook is purposely written to allow the ref to make the judgement call. So you are arguing with yourself about that. Just as many holding calls were actually holding by the rulebook written the way it was. But we all know refs will use their judgement to determine the severity level before throwing the flag. If we just want to play rulebook almost every play would have a flag or multiple.

Not even sure what you're looking for besides trying to muddy the waters around a clear foul. If you agree this is a foul (which you didn't actually say) then what of this "Dak never gets this call, Mahomes always gets it" 'spiracy talk? Every call has its own story. The subject of this thread has video and the rules that spell it out plainly (y'all are welcome). This one is so textbook it's as good as a false start judgement. Are you saying there should be no judgements since the rulebook was "purposely written" for judgement calls? How do you determine any penalty without judgements? Is a computer going to make all the calls to say 150 lbs. of pressure is a forcible hit but 149.4 lbs. is not? You're trying to inject "the system is crooked/broken" into a discussion about a clear penalty that doesn't favor the team. Not seen that tactic before. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

 

[DogFace]

I thought so as well, but you can see the helmet to helmet contact in one of the replay angles.

Yea. I know. What I don’t get is because of the size of helmets and facemasks it seems that any time you use your shoulder or the tackler isn’t bent down the helmets likely will collide some.

 

[Jipper]

ARTICLE 9. PLAYERS IN A DEFENSELESS POSTURE. It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player​

who is in a defenseless posture. A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an​

illegal act. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against an opponent, even if his body position is in motion, and​

irrespective of any acts by him, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact.​

(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:​

(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass (passing posture).​

.​

.​

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is listed below. However, these provisions do not prohibit​

incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent:​

(1) forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the​

initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle​

the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him;​

I mean, pretty textbook. Penalty all day.

Hate to have to agree but that was a textbook a call as possible, clearly under the chin...this is today's nfl

 

[superonyx]

Not even sure what you're looking for besides trying to muddy the waters around a clear foul. If you agree this is a foul (which you didn't actually say) then what of this "Dak never gets this call, Mahomes always gets it" 'spiracy talk? Every call has its own story. The subject of this thread has video and the rules that spell it out plainly (y'all are welcome). This one is so textbook it's as good as a false start judgement. Are you saying there should be no judgements since the rulebook was "purposely written" for judgement calls? How do you determine any penalty without judgements? Is a computer going to make all the calls to say 150 lbs. of pressure is a forcible hit but 149.4 lbs. is not? You're trying to inject "the system is crooked/broken" into a discussion about a clear penalty that doesn't favor the team. Not seen that tactic before. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Its clear enough that at this point you either can't comprehend my point or are willfully ignorant. Either way I don't care enough about stranger on the internet to post again. Life is too short.

 

[Davidlee1973]

And the fact that he launched himself add up to a flag

He did not launch himself. If you watch clearly he tried to pull up and turned his head

 

[Davidlee1973]

Time to stop treating these qb’s like babies. They have become wieners. They are on the field of play. They know the game. They deserve to get hit like everyone else

 

[Typhus]

I will gladly take the roughing the passer call if you can really slobber knock the QB, it has to be worth it though.

 

[PurpleHaze22]

Completely legal even by the defenseless posture rules I posted above?

Legal or not. I'm sure this hit affected him for the rest of the game.

 

[Stak78]

I didn’t really have a problem with the Wheat call. I was more upset with the 15 yard penalty on Hoffman. Then Jourdan Lewis gets mugged and driven to the ground after the play and the refs swallow their whistles.