Theories on Julius

[burmafrd]

I am talking more then one play, gomer.

 

[superpunk]

Are you Juluis Jones?

Worse.

I think burm is a ND fan.

 

[ZenItRam]

The truth is that JJ is doing the job that BP wants him to the way he wants him to do it. MBIII is just in his second year of the BP coaching bludgeoning and I have a horrible feeling that we'll see MBIII doing more of what BP wants him to do next year ... which is hit the hole (even if it's not there), follow the play design, get next to no yards becasue the o-line cannot block.

JJ's style is completely an artifact of BP and his expectations of a starting RB. NOT of what JJ can do ...

 

[DTK]

I am talking more then one play, gomer.

LOL. You told me to look at the Carolina game, and I did. Now you're contradicting yourself.

 

[burmafrd]

Yeah, gomer. There were several plays that he cut and juked. I was not talking about the big gain one.

 

[superpunk]

The truth is that JJ is doing the job that BP wants him to the way he wants him to do it. MBIII is just in his second year of the BP coaching bludgeoning and I have a horrible feeling that we'll see MBIII doing more of what BP wants him to do next year ... which is hit the hole (even if it's not there), follow the play design, get next to no yards becasue the o-line cannot block.

JJ's style is completely an artifact of BP and his expectations of a starting RB. NOT of what JJ can do ...

What a load.

Bill is telling him, that even when there are gaping holes, to not get into them, rather stay on their edge and get taken down by arm tackles. ok.

He's having a decent year. We're having a decent year. But it could be better, and that's not on Parcells. Julius is missing some things, and goes down far too easy.

 

[DipChit]

I dunno about theories but I find it disconcerting at the moment. Yeah overall it's "working" cause we're winning but I'm not sure how many more 12 for 25 types from JJ we can get away with. All those carries are doing is creating "3rd and longer than you'd like".

Sure as long as Romo can convert them it's fine.. but when he cant.. like in the Saints game when he was 0-7 on 3rd down through 3 quarters, then what? Not saying in that particular game it mattered, but there'll be more days like that.. in games where the D isnt getting shredded.

Those kind of numbers you can get from *anybody* you'd hand the ball to early in games the way we are with him. Might just as well give em to Polite instead. I'm sure he could run into the pile and/or go down at first contact and average 2.5-3.0 YPC too.

It's like the only reason we use him is to lighten the load for MB.. it's certainly not to accomplish or establish anything.. uh, because it doesnt.

 

[ZenItRam]

What a load.

Bill is telling him, that even when there are gaping holes, to not get into them, rather stay on their edge and get taken down by arm tackles. ok.

He's having a decent year. We're having a decent year. But it could be better, and that's not on Parcells. Julius is missing some things, and goes down far too easy.

Have you not listened to BP say the he wants the back to do this? How many times did he tell the media in the last couple of seasons that he wants JJ to run north and south ... tack on the saftey and not string plays out. JJ progressively "lost" his cutback ability as BP coached him. You can see it as the years have gone by.

And he doesn't go down that easy, there are several time where he will push the pile ... break a tackle ... as recently as the Atlanta game. Most people that wan MBIII as a starter just watch with blinded or shaded vision because of what they WANT, not what they see.

Sure MBIII cuts back now ... just wait until he starts doing what BP tells him to do and not what he sees.

Oh, btw that 77 yard gain that JJ made was a cut outside the missed block by Flow. If he didn't do that Flo gets called for holding ...

 

[InmanRoshi]

Amazing how Curtis Martin ran for 14,000 career yards after being supposedly "taught" to hit holes that aren't there.

Genius.

 

[ZenItRam]

So, now you're comapring JJ to CM? How about MBIII to CM ... no comparison there ....

 

[burmafrd]

Just do not want to admit that BP is having JJ do things the way that BP wants him to. And with our poor run blocking the results are no suprise.

 

[DTK]

Just do not want to admit that BP is having JJ do things the way that BP wants him to. And with our poor run blocking the results are no suprise.

We're 10th in the league in rushing statistics. The blocking can't be that bad. Could it be better? Yes. Worse? Yes. But to call it poor is a stretch.

 

[aikemirv]

Amazing how Curtis Martin ran for 14,000 career yards after being supposedly "taught" to hit holes that aren't there.

Genius.

SO, you believe that all players respond to coaching the same way?

I mean, don't get me wrong here, Julius could do a better job running the ball and hit the holes better, but to say that he does not have the talent to do it is not supported by his past play. I just don't think he can get a balance between his own instincts and the coaching that he has been given.

Just like ROMO said a few weeks ago. When he hears BP talk, 75% of it just rolls off his back. I think nothing rolls off JJ's back and he is not trusting his instincts anymore.

 

[superpunk]

The run blocking is inconsistent. But they do open some monster holes now and again. One back is able to take advantage, one back isn't. And Parcells has nothing to do with that. He doesn't want his guys getting outside too fast at the second level because you allow more players back in the play. But even in Julius' great rookie season against bad defenses, he wasn't getting out - he was staying in the middle of the field and away from the sideline, which is what Parcells talked about.

Julius needs work, not Parcells.

 

[wileedog]

The truth is that JJ is doing the job that BP wants him to the way he wants him to do it. MBIII is just in his second year of the BP coaching bludgeoning and I have a horrible feeling that we'll see MBIII doing more of what BP wants him to do next year ... which is hit the hole (even if it's not there), follow the play design, get next to no yards becasue the o-line cannot block.

JJ's style is completely an artifact of BP and his expectations of a starting RB. NOT of what JJ can do ...

Yeah, it will be terrible when Barber's career goes downhill because of Bill.

You know, like when he ruined Curtis Martin.

 

[burmafrd]

Just maybe Curtis Martin was willing to defy BP and run his way as well as BP's way. Sadly, I do not think that JJ is willing to defy BP. So he will run the way BP has said time and again he wants- and take no chances and do no free lancing.

 

[DTK]

Just maybe Curtis Martin was willing to defy BP and run his way as well as BP's way. Sadly, I do not think that JJ is willing to defy BP. So he will run the way BP has said time and again he wants- and take no chances and do no free lancing.

LOL. I can see it now.

"Sorry about that coach. Didn't mean to bounce that run outside and go the distance. I knew I should have followed the play and ran right into the back of Rivera for no gain. I won't let you down next time." JJ to Parcells.

 

[wileedog]

Just maybe Curtis Martin was willing to defy BP and run his way as well as BP's way. Sadly, I do not think that JJ is willing to defy BP. So he will run the way BP has said time and again he wants- and take no chances and do no free lancing.

So your theory is that Bill coaches his RBs to run into piles, but all the very good backs he has coached in his career only succeeded because they didn't listen to him?

Are you serious?

 

[burmafrd]

DTK, I guess you missed the several times that BP chewed out MB as regards free lancing. But then I hate to dispell your fantasies. I can tell that you are getting a little hot and bothered, and I really do not like to pop peoples bubbles, so I will ignore you from now on. Have a nice day.

 

[burmafrd]

How many times has BP said he wants his backs to run where the play is designed and not to free lance. People can claim that holes are right there to be seen- but they cannot know that since they were NOT THERE AT THE TIME.