The Zeke Hysteria

[visionary]

It's all fun and games to us.
To them it's business.
No need to sweat, unless you attach your ego, or money.
Especially money.
This will play out and then we'll go on to attacking...
Well, there's always someone to attack, yes?

Corso, what is up with this mature attitude, buddy?
I expect better from you

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Last time you played, you beat him 36-35 with Zeke. Before that 20-13 in the other 2018 matchup. 1 score games. Zeke isn't worth 1 possession?

If you knew the subject, you'd know Zeke didn't play in our win in week 17.

No he's worth 7 points. Are you serious!?!?! Lmao.

Elite QBs don't even get 7 points in Vegas. Wow.

 

[Rockport]

He needs 4 years, and he has a 5 year deal. It's an irrelevant point

He won’t get that year if he holds out past Aug. 6th so you’re absolutely wrong. Give it up.

 

[Corso]

Corso, what is up with this mature attitude, buddy?
I expect better from you

I know... I'm slipping!

 

[visionary]

It has nothing to do about “caving”. Zeke’s not going to hold out past August 6th or he loses a year of free agency years. They may not come to terms by then, but Zeke will show up by then and a contract will get done.

No surprise that ‘someone ‘ has not been paying attention to the facts

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

He won’t get that year if he holds out past Aug. 6th so you’re absolutely wrong. Give it up.

5-1 = 4. He can lose a year and have no problem hitting free agency at the end of his contract. Plus he absolutely, 100% does not lose free agency eligibility if he didn't have 4 years. I don't know where you're getting your info, but it sounds like you're playing telephone with other people who kind of know the rule.

 

[Rockport]

No surprise that ‘someone ‘ has not been paying attention to the facts

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

If you knew the subject, you'd know Zeke didn't play in our win in week 17.

No he's worth 7 points. Are you serious!?!?! Lmao.

Elite QBs don't even get 7 points in Vegas. Wow.

of course they do. You feel the point spread doesn't swing by 7 points if Aaron rodgers does or doesnt play?

 

[Rockport]

5-1 = 4. He can lose a year and have no problem hitting free agency at the end of his contract. Plus he absolutely, 100% does not lose free agency eligibility if he didn't have 4 years. I don't know where you're getting your info, but it sounds like you're playing telephone with other people who kind of know the rule.

If Elliott does not arrive in Oxnard by Aug. 6 – which is 30 days before the Cowboys first game against the Giants – that means this year will not count as one of his four seasons of service, even if he shows up later in the month and plays all 16 regular season games.

Zeke only has three years of service. So if he holds out this summer, that means – if he's still seeking a new contract next summer, he will not be able to hold out then – or he will lose free agency.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/The-Date-to-Know-in-the-Zeke-Holdout-513265031.html

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

If Elliott does not arrive in Oxnard by Aug. 6 – which is 30 days before the Cowboys first game against the Giants – that means this year will not count as one of his four seasons of service, even if he shows up later in the month and plays all 16 regular season games.

Zeke only has three years of service. So if he holds out this summer, that means – if he's still seeking a new contract next summer, he will not be able to hold out then – or he will lose free agency.

Wrong. He loses UNRESTRICTED free agency. This means he becomes a restricted free agent after his fifth year. He is still, absolutely a free agent. He may negotiate with anyone he wants. Dallas has 2 benefits of this. Firstly, they can match any contract someone gives him. He is getting a record breaking deal from this, whether dallas matches it or not. Teams would be bidding against each other like mad, never has a RB this great hit the market this young. Secondly, they can tender a pick to him. The highest possible draft pick they can tender to Zeke is a first rounder, you cannot tender multiple picks to a restricted free agent.

Therefore, the only possible way Zeke is screwed out of this arrangement if he holds out of each of the next 2 training camps is if there isn't a single team in the NFL that feels a historically great RB, not even in the prime of his career yet, is not worth trading a 1 for. All 31 teams would have the opportunity for that deal. For 25 year old Zeke? You and I both know bad teams would be lining up to hand Dallas a 1 for him. So grats on the draft pick, but Zeke isn't going to have a problem holding out past the 6th.

Besides, this is doubly moot because unless relationships completely erode, you're liking franchising him after year 5 anyway and he'll get what he wants, or you'll try and trade him.

 

[cern]

I see no reason to believe Stephen is going to be accommodating in negotiations with Zeke. His job is to do what is best for the team, not what is necessarily best for zeke. I still think signing 2 of the big 3 will be a coup.

 

[Melonfeud]

It has nothing to do about “caving”. Zeke’s not going to hold out past August 6th or he loses a year of free agency years. They may not come to terms by then, but Zeke will show up by then and a contract will get done.

So, just what is this mysterious
" contract" I'm repeatedly cutting sign of it's mentioning?,,, some kinda' extra special additional form of contract, cuz' #21 is some kinda extra special player whose properly tended mental maintenance regime, deems the necessity of additional contractual paperwork needing to be inked?,,,dudes already got his contract, and I'm of the opined view that should he be found in displeasure with it, he can crawl off& croak like a bullfrog about it till hell freezes over,as he shouldn't gotten in over his head of limited understanding by signing onto that first contract to begin with

 

[cern]

Wrong. He loses UNRESTRICTED free agency. This means he becomes a restricted free agent after his fifth year. He is still, absolutely a free agent. He may negotiate with anyone he wants. Dallas has 2 benefits of this. Firstly, they can match any contract someone gives him. He is getting a record breaking deal from this, whether dallas matches it or not. Teams would be bidding against each other like mad, never has a RB this great hit the market this young. Secondly, they can tender a pick to him. The highest possible draft pick they can tender to Zeke is a first rounder, you cannot tender multiple picks to a restricted free agent.

Therefore, the only possible way Zeke is screwed out of this arrangement if he holds out of each of the next 2 training camps is if there isn't a single team in the NFL that feels a historically great RB, not even in the prime of his career yet, is not worth trading a 1 for. All 31 teams would have the opportunity for that deal. For 25 year old Zeke? You and I both know bad teams would be lining up to hand Dallas a 1 for him. So grats on the draft pick, but Zeke isn't going to have a problem holding out past the 6th.

Thanks for the explanation. The alternative view being thrown out seemed to go against labor laws.

 

[Rockport]

Wrong. He loses UNRESTRICTED free agency. This means he becomes a restricted free agent after his fifth year. He is still, absolutely a free agent. He may negotiate with anyone he wants. Dallas has 2 benefits of this. Firstly, they can match any contract someone gives him. He is getting a record breaking deal from this, whether dallas matches it or not. Teams would be bidding against each other like mad, never has a RB this great hit the market this young. Secondly, they can tender a pick to him. The highest possible draft pick they can tender to Zeke is a first rounder, you cannot tender multiple picks to a restricted free agent.

Therefore, the only possible way Zeke is screwed out of this arrangement if he holds out of each of the next 2 training camps is if there isn't a single team in the NFL that feels a historically great RB, not even in the prime of his career yet, is not worth trading a 1 for. All 31 teams would have the opportunity for that deal. For 25 year old Zeke? You and I both know bad teams would be lining up to hand Dallas a 1 for him. So grats on the draft pick, but Zeke isn't going to have a problem holding out past the 6th.

Besides, this is doubly moot because unless relationships completely erode, you're liking franchising him after year 5 anyway.

Check the fact link I posted. I’m done with your spin.

 

[visionary]

Rockport, no offense buddy, read the thread on this topic by @Outlaw Heroes . It is very informative and clearly outlines that Zeke does not need to report this year until week 11

 

[Rockport]

So, just what is this mysterious
" contract" I'm repeatedly cutting sign of it's mentioning?,,, some kinda' extra special additional form of contract, cuz' #21 is some kinda extra special player whose properly tended mental maintenance regime, deems the necessity of additional contractual paperwork needing to be inked?,,,dudes already got his contract, and I'm of the opined view that should he be found in displeasure with it, he can crawl off& croak like a bullfrog about it till hell freezes over,as he shouldn't gotten in over his head of limited understanding by signing onto that first contract to begin with

As soon as I get my Orphan Annie secret decoder ring in the mail, I’ll have a response

 

[Rockport]

Rockport, no offense buddy, read the thread on this topic by @Outlaw Heroes . It is very informative and clearly outlines that Zeke does not need to report this year until week 11

Not arguing that, I’m just saying he loses some free agency leverage if he holds out past Aug. 6th. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Check the fact link I posted. I’m done with your spin.

Right from your link:

"If the Cowboys and Zeke cannot come to a contract extension agreement in the next two years – and he is under contract with Dallas for two more years – he would obviously want to become an unrestricted free agent at that point."

Still becomes a free agent, despite what you're trying to 'spin...' Which is a fallacy.

Again, UFA is a desirable outcome for a mid-tier player. No one is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd for a decent starter. But a transcendant player is worth a single first rounder easily. Your article makes no attempt at explaining why he'd prefer to be a UFA, probably because they don't even know why. They read the August 6th rule like everyone here and took it at face value.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Not arguing that, I’m just saying he loses some free agency leverage if he holds out past Aug. 6th. That’s all I’m saying.

You said he loses free agency altogether, right here:

He loses a year of free agency eligibility.

That's wrong. You're wrong. It feels like you're changing your argument now with the info I'm feeding you. Now you're going with the UFA route. Still, Zeke loses zero leverage. People will give up a 1 for him if he hit RFA. It's silly to think no bottom basement team would pay that with a giant smile on their face.

 

[Rockport]

Right from your link:

"If the Cowboys and Zeke cannot come to a contract extension agreement in the next two years – and he is under contract with Dallas for two more years – he would obviously want to become an unrestricted free agent at that point."

Still becomes a free agent, despite what you're trying to 'spin...' Which is a fallacy.

Again, UFA is a desirable outcome for a mid-tier player. No one is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd for a decent starter. But a transcendant player is worth a single first rounder easily. Your article makes no attempt at explaining why he'd prefer to be a UFA, probably because they don't even know why. They read the August 6th rule like everyone here and took it at face value.

Yes, but there is a BIG difference between restricted free agent and unrestricted free agent. That’s my point.